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Electra is now live on Delta Direct! All the latest #ECA updates will now be directly available on the app as well. Please download @get_delta, add $ECA to your watch list and enable push notifications to receive the latest important updates from the team.
https://twitter.com/ElectracoinECA/status/1070653986187948032
I don't know what you're talking about when you say=
"Look at Cryptopia distribution chart. You have 3 huge and recent bag holders. Just wait for them to dump on all of you"
because the top 5 has not moved for more than 6 months)
"Look at Cryptopia distribution chart. You have 3 huge and recent bag holders. Just wait for them to dump on all of you"
because the top 5 has not moved for more than 6 months)
The second and third appeared after 11/14/18
can even look at the volume on the charts
let me know when you have the contact info from the anonymous, external devs that e01 is paying - even though all devs are active in the community and easy to contact like Ruru
I don't know what you're talking about when you say=
"Look at Cryptopia distribution chart. You have 3 huge and recent bag holders. Just wait for them to dump on all of you"
because the top 5 has not moved for more than 6 months)
"Look at Cryptopia distribution chart. You have 3 huge and recent bag holders. Just wait for them to dump on all of you"
because the top 5 has not moved for more than 6 months)
You shouldn't guess LightInOut, that's what probably got you into this mess in the first place
what am i guessing? who the devs are?
no one should have to guess who they are
now they are external devs that are paid by e01 LOL
You shouldn't guess LightInOut, that's what probably got you into this mess in the first place, and in any case why are you so worried, you sold/transferred all your ECA and then tried to scam the team, and got caught out. I don't really see any point you keeping up with the charade as everyone already knows the truth.
Robert
https://i.imgur.com/nxETqwd.png
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertSB84/status/1062772082566725632
In our project the developers are close to the community, easy to reach out to and take the time to explain their views in videos like this
They are so easy to reach out to. Can you please give us their contact info? All I keep seeing is Ruru
I’d like to talk to a dev other than Ruru
Now everything is external and anonymous
But all devs are close to the community and easy to reach out to!
JUST CANT TALK TO THE DEVS E01 HAS HIRED TO WORK ON PHASE 2 OF THE FORK - the most important part of the project
LOL what a joke
https://i.imgur.com/nxETqwd.png
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertSB84/status/1062772082566725632
In our project the developers are close to the community, easy to reach out to and take the time to explain their views in videos like this
They are so easy to reach out to. Can you please give us their contact info? All I keep seeing is Ruru
I’d like to talk to a dev other than Ruru
Now everything is external and anonymous
But all devs are close to the community and easy to reach out to!
JUST CANT TALK TO THE DEVS E01 HAS HIRED TO WORK ON PHASE 2 OF THE FORK - the most important part of the project
LOL what a joke
What makes you think that the devs will give you their identity or contact info if their decision is to stay anonymous. This is crypto, in the end and the main reason that we all are here now, anonymity.
Electra is supposed to be a community project. Robert keep saying they have all these teams but there are no active devs in telegram or discord, just Ruru. You can be anonymous but at least engage with the community.
Now he is saying they have external devs working on the blockchain. Guess Electra isn’t a community project anymore! Why? No one wants to volunteer for this project. Look at Ruru requesting money. This project won’t last if they need to keep paying people and expenses. There was no ico and the bonanza people don’t care. Or people donate eca which is then sold onto the community for btc funding - ouch!!!
Why won’t robert make a tweet saying their team is all external and paid for? Instead he makes it look like they are part of this community project. That is not transparent
Look at Cryptopia distribution chart. You have 3 huge and recent bag holders. Just wait for them to dump on all of you
Based on the listing at Coindeal ( with our agreement) , there was a contest for top10 traders and prize distribution. Coindeal listing was free of charge based on a voting and we won it. Now, we must distribute the prizes to following ECA wallets from the foundation wallet:
1- ES6aETGvHeRbzhcnbpoJiQpndaMYVUMzQU : 500000 ECA
2- EMy83p7NDqTVhaUDHVJsxyXzCGK4Zb2rye : 250000 ECA
3- EJNMWtDUKqxjWdYJoFwMvec9Qdxy67mB9w : 130000 ECA
4-
5- ELbG5KvYfcLFgYPjbgnCvLmtEZ5ZAeWEQc : 26000 ECA
6- Ecg2PCe7Q5NKB8aFTTvF1sWT3Met1NZoYT : 14000 ECA
7-
8-
9- EXPTBKYJrSnD1GnipwKXsbuX7hU7aqjDbF : 3000 ECA
10 - Ec292t3QuVfm1aFwJVKMR9eKeUXJB9a5hq : 2000 ECA
4th,7th and 8th places still need to send their ECA wallet addresses. Once they provide their wallet addresses, payments will be as below :
4- 60000 ECA // 7- 10000 ECA // 8- 5000 ECA
With Regards, Bob van Egeraat
1- ES6aETGvHeRbzhcnbpoJiQpndaMYVUMzQU : 500000 ECA
2- EMy83p7NDqTVhaUDHVJsxyXzCGK4Zb2rye : 250000 ECA
3- EJNMWtDUKqxjWdYJoFwMvec9Qdxy67mB9w : 130000 ECA
4-
5- ELbG5KvYfcLFgYPjbgnCvLmtEZ5ZAeWEQc : 26000 ECA
6- Ecg2PCe7Q5NKB8aFTTvF1sWT3Met1NZoYT : 14000 ECA
7-
8-
9- EXPTBKYJrSnD1GnipwKXsbuX7hU7aqjDbF : 3000 ECA
10 - Ec292t3QuVfm1aFwJVKMR9eKeUXJB9a5hq : 2000 ECA
4th,7th and 8th places still need to send their ECA wallet addresses. Once they provide their wallet addresses, payments will be as below :
4- 60000 ECA // 7- 10000 ECA // 8- 5000 ECA
With Regards, Bob van Egeraat
I still cannot get over the fact that the developers are not doing anything about the fake volume on FATBTC
WHEN PEOPLE SEE FAKE VOLUME ITS A RED FLAG
DEVELOPERS WAKE UP ALREADY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
WHEN PEOPLE SEE FAKE VOLUME ITS A RED FLAG
DEVELOPERS WAKE UP ALREADY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
There are no developers! Go into any project and you will see developers talking and giving updates to the community.
Electra only has Ruru?
unbelievable! Ask them for the contact or names of others. then also see how fast you get banned or they tell you to talk to Ruru.I dont want to talk to Ruru!
They want to release atomic swaps, mobile wallets, electrapay and all this stuff in December but I can only talk to Ruru? what kind of a community project is this?
wake up people
I don't know if the project is now dormant or not, but I know that a couple of months earlier I have joined their Discord and I saw a lot of activity in there. Maybe they are working behind the scenes, as many core devs don't have time to talk to the community also, they have a Community Manager for this. Or maybe I am wrong and you are right I don't know what really happens inside the project, but the best thing to do is to join their Discord channel and talk to people in there about the development of the project and ask for any info that you are interested in.
All you are doing now, here, is to spread FUD and maybe the project doesn't deserve it.
Why the FUD is bad for a project when is moving slowly or the price is down? Well, because the investors will come in here and read about it, so with FUD you only can make things worst. Just my 2 cents..
Cheers G
I’ve asked Robert, Ruru, Aman and “MasterDen” to provide the contact info of other team developers, besides Ruru. They never give me an answer! their discord is full of people trying to get access to a rain room so they can collect eca then sell it for being active. 99% write stupid robotic comments and talk to themselves to remain active. Again, go look yourself. Nothing like it was months ago with a real community.
Ask the core team yourself and see what they say. I know plenty of devs in other projects that are at have a role on discord. They say they have a team or devs but are they not a part of the community?
Lastly their community project manager is Ruru? There was a tweet that said an Electra c++ dev finished something. Please tell us who that dev is cause I have a lot of questions for them. I’ve never seen any devs in discord or telegram. Don’t give us the bs that they are too busy coding or don’t have the time to talk. That will just show their priorities are not towards the community
It’s not fud when it’s true. Ask them yourself
OK, first of all note that I am not holding any ECA (I had some in the past) so I am not holding their part nor I am paid for any comment by ECA team.
Second I want to apologies as I have not explained what FUD is; FUD = fear, uncertainty and doubt;
You fear that the project will fail because they delay the development, well... don't be! This is common in crypto, there are big project like Ethereum with a lot of developers and contributors which is delaying the switch from PoW to PoS for almost a year now. Tezos have delayed the launch of the mainnet more than 6 months with 32 developers. Biggest project outside can't sometimes keep up with the development.
As for the ECA funding... well if they have sold half of the premine at, let's say, 20 sats they would have made 100 BTC so they have a lot of money for development.
Still waiting for the contact info of the 3 devs and external devs that are working on literally everything that’s supposed to be released in December. Saying they are anonymous is not an answer.
It’s great to see so many people join in on this discussion
It’s great to see so many people join in on this discussion
What makes you think that the devs will give you their identity or contact info if their decision is to stay anonymous. This is crypto, in the end and the main reason that we all are here now, anonymity.
you didn't understand...
$ 800 represents only AWS rental charges (amazon server, shearch google :AWS) to run large programs such as electrapay. This does not pay developers who work voluntarily.
$ 800 represents only AWS rental charges (amazon server, shearch google :AWS) to run large programs such as electrapay. This does not pay developers who work voluntarily.
Apparently The “external dev team” is being paid by e01
Ruru also has to pay for her expenses. This means her voluntary efforts are now costing her time AND money.
I’m starting to wonder if Ruru is 100% voluntary or if she’s getting paid. She’s been part of this project for over a year and is starting to ask for money. That’s not a good sign
you didn't understand...
$ 800 represents only AWS rental charges (amazon server, shearch google :AWS) to run large programs such as electrapay. This does not pay developers who work voluntarily.
$ 800 represents only AWS rental charges (amazon server, shearch google :AWS) to run large programs such as electrapay. This does not pay developers who work voluntarily.
I don’t need your donations or sympathy.
NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO THESE EXTERNAL DEVS ARE THAT ARE WORKING ON THE ELECTRA BLOCKCHAIN
I find this hilarious. Fork Phase 2 can have so many bugs and you will all have to continue donating to other devs to finish the project. It starts with $800 but let’s see how long Ruru stays with Electra if that’s truly a crazy expense for her. Guess time will tell!
NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO THESE EXTERNAL DEVS ARE THAT ARE WORKING ON THE ELECTRA BLOCKCHAIN
I find this hilarious. Fork Phase 2 can have so many bugs and you will all have to continue donating to other devs to finish the project. It starts with $800 but let’s see how long Ruru stays with Electra if that’s truly a crazy expense for her. Guess time will tell!
I don't think I remember seeing on here, such a bitter person as LightInOut. Dude, it's time to drop it now, you are just making a fool of yourself, everyone can see what you are trying to do, it's not even subtle anymore, as at the start of this Thread where you at least tried to subtly lay down the fud, it was only a matter of time before you were outed as Botero and you speak about being transparent Hypocrite.
Hypocrite.
I’d rather watch everyone give their eca and watch her dump it back onto her own community
E01 should be giving her that little $800
That’s just the start. Wait till more expenses show up
E01 should be giving her that little $800
That’s just the start. Wait till more expenses show up
if you are afraid that 800$ kill the project you can send here = you can contribute via PayPal here [email protected]
Still waiting for the contact info of the 3 devs and external devs that are working on literally everything that’s supposed to be released in December. Saying they are anonymous is not an answer.
If something goes wrong then the core team or Ruru is going to start asking for donations again to pay another dev to fix the issues. Who will then take that eca and sell it back onto the very same community that donated it
Will Ruru hold onto the eca donations sent to her for a specific time? Or will she sell it immediately? I’m sure the community would like an answer to that one. They can adjust their buy walls to help her sell off
It’s great to see so many people join in on this discussion
If something goes wrong then the core team or Ruru is going to start asking for donations again to pay another dev to fix the issues. Who will then take that eca and sell it back onto the very same community that donated it
Will Ruru hold onto the eca donations sent to her for a specific time? Or will she sell it immediately? I’m sure the community would like an answer to that one. They can adjust their buy walls to help her sell off
It’s great to see so many people join in on this discussion
There’s a new thing called KYD - Know Your Developer
Apparently the Electra team does not want to tell us who their developers are.
I’m glad you at least admit that you’re using EXTERNAL devs. Why did it take so many months for the team to finally hire someone? There is no admitting here. It was said many many times in the past year that E01 works with his own team next to the Electra community team. Fork phase 1 was partially developed by external devs Can you give us their contact info or the name of the company you’re using They choose to be anonymous. Just like yourself, E01 and many others in crypto? No reason to be anonymous if they are a legit company. Investors should know who is working on the project. Electra is a currency. Holding the coin doesn't mean you can hold the project accountable. In fact, you can choose to develop and code including keeping your anonimity. In fact, you even invested in ECA while knowing E01 was the dev. Therefore I consider your points as contradictions.
I’m sure the Electra Foundation will have to disclose where money is spent? Let’s start now. Or are we going to say e01 payments are different? Sometimes the foundation pays and sometimes e01 pays for anonymous stuff?
Correct. The foundation is setup and will have an own page on the new website that is currently being finished. All expenses, that can be tracked through the electra explorer, will be visible in due course to the community and will be backed by reasons why they needed to be spent. As msyelf, Bob and Raymond are volunteering and have our own jobs this takes more time. Next week 14 December in fact we will have our first official quarterly board meeting.
Electra is a community project, yet no one wants to volunteer. Do you all expect e01 to continue paying for everything? You already have Ruru asking the community for money to cover vps expenses. Why doesn’t e01 cover her expenses? Many people volunteer or have volunteered. What you typically see is that in this bearish market the interest oif volunteering fades away. Not only in our project but also in other projects. E01 pays for the things he commits himself to or when he believes he needs to be paid. For Ruru we decided to ask the community to donate. Unfortunately she made a mistake that cost money and Im sure we will get the money together soon. Did you already donate?
Robert - You are the most honest and respected person on Electra team. Thank you! Why do I now see you involved in so many different telegram projects? Also clearly investing in some of them. You used to be 100% Electra. Seeing you investing and being part of other groups makes people question your dedication. This sentence is full of assumptions and therefore not reliable. My main investment is ECA and ECA is the only project I work (volunteer) for. I'm in a lot of groups active to look for business opportunities, to spread the ECA news and to meet new and interesting people. Also I do invest in projects I think have great potential and when I believe there is a way we can work together with these projects Im going for it. If people question my dedication and honestly, I don't care. I know I am dedicated and love to work for the project. If people believe they can do a better job I welcome them as we need as many dedicated people as possible.
How much Electra do you even own? This is not a respectful question and also not relevant. I bought my ECA as of december last year all the way through this year. I’m sure you will have to disclose this information if you’re part of the foundation. Just like stocks of a company, the investors and public should know how many shares you have. Again, ECA is no company, ECA are not stocks and therefore people who buy ECA are not investors into the project with certain rights just like people who own company stocks. People should buy ECA if they believe in the project and the future usecase of ECA. If you don't believe any longer in the project and/or the people working on it, you should sell and move on.
To wrap this up. I (and with me all community members that volunteered to work on the project, do this with a clean conscience , with a passion for crypto and in particular ECA. I know you're hurt "Botero", because you lost 160mln ECA due to a terrible fault on your end. You choose this path to blackmail the project and I can't do anything about that. What I can tell everybody that reads this piece is that in case of doubts or questions you can always reach out to me or any other team member on Discord or Telegram and we will explain and answer anything as far as possible.
We continue to work hard and always look for new people to join. As you see people get nervous, impatient and sometimes disappointed by the pace of the developments visible for the community. Yet do know that as long as the community and the team is active, the project progresses.
Robert
Apparently the Electra team does not want to tell us who their developers are.
I’m glad you at least admit that you’re using EXTERNAL devs. Why did it take so many months for the team to finally hire someone? There is no admitting here. It was said many many times in the past year that E01 works with his own team next to the Electra community team. Fork phase 1 was partially developed by external devs Can you give us their contact info or the name of the company you’re using They choose to be anonymous. Just like yourself, E01 and many others in crypto? No reason to be anonymous if they are a legit company. Investors should know who is working on the project. Electra is a currency. Holding the coin doesn't mean you can hold the project accountable. In fact, you can choose to develop and code including keeping your anonimity. In fact, you even invested in ECA while knowing E01 was the dev. Therefore I consider your points as contradictions.
I’m sure the Electra Foundation will have to disclose where money is spent? Let’s start now. Or are we going to say e01 payments are different? Sometimes the foundation pays and sometimes e01 pays for anonymous stuff?
Correct. The foundation is setup and will have an own page on the new website that is currently being finished. All expenses, that can be tracked through the electra explorer, will be visible in due course to the community and will be backed by reasons why they needed to be spent. As msyelf, Bob and Raymond are volunteering and have our own jobs this takes more time. Next week 14 December in fact we will have our first official quarterly board meeting.
Electra is a community project, yet no one wants to volunteer. Do you all expect e01 to continue paying for everything? You already have Ruru asking the community for money to cover vps expenses. Why doesn’t e01 cover her expenses? Many people volunteer or have volunteered. What you typically see is that in this bearish market the interest oif volunteering fades away. Not only in our project but also in other projects. E01 pays for the things he commits himself to or when he believes he needs to be paid. For Ruru we decided to ask the community to donate. Unfortunately she made a mistake that cost money and Im sure we will get the money together soon. Did you already donate?
Robert - You are the most honest and respected person on Electra team. Thank you! Why do I now see you involved in so many different telegram projects? Also clearly investing in some of them. You used to be 100% Electra. Seeing you investing and being part of other groups makes people question your dedication. This sentence is full of assumptions and therefore not reliable. My main investment is ECA and ECA is the only project I work (volunteer) for. I'm in a lot of groups active to look for business opportunities, to spread the ECA news and to meet new and interesting people. Also I do invest in projects I think have great potential and when I believe there is a way we can work together with these projects Im going for it. If people question my dedication and honestly, I don't care. I know I am dedicated and love to work for the project. If people believe they can do a better job I welcome them as we need as many dedicated people as possible.
How much Electra do you even own? This is not a respectful question and also not relevant. I bought my ECA as of december last year all the way through this year. I’m sure you will have to disclose this information if you’re part of the foundation. Just like stocks of a company, the investors and public should know how many shares you have. Again, ECA is no company, ECA are not stocks and therefore people who buy ECA are not investors into the project with certain rights just like people who own company stocks. People should buy ECA if they believe in the project and the future usecase of ECA. If you don't believe any longer in the project and/or the people working on it, you should sell and move on.
To wrap this up. I (and with me all community members that volunteered to work on the project, do this with a clean conscience , with a passion for crypto and in particular ECA. I know you're hurt "Botero", because you lost 160mln ECA due to a terrible fault on your end. You choose this path to blackmail the project and I can't do anything about that. What I can tell everybody that reads this piece is that in case of doubts or questions you can always reach out to me or any other team member on Discord or Telegram and we will explain and answer anything as far as possible.
We continue to work hard and always look for new people to join. As you see people get nervous, impatient and sometimes disappointed by the pace of the developments visible for the community. Yet do know that as long as the community and the team is active, the project progresses.
Robert
1. Please tell us how you see Electra partnering with DarkPay coin, an anonymous crypto project that doesn’t even have a team page. Do you know who is on their team? I see you active in there and buying. Why not buy more Electra?We are not partnering with DKPC? Im in their group to see how they conduct community voting through masternodes. An interesting concept from which we could benefit.
2. You are saying Electra is a currency not a company. But the foundation is a legal entity or company. You should discuss this with the other board members next week. Investors will want to know how much Electra Foundation board members have. I know I do!
Foundation is a legal entity but in no way we should disclose how much we have. If it was relevant we would have been advised by the lawfirm guiding us through the process of the setup. It is irrelevant for the project or the foundation. The foundation and its funds are protected under dutch law.
3. Ruru needs money to cover vps expenses. You are asking the community to cover that with ECA. She needs money. This means the community will donate Eca to Ruru and she will go sell it on an exchange to liquidate it to pay for bills. The community donates to hurt their own price. PLEASE ANSWER WHY E01 DOESNT PAY HER? He doesn't have to and besides it's a bit hard to reach him now when he is on duty for the military.
4. I don’t want the community to donate Electra to me. If they did then it would get sold back to them. This is a flawed project and will not last. You cannot continue paying for work by community donations.
Your suggestion to to fork extra 160 million to compensate you while it's clear you made a mistake in loosing the funds is the worst possible solution. the other solution is you reach out to the community and ask them to donate to you. If you feel your case is strong Im sure everyone in the community wants to donate to compensate you.
5. Will we see another post like below one day
Example 1
we want to get on another exchange. Please help us collect $50,000 in eca which we then sell back onto community because exchange wants btc
Example 2
There is a problem with atomic swaps. We need to hire dev for $10,000 to fix it. Please donate eca so we can have it fixed since no dev on team can do it
Your project devs and e01 directly dumps on and hurts own community
I see you are frustrated and therefore making assumptions and false accusations. I can't take that away. I'm sorry for your loss and I hope you're able to move on soon.
do you know that you have the answers on this topic?
It seems that you didn't do enough research.....
It seems that you didn't do enough research.....
Where? Robert says they are anonymous. That is the answer?
The Electra Foundation is hiring anonymous developers. So much for transparency and community efforts!
You apparently know who the 3 devs and external blockchain people are. Can you just tell us?
That would really give me and everyone reading this the answers to this topic
Crypto = Hiding ( in definition ) . If you don't know, go and learn. Secondly, the team is transparent even this is not a must under "cryptology" definition.
And once again. Electra is NOT a company. Electra was NOT an ICO. And it is been more then 1.5 years until today.
The Electra Foundation is a company and has a board of directors
Board of directors should disclose their holdings.
Why should I or anyone trust a company who has board members that do not disclose there interest?
At least we will know all of there names as THAT should be public.
1- Electra is a community project
2- Electra Foundation is not a company ( go and educate yourself - read some information - make some research - check the Dutch law about foundation )
Electra foundation board members are responsible against Dutch laws and the funds which are received to Official Foundation Account
Electra foundation members are visible and not hiding themselves like YOU !!
3- If you can't realize the differences, nothing to say you further.
This crypto space really needs more educated and honest people for its future. Cleanup will hapen one day but it seems it will take more then expected !!
The foundation is not a legal entity? Then what is the purpose of having board members? Just elected friends hanging out and talking about what to do with 300m eca premine? Which was not even received yet!
Boy listen,
Foundation :
A foundation (also a charitable foundation) is a legal category of nonprofit organization that will typically either donate funds and support to other organizations, or provide the source of funding for its own charitable purposes.
Company :
A company, abbreviated as co., is a legal entity made up of an association of people, be they natural, legal, or a mixture of both, for carrying on a commercial or industrial enterprise
** I said "ELECTRA FOUNDATION is NOT a COMPANY" . Foundation / Company , both are fully different entities.
You don't read, you don't want to read, you have different intentions which is clear and we all know this. This is also my last message and can't waste my time to take you serious.
Good luck !!!
do you know that you have the answers on this topic?
It seems that you didn't do enough research.....
It seems that you didn't do enough research.....
Where? Robert says they are anonymous. That is the answer?
The Electra Foundation is hiring anonymous developers. So much for transparency and community efforts!
You apparently know who the 3 devs and external blockchain people are. Can you just tell us?
That would really give me and everyone reading this the answers to this topic
Crypto = Hiding ( in definition ) . If you don't know, go and learn. Secondly, the team is transparent even this is not a must under "cryptology" definition.
And once again. Electra is NOT a company. Electra was NOT an ICO. And it is been more then 1.5 years until today.
The Electra Foundation is a company and has a board of directors
Board of directors should disclose their holdings.
Why should I or anyone trust a company who has board members that do not disclose there interest?
At least we will know all of there names as THAT should be public.
1- Electra is a community project
2- Electra Foundation is not a company ( go and educate yourself - read some information - make some research - check the Dutch law about foundation )
Electra foundation board members are responsible against Dutch laws and the funds which are received to Official Foundation Account
Electra foundation members are visible and not hiding themselves like YOU !!
3- If you can't realize the differences, nothing to say you further.
This crypto space really needs more educated and honest people for its future. Cleanup will hapen one day but it seems it will take more then expected !!
The foundation is not a legal entity? Then what is the purpose of having board members? Just elected friends hanging out and talking about what to do with 300m eca premine? Which was not even received yet!
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