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come with your original ID....grow some balls and dont come as newbie....dont FUD unnecessarily....evry coin is bleeding...in comparison to that ECA is standing tall...team is working hard...

I know what you feel brother, I invested at a peak in other project and I am in the same situation. Unfortunately you can't do nothing about it, the only thing you can do is waiting because if you don't sell you don't loose anything. Another thing is to remember: don't invest what you can't affort to lose.

FUD...Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Yes, I definitely have all 3. I invested a lot (at least to me) in this project. I was led to believe it was a community coin, and that I'd at least be able to ask questions and have input, along with voting rights. What I see instead is a community falling apart, key people quitting, and any questions meet with banning or being accused of funding.
My questions shouldn't be hard to answer. Maybe it's not important to you that the supply is going to run out and they apparently don't have any idea how they're going to deal with it, but as an investor it matters to me. Any day now they could announce a decision that could dump the price. That matters to me.
Key team members leaving in droves all of a sudden matters to me. There's something wrong, and they're hiding it.
The founder who's supposedly not the "owner" keeping 100% of company profits after claiming to only be staking to cover $1000 matters to me.
I, unfortunately, bought high, so don't have the luxury of just dumping my holdings. I do however remember reading that this is a community coin. My questions deserve to be answered, and I deserve to have my vote counted on the direction ECA takes, as its stated in the white paper.
We all do.
It's time more of us investors stood up and demanded our rights. Our right to vote, our right to have a say, a right to have our questions answered.
Not ridiculed or accused of spreading FUD because we're asking questions.

About the same as how much you charge for your fud LOL.

Same reason why a boy with a new name fuds this thread constantly. Anger? Empty pockets? Who knows.

Don't let the hype fool you. The community has no say at all in anything that's done. Why do you think nobody, not even core members, can tell you what's going to be done about the supply shortage? They have to wait for E01.... The owner in every sense of the word. He has all the assets, he gets all the income from the assets, he has final say.... He's the owner.

In my opinion, the Electra community's rejection of the CEO and the Central body is a very bold and original decision,and the fact that decisions are made by the community collectively and always in the interests of the community is very progressive.

Wonder why a guy with name "COLXpls" is fudding so much about Electra  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Electra Project Back End Updates: July 2018

ECA incredibly pleased to announce that one of our original developers, Scibot, is returning. Welcome back, Scibot!

Read more: https://www.reddit.com/r/Electra_Currency/comments/933ocf/electra_project_back_end_updates_july_2018/

I don't take it personal but I do stand for the project where none of the current team members have bad intentions as you suggest.

I have no clue who you are since you keep yourself anonymous, therefore I cant verify if we ever had contact or not. But that’s OK.

Maverick did leave for personal reasons and he can even return as soon as they have been resolved. I have called him many times in the past weeks and had intensive contact in the past days. The fact you state he didn’t leave for personal reasons tells me you have no relationship with him nor ever talked to him 1-1, yet you state it firmly which makes your posts less credible as it’s simply not true.

ECA Mom and Ryu left because they don't agree with the power E01 still have from a developer perspective in the project as well as the control on the premine which is understandable. These kind of projects stand or fall with trust. As long as I believe and trust the good intentions of E01 (I have no reasons to doubt) I will stay. But I can imagine when you loose your confidence you leave the project. You di dforget to mention that Ryu and ECA Mom are still active as member in the project? Ryu is doing an awesome job in helping the community in answering questions. Cryptolife wasn't very active so never had any chat with him.  and Ivan also was not very active so didn’t talk to him a lot in the past months and has his own ambitions to achieve his life goals/dreams. Chat with them to understand.

Based on these conversations I wouldn’t describe “the both of us as honest people” since I noticed you only post one-sided and incomplete stories. If that’s on purpose, it’s being dishonest. If you believe you speak the truth in making the comments then I can’t blame you for being not fully aware or informed.
In the ECA influencers group I can’t recall a day where we said to make ECA 1 EUR and I find it typical you try to throw these statements to me in a way the reader even may think its true. I (and everyone in the team) have the strict rule to not focus on price in terms of predicting. Price can never be predicted or set as goal as it is dependent on many ingredients from which many can’t be controlled.

I would like to inform everyone reading this thread that the person Im responding to, who refuses to identify himself, clearly has grudges to the project or feels not respected in the past. A lot of statements or theories he or she writes are either taken out of context or untrue. I can tell from the posts that his person was not directly involved in the coordinators team but watched it from the outside and that’s okay. I’d like to challenge everyone to use common sense, do their own research and by all means verify information directly at the source.

Master Den, Bob (The Revolution), Asmoth, myself, and more are working for the project many hours a day where most of us have still fulltime jobs. We wouldn’t do this if we didn’t believe the project has a future. Did you know Master Den spends 10 hours a day for already a year on this project for free where he gets regular offers to join other projects as community manager for serious amounts of money a year?

Yes we have quite some bumps in the road to overcome and these are discussed a lot of times in the teams and community. Yes in the young team that we are we also have internal struggles between people. Just imagine, trying to setup and run a project with people from all over the world that don’t know eachother, work together only through mailing and having calls. Some people came with different intentions then others.
What I see now is that the current team has a big passion for the Electra project and it’s community to play a significant role in the crypto/blockchain revolution all projects are currently being part of.

Again… yes we all have our bag of ECA. Some were able to buy very soon and have big bags, some have smaller bags bought at later stages (such as myself). If I may speak for myself.. I made my crypto portfolio exist for 90% out of ECA to keep myself sharp and motivated to keep on going for the project.

You may disagree with what you see or hear in regards to the projects direction but don’t disrespect he people that are working hard, voluntary, next to their jobs with the best intentions. Yes, sometimes there are community members or even supporting team members that don’t behave and have corrupt intentions, but those are being dealt with right away.
As far as you concerned Mr. Colx, I have no idea who you are and when we ever discussed stuff. I understand you became disappointed or perhaps hurt within the team. If I was a reason for it or some of the coreteam members I want to apologize for that. Again I want to invite you for a discussion or q&a and that doesn’t need to be in public perse.
If you don’t want this then I think it’s pointless to continue because the conversation would become very one sided where you post incomplete comments placed out of context, me countering them leaving the public in confusion what to believe.

Take care and all the best,
Robert

Strange that you would take this personally, and yet again dismiss this as negativity. Do you have some undisclosed control over the project that we have not yet discussed? You and I have been in the back end and "ECA Influencers" telegram group for quite a while We both know eachother well, and we both know that personal reasons aren't why Maverick, ECA Mom, Ryu, Ivan and CryptoLife left the project.

Consumers don't blindly spread FUD - They ask questions. FUD is false information, and you know full well that what I'm saying is not false.
When investors are given vague responses that are engineered to divert attention or confuse for 2 months at a time they become frustrated. A prime example is your clear attempts to dismiss me as a "keyboard warrior", and redirect peoples attention to me rather than giving answers about Electra.

Remember that day when we described ourselves in ECA Influencers as "A group of people who have a hard on for getting ECA to $1"? Let's not bullshit anyone on this thread - we're both honest individuals and should keep it that way. All conversations that display a direct conflict of interest were saved, just in case something like our current internal issues were to ignite.

- Price manipulation
- Buying false social media followers, comments and likes to assert influence over other projects consumer bases
- Coordinated hype in the lead up to announcements
- Back-end conflicts

 
  The list goes on.

I will object to your proposition of a Q&A as the last one we coordinated with Aykut on Youtube was pointless and I know any adequate responses would be considered a conflict of interest. Aykut gave the exact same vague answers to our questions with only an emphasis of it's a good community coin.

See last failed interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQWWP17TYns&t=77s

We don't need words we need action.

Hello anonymous keyboard warrior. Why don't you let me and the people here know what you actually like? And it doesn't need to be ECA (I dont expect that from you). I assume, by looking at your name, your project's logo is green? Eitherway, I commented where I could on your incredibly short sighted comments, a weak attempt to convince people why ECA is the worst project you can possibly imagine.

Again, perhaps we can do a live Q&A online where you have the possiblity to fire anything at me and for me the noble task to counter all you fire with facts.

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It appears that the team is simply dismissing this as FUD/negativity. Reality check: There would be no negativity if there was competency. (you are the negative one here )
Regardless of how you attempt to paint this picture, the facts remain that the people in this project are still spreading misinformation about it in an attempt to prevent more cumulative losses from occurring. (what misinformation?)

We are constantly told "the fork is ready" and that "The Electra Foundation would take 3-5 days to set up" (please show me where its asid. I told the community this week that the lawyer adviced 5 days when we submit the forms) . Well, why are we taking so long to implement both of these measures? It's like waiting for winter to arrive on Game of Thrones. Might I remind everyone that the initial founder is to receive all the staking rewards, which is closing in on 400M ECA now. (discussed it before)

Staff tell us the project is doing great, but nothing has changed since December except for the new adoption of this garbage unprofessional approach to marketing. Attempting to hype and sexualize a financial product with blonde bimbos lacking any kind of cryptographic literacy is terrible at best. Why on Earth would anybody put money into that? How does this provide incentive to use Electra as an every day currency, or have we now switched our target audience from every day families to college frat boys? (we are now 7 months underway my friend and in a bear market. We are doing great if you see where we are coming from (and Im not talking about price!! ) )

We should not be sending people like Cassandra Hawkins (Electra Spirit) to institutional blockchain meetups. She has a degree in homeopathy and fitness ffs. (Somebody from the team works in swimmingpool industry, We have people working in drywalling industry, I work as banking consultant, We have students, Mav is in real estate, etc. etc. And you know what? We are all passionate about the project and know a lot about he subject matter where some are maybe more technically savvy then the others)


- Stake reduction delay (no deadline set)
- Foundation delay (no deadline set)
- Funds still not moved into multisig wallet (what funds?)
- Original core team silent - Github activity stalling (Some activities we dont disclose in the open on Github to ensure it remains hidden for competitors)
- Founder keeps all staking rewards (no, E01 is also hedging ECA with other crypto)
- Overseers Ryu, VergeLife, Eca Giraffe and Zarag gone (3/4 moving onto new projects)    (Maverick joined, Ruru joined, Robert Bakker joined - Ryu is till with the project but not in the team, Zarag same)
- Team opening bot party chat for sponges (serious?)
- Team offering their consumers money to win exchange votes (
- Price per unit below 10 satoshis (yes )
- False ATM announcements (why false?)
- Openly shilling Aircoins, Unifox and other vaporware (ICO) products in chat (its not shilling, its talking positive about partner projects)

Where do you see this going? (a purple future)
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I see a lot of negative and bitter comments from your side in this ECA thread Mr. Colx.

I am able to counter every "concern" you're raising but first I think everyone should understand here that the comments you post are not coming from a constructive mindset. Happy to enter in a conversation or discussion with you if you want.

Let me tackle all points you raised below.

1. The ATM Manunfacturer UniFox already has capital and working ATM's. They need to raise additional capital to expand as they have huge goals set for themselves. As you may have seen, they met with the American Blockchain Association a couple of weeks ago to discuss possible cooperation for installing 50k ATM's that the association is planning to plant in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxijjeMKQHk&t=1s

2. As you know, but not explain below, the fork wasn't planned on the roadmap. Only the atomic swap integration. As the devs concluded we need to change the staking algo as well as improve the chain, it was decided to plan the fork. As you know, but not explain here, E01 is working hard on coding the fork and unfortunately had to delay the fork from happening last month. 3 weeks ago E01 confirmed the fork would happen in 4 to 8 weeks. Any releases from the roadmap can only be released after the fork as we want to avoid duplication of efforts. The bigger partnerships with real companies, willing to accept ECA sa payment method, we have been working on and are working on behind the scenes will only be released after our product ElectraPay is released. And for ElectraPay... right... we need the fork to happen first.

3. Aykut and the team don't focus on price correct. We believe that a good usecase, a solid product and an engaged community will result in a good price. So... the price is not the aim, its a result. As we are all volunteers, our incentive is of course eventual price increase as a result of us doing our job good. If we see another bull market as in end 2017 we know that thousands if not millions of people will enter the crypto space and of course we hope to lure them into the Electra community. To buy Electra, become active as community member and of course spend their ECA at shops where it's accepted (usecase). The effect achieving the above by announcing all we have in a bear market will be way less then in a bull market. AS such not everything will be released right away. And you know what? If you hang out in the community, the vast majority understands and agrees.

4.It is correct that the premine is staking and that is a choice E01 made. For the investors, big or small, its their own right to choose. At this moment I am working personally on setting up the foundation which I expect to happen in august. Once the foundation is set and the first portion of the premine is deposited (300-400mln), the foundation will not stake that part of the premine.
Also bear in mind that ECA is a POS coin and therefore has no hardcap. Once the fork happened the staking percentage will drastically decrease immediately and all years after.

Eitherway, I admire you put so much effort and time in looking into Electra. I'd encourage you to investigate more and be complete in your comments about the project. My second advice is to spend all your enrgy and time on positive things in life. It gives you more joy and satisfaction, I promise you that!

All the best,
Robert

Great Aman.... Then you obviously must know the answer to why E01 is still staking the premine. The $1000 capital expenditures he claimed to be staking to cover  were covered almost a year ago. He keeps all the stakes personally, and he was in charge of the fork. You don't find it a direct conflict of interest that he personally is making thousands of dollars a day in staking rewards by delaying the fork?
Read back for 2 pages... What you call FUD are very real questions and concerns that you are personally refusing to answer. Why won't you answer real questions?
You give the same disrespect to everyone that even dares to ask questions, and accuse everyone of spreading fud when they just want answers. Difference in here is you can't ban anyone, which is what you do to everyone in Telegram and Discord who even dares to ask a question.
The supply is 100% going to run out before the end of 2019. This is math, not FUD. But you expect everyone is just going to ignore it because you don't want to talk about it. When exactly is the core team going to acknowledge this? How are they going to handle it? Are they increasing the supply? Lowering the staking? If they lower staking, it's going to have to go to next to nothing. And then what about masternodes? How are they going to pay masternodes anything when there's no supply? We're just supposed to invest or hard earned $ into a coin and "trust" that the team will magically fix it. The team that's lost THREE core members in 2 weeks, (Mom, Ryu, and Ivan), plus other important, long term team members like Crypto Life, Maverick, and Zarag.  I thought we were a community coin? I thought there was supposed to be transparency? Whatever is going on is a complete cover up, from E01 continuing to stake almost a year after he recouped his $1000, to the amount he's actually staking (over 2 billion coins), to the maybe change that HAS to come because of supply, to why about half of your key team members has quit in the last 2 weeks.
Aman, I hold you personally responsible for out and out lying to the community, bullying and banning people who try to find out the truth, and continuing to mislead everyone on what's going on. You're hurting tens of thousands of people who are invested in this. People with families to support, kids, school, mortgages... But you don't even care. Your only concern is keeping ECA going, no matter how many people your hurting or how many lies you have to tell.
The only team members I respect are the ones who've left.
At least they're answering the questions honestly when I DM then.

It's ridiculous ... Aykut went 1 week on holidays and came back today ...

I am not against the negative opinions but hey I prefer not to answer when I see the critics since the beginning of the project.
Yet there has never been a real reason for FUD electra01 in 1 year and a half.

First paid shill comment started here







Poor business practice.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣.... This is so sad and obvious. Hope ECA team isn't paying too much for this crap. Every post that asks a real question or brings up a valid point is followed by amazingly similar comments in horrible English.

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Paid shill of the project by a non English speaker in 3, 2, 1....

Every member that left within the same month said it was for personal reasons. I'm calling bullshit now - Nobody would announce problems about the project after departing. It's just not realistic to expect anyone to do that. Ivan, one of the core blockchain developers, has left and even Aykut has gone on holiday. Key members have departed from the project, the fork has been delayed, and the funds still remain in Electra01's wallet staking for his own personal gain. Why exactly does this person deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars when he initially wasn't even interested in getting involved with the community/project?

Hell, we're even seeing paid shills come onto the BTT to dilute some of the criticism going on here. This is an act of desperation.

Old news.... It was an ICO so it "might" be big news "if" this other company succeeds.... And those #'s for ATM's and POS are company projections for how many they "hope" to have in 5 or 10 years.
This announcement was worse than an announcement of an announcement. It's an announcement that only stood to do 2 things.... Try to get people to invest in the ICO, and try to make it appear like ECA was actually in a viable, usable partnership.
I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
It's the equivalent of my claiming to be a millionaire now because I'm invested in crypto, because someday it's going to moon.