Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11 - page 379. (Read 583278 times)

Kosmost,

So do I hear you correctly that the Beta for Lill is going to be released to the community in the next few days?  Which hopefully would also mean going live before May 31st.

That would be wonderful if so.

Not that the discussion regarding PoS is for not...I just believe it's premature to have to make a decision so swiftly regarding PoS.  My point is we could be spending all this time and energy promoting Lill instead of debating PoS.  I believe Lill alone will be far more rewarding to the growth of Karma than PoS could ever be.

A big THANKS to the Karma Team for making this possible.

Bring on LILL

This is actually quite awesome, and goes far beyond the scope of the metadata layer I talked about.

Let me digest this.. good stuff!

Status: 8 confirmations, broadcast through 6 node(s)
Date: 2014/5/12 星期一 22:46
To: KARM : KBC5TRvFLZTAX2a9x64vBqM5EbgHJszZih K8CT2MVF8DLTb9Gh1Rnm9xVrLPEf6XUFiP
Debit: -10000000.00 KARM
Net amount: -10000000.00 KARM
Transaction ID: c1096218d650be01f90a08cc6ce883a11724feee87dacee1829a1d5814bef63e




Haha. . World Cup exciting.David Luis .

Sounds like the goal of a lot of the projects I read about on r/darknetplan.  Cool stuff. 

I'm betting on Brasil, Argentina, and I'm trying to do one other team, for my big bets.  I figure I really just want to double my money so can't put the eggs in too many baskets, also want to help the charity so definitely going to throw some small wagers on a few more teams.  If somehow a team like Portugal or USA wins and you are the only one with, say, the minimum 100k wager on them, you win the entire pot!   

Definitely. But I think it was more a consequence of his 2 months out injury, than dedication to Argentina. Speaking frankly, at least 12 countries have the potential to win the title. But I prefer Argentina.

yeah I understood that your search engine could rank and rate information...

I was thinking more along the lines of a cryptographically secure decentralised way of rating/verifying addresses and passing on encouraging messages through the Karma network itself (ie on the blockchain) so that your client or any blockchain aware app or website could simply tap into the feeds directly and display them live on any screen.

this has several advantages...

1) past feedback can't be tampered with by anyone and by using the hashcash model, bad actors are disincentivised from trolling or bashing competitors.
2) the messaging system cannot be easily blocked by firewalls unlike twitter and facebook.
3) compromised karma addresses can be sufficiently labelled so that people wishing to send to them would get a message in the Karma client itself warning them that their may be a problem as they try to send Karma.
4) anyone can scan the blockchain and find the people/organizations who are doing the most good... (and those doing the least) and contribute to their cause.


I know that a website can do most of that.. but the difference is that a website can be hacked, tampered with, taken offline etc... the block chain pretty much cant.

anyways I know you guys have a mountain of project so if you want to discuss the ideas in further detail at a later date.. its all good...

just imagine twitter + microtransactions on the block-chain that isn't run by anyone and can't be shutdown by anyone. a virtually free service without advertising that grows in value the more people use it.

I think a a South America team wins this year as well.  Do you really think Messi has been saving himself for it?  That's dedication to his country. 

Please reply with any problems with the Linux wallet (v0.8.6.2.5) - Thanks!

Good idea. It's actually a feature of the Lill search engine, as discussed before. We can annotate transaction IDs and wallet addresses for all coins (not just Karma) and attach notes, maps, videos, links and other media to them. Each can then be rated.

(This will be demonstrated along with the beta release to the Karma community in a couple of days. There's been some delay, as some db changes needed to be made. But automatic adding of each transaction ID will require even more db power, and this can be considered later.)

Putting them the positive comments for Karma sseparately is a good idea, too.

A fixed transaction fee for negative feedback is interesting but may be difficult to implement. Nonetheless it will be added as a possible future dev.

Thanks for the suggestions!

agreed. the blockchain is the paradigm-smasher, the cryptocurrency only a sideproject.

I really like that idea. Inovative use of the blockchain is something that far too few coins are doing, despite the blockchain being the most brilliant feature of bitcoin and its clones.

here is one thing that probably has not been discussed yet.

we have a Karma wall right? where people can post comments.
we encourage people to send small donations to people for doing good.

we know that all altcoins can store a small message with transactions...

so how about we combine those ideas?

how about rather than just spreading Karma around as a token gesture... why don't we actually use it to spread real gestures.

and by that I mean... why not use Karma and the blockchain as the messaging system for sending nice messages of encouragement/feedback along with coins themselves.

we could then hook into the blockchain and pull out those messages and put them up on a website (or block explorer) so that people could actually see the positive comments that went along with the donations.. sort of like a the feedback system used in Ebay etc..

we could make it really easy so that if someone has a website that is accepting Karma donations... people could lookup that address and see the recent feedback (or see it shown on the actual donation page itself) which would give them a better indication of how legit/karma worthy that address actually was..

and ofcourse if someone had a scam donation address people could send negative feedback via a 1 Karma transaction which would mean that they get very little actual money but the negative Feedback is stored for others to see... this ofcourse would encourage Legitimate users of the system to keep their addresses clean so that they can keep collecting donations... and those who are scammers would have to keep changing addresses and thus would perpetually have very little positive feedback.

sounds like a good idea to me.. I give it to the Karma community for free... and if you guys don't implemented it then I may have to just implement it myself for one of my projects.

just think of it... Karma could be the very first crypto currency to have its very own address rating system.


PS.. and another thought.. to stop people from trolling addresses with abusive messages.. we could have a modest but  somewhat prohibitive Fixed transaction fee for negative feedback. (like the HashCash idea to stop email spammers)

Thanks for the link. It will be considered.

Thanks for reply. I also have ECCoin as well. It's new wallet has coin age control feature. So I can select which coin send first.
Younger coin should be sent first to keep old coin gaining ages.
plz refer https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-eccoin-ecc-eccoin-green-future-fork-fixed-upgrade-needed-503236  

Good stuff! Thanks.. will add it to the list of future dev

We will use blockchain info for this.

If there are any additional changes that we need to make to the wallet because of it (unlikely) then it will be spec'd out in July probably.

I think we should have up-to-dated wallet with integrated function for PoC. (like Coin age control.etc )
Does dev. them have any plan to update wallets?

I'm leading the following projects right now: Lill, Wespond, Hireplex. I'll release them into beta and see which developers are interested in taking over the projects. Then I will work on other projects. These three can serve as an example so people can see how iPOCOs will work, and how easy it can be to get projects going.

As mentioned, anyone can put up an idea on the subreddit. They or someone else can lead the team, and others can join the team.

For now, the projects are not "pre-funded". The community will decide how to reward the iPOOCO team members based on performance, momentum, and success.

This prevents us from spending money on projects that may not gain traction. We can probably do some pre-funding when our coin price is much higher, but it wouldn't be good now.

Hope this answers your question.

100% with you. Karma was, and still is, awesome!
But you should know that probably 90% of the miners out there don't give a shit about any coin but BTC and maybe one or two "pet" alts. They mine what is profitable and sell. If they can exploit a weakness/bug/hashrate advantage to make even bigger profit, most of them won't think twice. And while I am sure most miners are regular guys, have solid ethics and wouldn't ever dream of consciously damaging a coin, there will always be some that won't have a problem with it. The altcoin space is not called wild west without reason. There are heroes and there are bad guys. Just look at all the horrible scams, hacks, ddos attacks etc.



3 words: Time warp attack
"The time warp attack[1] is based on a bug in Bitcoin and Litecoin (and their forks) where the difficulty calculation is off by one block. This is an example of a flaw that affects all coins, especially ones with low network hash rates. " - Litecoin Wiki

Several coins have been hit by time-warp attacks already. I know at least one was attempted against UNO lately (though apparently it was unsuccessfull). Terracoin is a pretty well known example, check this discussion on it from "Let's talk bitcoin". Really, listen to it. The basic set up is very similar to the situation Karma and other Litecoin clones will be facing soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ffDIw0J3Q
The relevant part is from 0:20 - 11:53

A quote from the show, right after they discuss the attack, how it happened, what made it possible to happen and how it could be prevented (from Andreas Antonopoulos): "Well, in this case, choosing SHA256 as a proof of work puts you right in the shark pool. [...] Use the PoW to carve out your own little swimming pool where you can survive [...] otherwise, the ASICs will come and swallow you."

"Scypt 2014" === "SHA256 2013"



Yes of course someone will get the idea to fork a coin into oblivion. Why wouldn't they if it makes them fast and easy BTC? Don't get me wrong, I love your optimism, but under which rock have you been hiding? Do you not see the shit that is constantly going on around us in these very forums? There are plenty of wealthy people in this space that only care about one thing - profits. They don't care about any altcoin, some even don't care about BTC.

Will Karma be a target? Who knows - I sure hope not! But there WILL be casualties.


Well then good luck to us all I guess. If we get through all of this unscathed I will make a nice donation to the Karmafund.