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Creator of the ICO
September 16, 2014, 01:57:56 AM

To clarify, no Karmashares-related products or services are for sale or have been sold.

The Karma and Karmacoin logos are technically owned by myself (as I started the contest and paid for it). Not that it makes much difference, but I was the one who pushed for the name change to "Karma", although of course quite a few of us will always know us as Karmacoin

Karma and Karmacoin trademarks, in the digital currency classification, are technically owned by myself (as I registered it and paid for it). The idea is to provide exclusive use of these names to the Karma cryptocurrency community (and protection against any other parties wishing to use these names). I do not see myself as the owner but caretaker of these marks.

Karma is open source. No one owns the Karma source code.

Karmacoin.me is a domain that I registered (as are KarmaFund.me and others)

kosmost you may have organised the contest and may have paid the lion share of the reward but the contest was actually for an open source logo and the logo itself was produced by community member to be used in and incorporated into open source software.
so that makes you the benefactor not rights holder. you yourself said so many times that you were donating your time to help the community. you might be annoyed with those people who trolled you but you cannot undo the words you said and the donations you made to the community.

Do what you want with Karmashares but don't try to sell or buy Karma rights because you wont get far trying to enforce those rights on an open source community.

people who held karmashares also had "rights" which may be legally en-forcible but is a different minefield...


Apologies, but you really don't know what you're talking about in the above post. Perhaps another post will be more accurate.

You are completely mistaken when you write, "...open source logo and the logo itself was produced by community member"
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 01:48:18 AM

So KOSMOST -- if you own the Trademark -- ping me -- I'm interested in acquiring it and re-locating all services onto our cloud infrastructure.

-dvd

Agreed.

And I have provided enough time for all parties to respond. It's been about 7+ days now.

Due to the current situation and need for proper leadership, all of the Karma-related assets under my control will be transferred accordingly.

As everyone knows, Karma is an open source project. Anyone is welcome to work on it and post here, whether or not anyone is subscribed to your particular implementation of the Karma concept.

But Bitcointalk should not be the extent of Karma development. I would even argue that these kinds of conversations are unproductive and not how to move Karma forward.

Putting a proper organization with professional guidance and leadership behind Karma is probably the best thing we could do right now.

As I will from now be a silent Karma community member I have decided to transfer these marks and services as I see fit, to the parties that have demonstrated the most respect and vision for Karma's core values.

yes, "doing good is good" but let's not forget to 'do good' for Karma, too. There's been enough drama, infighting, and politics to write a book. Let's entrust people who are used to managing such growing pains in a more altruistic way (non-profits) to lead Karma to somewhere truly great. I personally would feel much better knowing that there is a solid organization with a history of 'doing good' things behind Karma.

I hoped that, although I have not done things perfectly, I have been altruistic enough in my work for Karma to demonstrate some of its core values. Although being punished for sacrifices of time, money, and welfare is kind of a farce, we would all do well to put all our egos in one basket and put it on the side and do what is best for Karma's future.

It is the only reasonable course of action at this time.

@TheLittleDuke - by the way, can you please identify your username on the Karma forums? - thanks

Dear Kosmost:

it has not been seven days with out doing nothing. if you want to point at something point at yourself. After you dropped the ball on us , your coming here again making sole decision for karma. it has been seven days , yes. But it has not been seven days that we been doing nothing. there has been post in here, in reddit , in the forum and in facebook. there so little we can do. but unlike you, we are trying to spread the word and find as many options as we have to choose the right candidate.

Out of this time, we have had only three people step up. Pr4mount , mroyusa and little duke. Pr4mount was first but then he told us he just got a new job and he is busy at them moment. mryusa has been a helpful and loyal to facebook community of karma. Little duke is a new member

Not sure were you get off claiming its been 7 days with no response where i personally contacted you and shared my thoughts on our options. you're always fast to point out some stuff but lack the never to talk about your short commings.

Might i remind you that you dropped the ball on us and caused some major drama. While all the services you sprout up online for all the karma community to use was welcomed , they were done as "gift" from you for us to use. In no way did you claim legal right to it and we used them because we believed they all belonged to us. It is not only you who did stuff it was also the people of this community who used them and helped them become the important part of our coin.

You can not make such decision anymore. Even now your still trying to execute sole decision on behalf of karma. be not mistaken. those decision are not on behalf of karma but they are you own decision.

yes you are in control of them now and you can do what you wish with them as we can not stop you. But if your looking to make the right decision for karma then you either shut them down or help us find the right candidate for them.

If i was able to take them over i would have done it in an instance. Unfortunately i can not. i am uncapable as they go over my head. Neither can East or Ryan at this time. We been asking left and right.

there two reddit post and a forum thread , post in here and facebook threads. No one has stepped up to take them over except for the parties i mentioned above.

It seems like you patience ran short, again , and you would give up all the karma's hard work to the person replying to you first. Question is how much is your patience worth to karma?  7 days?

LittleDuke was welcomed by me. I was happy to see his offer. But at the same time there is tons of question he need to answer to the community before i and hopefully the rest of the community agrees he a good contender. Are you that comfortable to make a decision all by yourself to hand them over to him?
He was offered to contact us and share his vision and reason why he should take them over. There is a subtle agenda in his messages. we will need to clear that out. We would require some openness from him to share with all of us what he will do once he has these services. Also we would need him to agree , that just like you, he will also be a "holder" of these services and when times comes he will need to hand them over at the community request.

 the whole point of these services is to be owned and operated by the community. anyone is more then welcomed to continue this service but they will have to go through some proper screening from us and the community. Especially some one with as little karma activity as LittleDuke.

Please tell us how long is your patience worth to the community you spend months trying to help and let us decided who the right candidate is.
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September 16, 2014, 01:45:27 AM
Alphi can I invite you to trello?

sure.. im a little busy atm... thats why I havent been talking too much.. also bcos generally im not interested in fighting and arguing but I am always for this community no matter who is leading it or contributing towards its growth.


thanks you can rest assured that no arguing is happening in trello. All are being done in voluntary way. Everyone who will do something for KARMA will be admitted too.

I am on trello now.. as the one and only Alphi

^_^ welcome my friend! It's a rare opportunity to own a unique name in trello! Someone joined and he have to be nick7! Added you to the devs group, you can request to be added to any group if you want to help on any field.
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September 16, 2014, 01:43:38 AM
Alphi can I invite you to trello?

sure.. im a little busy atm... thats why I havent been talking too much.. also bcos generally im not interested in fighting and arguing but I am always for this community no matter who is leading it or contributing towards its growth.


thanks you can rest assured that no arguing is happening in trello. All are being done in voluntary way. Everyone who will do something for KARMA will be admitted too.

I am on trello now.. as the one and only Alphi
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September 16, 2014, 01:39:45 AM
kosmost kindly change our roles in Karma Facebook page please.
hero member
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September 16, 2014, 01:22:43 AM
Alphi can I invite you to trello?

sure.. im a little busy atm... thats why I havent been talking too much.. also bcos generally im not interested in fighting and arguing but I am always for this community no matter who is leading it or contributing towards its growth.


thanks you can rest assured that no arguing is happening in trello. All are being done in voluntary way. Everyone who will do something for KARMA will be admitted too.
hero member
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September 16, 2014, 01:06:39 AM
Alphi can I invite you to trello?

sure.. im a little busy atm... thats why I havent been talking too much.. also bcos generally im not interested in fighting and arguing but I am always for this community no matter who is leading it or contributing towards its growth.
hero member
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September 16, 2014, 01:02:51 AM
Alphi can I invite you to trello?
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September 16, 2014, 12:59:37 AM

To clarify, no Karmashares-related products or services are for sale or have been sold.

The Karma and Karmacoin logos are technically owned by myself (as I started the contest and paid for it). Not that it makes much difference, but I was the one who pushed for the name change to "Karma", although of course quite a few of us will always know us as Karmacoin

Karma and Karmacoin trademarks, in the digital currency classification, are technically owned by myself (as I registered it and paid for it). The idea is to provide exclusive use of these names to the Karma cryptocurrency community (and protection against any other parties wishing to use these names). I do not see myself as the owner but caretaker of these marks.

Karma is open source. No one owns the Karma source code.

Karmacoin.me is a domain that I registered (as are KarmaFund.me and others)

kosmost you may have organised the contest and may have paid the lion share of the reward but the contest was actually for an open source logo which was incorporated into open source software.
so you are the benefactor not rights holder.
as I said it doesn't matter if you registered a Karma trade mark or not there is enough prior art and documentation to prove that it was done for, and given to an open source project and as you so rightly put it you even see yourself as the caretaker not the owner.

Do what you want with Karmashares but don't try to sell or buy Karma rights because you wont get far trying to enforce those rights on an open source community.




+1
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September 16, 2014, 12:57:46 AM

To clarify, no Karmashares-related products or services are for sale or have been sold.

The Karma and Karmacoin logos are technically owned by myself (as I started the contest and paid for it). Not that it makes much difference, but I was the one who pushed for the name change to "Karma", although of course quite a few of us will always know us as Karmacoin

Karma and Karmacoin trademarks, in the digital currency classification, are technically owned by myself (as I registered it and paid for it). The idea is to provide exclusive use of these names to the Karma cryptocurrency community (and protection against any other parties wishing to use these names). I do not see myself as the owner but caretaker of these marks.

Karma is open source. No one owns the Karma source code.

Karmacoin.me is a domain that I registered (as are KarmaFund.me and others)

kosmost you may have organised the contest and may have paid the lion share of the reward but the contest was actually for an open source logo and the logo itself was produced by community member to be used in and incorporated into open source software.
so that makes you the benefactor not rights holder. you yourself said so many times that you were donating your time to help the community. you might be annoyed with those people who trolled you but you cannot undo the words you said and the donations you made to the community.

Do what you want with Karmashares but don't try to sell or buy Karma rights because you wont get far trying to enforce those rights on an open source community.

people who held karmashares also had "rights" which may be legally en-forcible but is a different minefield...



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September 16, 2014, 12:00:47 AM
kosmost is showing how much he cared for people working for KARMA.

Deciding everything all by himself.

If you go on with that idea of passing everything to littleduke, you will be doing a lot of damage again to the effort of those who are trying to save this.

Well, I know they must have hurt your pride. And for that every karma believers should suffer right?

You said all IPOCOS done under the name of karmashare is owned by karmashare and that karmashare decisions are made by shareholders. Yet you did all the decisions and executed them!
LILL.com although made by you belongs to karmashare, KARMA logo although paid and initiated by you is owned by the community.

You very well know all these things.

Now you are trying to make another stunt. You are deciding and executing all BY YOURSELF.
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Creator of the ICO
September 15, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
The Minnesota non-profit Strength in Numbers Foundation (filing for federal 501.3c status) may be interested in acquiring and hosting all Karma related servers and services as well as funding ongoing development of the coinbase.

Including paying for the transfer of the copyright assuming the current holder can provide a .pdf of the filing approval et a from the USPTO to be reviewed and certified as valid by our corporate attorney.

PM me if interested...

David V Duccini
Executive Director
Strength in Numbers Foundation

Is there a website for Strength in Numbers Foundation?

We will, of course, need to verify legitimacy of entity and interest but this shouldn't be an issue.

Thank you for putting this offer forward. It is sincerely appreciated.
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September 15, 2014, 11:04:33 PM

can I get some clarification here?...

Karma is an open source community the name and logo were created by the community.

Karmashares was a private company managed and run by Kosmost.

so which trademarks are we talking about?

if Kosmost wants to sell Karmashares assets including trademarks then that's up to him and his investors. Nobody except for the people that invested directly in Karmashares has any right at all to complain to Kosmost for what he does there.

if anyone wants to buy or sell Karma assets (including trademarks and source code etc of the coin itself).. I, as a member of the community, would take great exception to this and so would the law considering there is enough prior art to clearly show that these are owned by the community and not any individual or organisation.


To clarify, no Karmashares-related products or services are for sale or have been sold.

The Karma and Karmacoin logos are technically owned by myself (as I started the contest and paid for it). Not that it makes much difference, but I was the one who pushed for the name change to "Karma", although of course quite a few of us will always know us as Karmacoin

Karma and Karmacoin trademarks, in the digital currency classification, are technically owned by myself (as I registered it and paid for it). The idea is to provide exclusive use of these names to the Karma cryptocurrency community (and protection against any other parties wishing to use these names). I do not see myself as the owner but caretaker of these marks.

Karma is open source. No one owns the Karma source code.

Karmacoin.me is a domain that I registered (as are KarmaFund.me and others)
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 15, 2014, 10:58:45 PM

So KOSMOST -- if you own the Trademark -- ping me -- I'm interested in acquiring it and re-locating all services onto our cloud infrastructure.

-dvd

Agreed.

And I have provided enough time for all parties to respond. It's been about 7+ days now.

Due to the current situation and need for proper leadership, all of the Karma-related assets under my control will be transferred accordingly.

As everyone knows, Karma is an open source project. Anyone is welcome to work on it and post here, whether or not anyone is subscribed to your particular implementation of the Karma concept.

But Bitcointalk should not be the extent of Karma development. I would even argue that these kinds of conversations are unproductive and not how to move Karma forward.

Putting a proper organization with professional guidance and leadership behind Karma is probably the best thing we could do right now.

As I will from now be a silent Karma community member I have decided to transfer these marks and services as I see fit, to the parties that have demonstrated the most respect and vision for Karma's core values.

yes, "doing good is good" but let's not forget to 'do good' for Karma, too. There's been enough drama, infighting, and politics to write a book. Let's entrust people who are used to managing such growing pains in a more altruistic way (non-profits) to lead Karma to somewhere truly great. I personally would feel much better knowing that there is a solid organization with a history of 'doing good' things behind Karma.

I hoped that, although I have not done things perfectly, I have been altruistic enough in my work for Karma to demonstrate some of its core values. Although being punished for sacrifices of time, money, and welfare is kind of a farce, we would all do well to put all our egos in one basket and put it on the side and do what is best for Karma's future.

It is the only reasonable course of action at this time.

@TheLittleDuke - by the way, can you please identify your username on the Karma forums? - thanks
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September 15, 2014, 10:38:45 PM
my question was it a smart deal? yes or no?
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September 15, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
so in layman terms ITS A SCAM

in layman's terms.. unless you actually owned Karmashares, you should really just stop going in about it, because contrary to what you say about wanting to help.. you really aren't helping anyone by filling up the thread with pointless posts about the past.

If you did own Karmashares then feel free to consult a lawyer or complain to kosmost directly.
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September 15, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
so in layman terms ITS A SCAM
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September 15, 2014, 10:10:58 PM

when i came here lill was worth over 6million, then it was 2 million. i can research myself but at a loss to find any facts?

I'm not a investor just a miner and trader wishin to help


I think you just said it all.. if you didn't invest in Karmashares then you really don't have much ground to stand on for complaining.
yes I know that people were supposed to be given free Karmashares for the coins they held but unless they actually redeemed their Karmashares then they weren't a Karmashares LLC member at the time that Karmashares was wound up. So there really isn't much point in digging up the facts about the unsuccessful sale of LIL.com which was owned by Karmashares LLC.

this is not directed at you specifically but, I really don't understand how people can complain about not getting something they would have been given for free by a company that no longer exists..
that's why its called a Limited liability company (LLC).. because if it collapses then any debts remaining do not get transferred to the owners of the company (ie the LLC members).
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September 15, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
I feel like Karmashares is the rich uncle who just died and most of the family is wasting time over why there was nothing in the will for them.

Indeed, we're wasting a tremendous amount of time focusing on things that aren't related to adding any value for Karma.

It was 7 days ago that I announced Karmashares was shutting down, 6 days ago I was essentially banned from participating in team chats and asked to remove myself as moderator of the KarmaTeam subreddit, and 5 days ago that I announced I will no longer lead Karma

But it would seem that I have learned 4 things over the past week

1) Karma has a great name

2) No one on the team is interested in keeping core services running (not even responding to the post)

3) We continue to 'volunteer' ourselves as a community, but there is very little actual productivity

4) Despite the many complaints about shutting down Karmashares there was not a single viable alternative offered

We've squandered a lot of the extra attention that we've received over the past couple of weeks arguing over insignificant details.

Out of these ashes a new community will arise, hopefully, of people who actually need Karma right now.

1. Agreed

2. I made an offer (even sent you a note privately about buying the Trademark)

3. Agreed -- but in the vacuum of leadership and direction I think its understandable

4. Again, I made an offer -- and ALSO got kicked out of the Trello board for being an dispassionate neutral third-party.

So KOSMOST -- if you own the Trademark -- ping me -- I'm interested in acquiring it and re-locating all services onto our cloud infrastructure.

-dvd

can I get some clarification here?...

Karma is an open source community the name and logo were created by the community.

Karmashares was a private company managed and run by Kosmost.

so which trademarks are we talking about?

if Kosmost wants to sell Karmashares assets including trademarks then that's up to him and his investors. Nobody except for the people that invested directly in Karmashares has any right at all to complain to Kosmost for what he does there.

if anyone wants to buy or sell Karma assets (including trademarks and source code etc of the coin itself).. I, as a member of the community, would take great exception to this and so would the law considering there is enough prior art to clearly show that these are owned by the community and not any individual or organisation.
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 09:39:25 PM
I feel like Karmashares is the rich uncle who just died and most of the family is wasting time over why there was nothing in the will for them.

Indeed, we're wasting a tremendous amount of time focusing on things that aren't related to adding any value for Karma.

It was 7 days ago that I announced Karmashares was shutting down, 6 days ago I was essentially banned from participating in team chats and asked to remove myself as moderator of the KarmaTeam subreddit, and 5 days ago that I announced I will no longer lead Karma

But it would seem that I have learned 4 things over the past week

1) Karma has a great name

2) No one on the team is interested in keeping core services running (not even responding to the post)

3) We continue to 'volunteer' ourselves as a community, but there is very little actual productivity

4) Despite the many complaints about shutting down Karmashares there was not a single viable alternative offered

We've squandered a lot of the extra attention that we've received over the past couple of weeks arguing over insignificant details.

Out of these ashes a new community will arise, hopefully, of people who actually need Karma right now.

1. Agreed

2. I made an offer (even sent you a note privately about buying the Trademark)

3. Agreed -- but in the vacuum of leadership and direction I think its understandable

4. Again, I made an offer -- and ALSO got kicked out of the Trello board for being an dispassionate neutral third-party.

So KOSMOST -- if you own the Trademark -- ping me -- I'm interested in acquiring it and re-locating all services onto our cloud infrastructure.

-dvd
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