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spartak_t

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Quote from: Hyperjacked on March 05, 2016, 12:14:30 PM

ICO is a very bad idea imHo! Investors like Spartak will hoard and manipulate the price...possibly dumping hard without any warning! Personally I have no issues with a premine if it is used with the best interests of the investors in mind.

The winds of change are on the horizon...

The coming alt bull market will be led by real project with real world applications...

Make good things happen...

Why do you think it's a bad idea? Look at WARP for example. It is a big success for its initial investors. Anyway, I don't want to invest in SHIFT, I'm just sharing my opinion. First ETH fork should look a lot better than it is now, so I really want better times for it.

Cheers,
Spartak

Maythe2nd

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what should I follow? this thread or the takeover one?

Hyperjacked

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It's all mathematics...!

ICO is a very bad idea imHo! Investors like Spartak will hoard and manipulate the price...possibly dumping hard without any warning! Personally I have no issues with a premine if it is used with the best interests of the investors in mind.

The winds of change are on the horizon...

The coming alt bull market will be led by real project with real world applications...

Make good things happen...

spartak_t

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Quote from: Hyperjacked on March 05, 2016, 11:57:22 AM

Really...? ^^ This Thread has is no the place for that.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13732726

Not his exact words, but yes, really.

It doesn't matter to me, since I have proved myself where I have to, but I don't like people in here to be failed.

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Quote from: spartak_t on January 30, 2016, 08:46:36 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on January 28, 2016, 08:27:26 PM

Quote from: Maverick69 on January 03, 2016, 08:44:15 AM

Any news dev?

Starting to get better, will soon start devel again. But the thing is, WE HAD A VERY SMALL PREMINE, ALL IS SPENT. In other words, we should not had such a low premine, but the community wanted it. Now we cant pay for nothing. Cant even pay for a block explorer. Cant pay for hosting expenses... etc etc

And to be honest.. i dont feel investing much time if im not getting paid. Its that simple. We cant even pay our former designer. This was a good project, but the premine was very very very low. This is what happens when a community asking for a non existing premine. And no, we have no mining gear.

Stop whining and just go away. When you start doing something like this, you must support it no matter what, because there are people who invest money in your idea (or whatever). If you are serious enough, you can buy thousands of SHIFT for pennies, deliver and make some profit. It's that simple!

OR, you can shut the fuck up and leave this thread. Cunt. You have done nothing that benefits crypto in general, no dev, no ideas. You are a sheep. Now follow, lead or shut up:)

Hyperjacked

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It's all mathematics...!

Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 11:53:31 AM

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Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:59:09 AM

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

No again.

My point was about doing ICO/crowdsale before starting this project (as it is now).

You had the chance to gather at least 50 BTC for the first ETH fork. Anyway, good luck.

EDIT: On second thought, I think you can find some investors for the current project. Why don't you try that first? If you have the abilities to develop this project, and convince some people you will not worry about the development funds anymore.

Doing an ICO is not The best option. We must earn The trust. The option is to lower The premine (have gotten some PMs about this ). Right now im comparing to expanse 11 million. But since you are a bit of an expert on this i would like to talk with you, maybe on slack if you want...

Nah.. I'm just a little cunt (like you once said) with few ideas... nothing more.

Really...? ^^ This Thread has is no the place for that.

spartak_t

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Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:59:09 AM

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

No again.

My point was about doing ICO/crowdsale before starting this project (as it is now).

You had the chance to gather at least 50 BTC for the first ETH fork. Anyway, good luck.

EDIT: On second thought, I think you can find some investors for the current project. Why don't you try that first? If you have the abilities to develop this project, and convince some people you will not worry about the development funds anymore.

Doing an ICO is not The best option. We must earn The trust. The option is to lower The premine (have gotten some PMs about this ). Right now im comparing to expanse 11 million. But since you are a bit of an expert on this i would like to talk with you, maybe on slack if you want...

Nah.. I'm just a little cunt (like you once said) with few ideas... nothing more.

m4nki

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 11:19:43 AM

Public meeting at slack at 6 PM UTC (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx)

You can send your email to either [email protected] or here on bitcointalk. The channel name will be "shiftv2.slack.com"

Looking forward to talk to you all. Even trolls are welcome, i probably wont answer you but thats another question.

Great!

Also, here is an overview of a regular startup fundraising mindset (sorry for large size):

ShiftTeam

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Public meeting at slack at 6 PM UTC (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx)

You can send your email to either [email protected] or here on bitcointalk. The channel name will be "shiftv2.slack.com"

Looking forward to talk to you all. Even trolls are welcome, i probably wont answer you but thats another question.

Hyperjacked

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It's all mathematics...!

With all the hype around ETH...Just pull this together and make good things happen!

Time is money or in this case bigtime BTC...

ShiftTeam

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:57:14 AM

Quote from: m4nki on March 05, 2016, 06:23:28 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

I will probably relaunch SHIFT.

Those who have SHF will be able to convert them into SHIFT v2.

I am able to get more developers onto the team, so that im not alone while developing this.

I will also make some small adjustments to the difficulty settings along with some other improvements. This time i will make sure that we do not run out of funds.

The premine will be around 5 million SHF. I will also create a DAO (which expanse have said from the beginning, but have not accomplished).

And of course i will make sure that SHIFT is in sync with the latest version of Ethereum code base. My other plans for SHIFT will be executed and explained in a roadmap and a whitepaper.

Step number one is to make the new release with a new genesis block.
Step two, create a system for those who currently have SHF and wants to convert them into SHF v2.
Step three, a new block explorer.
Step four, Teka can give me the 90% done webpage and we can publish that.
Step five, i will finance new VPSes from my own pocket with the 0.2 BTC i currently have.
Step six, buy a suiting domain name.

All this will be done simultaneously.

I know i can make SHIFT the best alternative ethereum fork. I wont let SHIFT vanish after the hard work put down into this.

Awesome - I will definately follow development. If you manage to get done what you state here, great - especially the DAO.

So converting would be 1 to 1 I assume?

Yes, 1 to 1.

1 to 1 when supply is actually doubled?

I will NOT put shift into this position again, not being able to pay team members and other simple stuff. But im willing to set up a public meeting on slack for those who want to participate.. so we can discuss this.

ozboy2014

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:57:14 AM

Quote from: m4nki on March 05, 2016, 06:23:28 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

I will probably relaunch SHIFT.

Those who have SHF will be able to convert them into SHIFT v2.

I am able to get more developers onto the team, so that im not alone while developing this.

I will also make some small adjustments to the difficulty settings along with some other improvements. This time i will make sure that we do not run out of funds.

The premine will be around 5 million SHF. I will also create a DAO (which expanse have said from the beginning, but have not accomplished).

And of course i will make sure that SHIFT is in sync with the latest version of Ethereum code base. My other plans for SHIFT will be executed and explained in a roadmap and a whitepaper.

Step number one is to make the new release with a new genesis block.
Step two, create a system for those who currently have SHF and wants to convert them into SHF v2.
Step three, a new block explorer.
Step four, Teka can give me the 90% done webpage and we can publish that.
Step five, i will finance new VPSes from my own pocket with the 0.2 BTC i currently have.
Step six, buy a suiting domain name.

All this will be done simultaneously.

I know i can make SHIFT the best alternative ethereum fork. I wont let SHIFT vanish after the hard work put down into this.

Awesome - I will definately follow development. If you manage to get done what you state here, great - especially the DAO.

So converting would be 1 to 1 I assume?

Yes, 1 to 1.

1 to 1 when supply is actually doubled?

ShiftTeam

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Quote from: m4nki on March 05, 2016, 08:22:23 AM

Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:59:09 AM

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

No again.

My point was about doing ICO/crowdsale before starting this project (as it is now).

You had the chance to gather at least 50 BTC for the first ETH fork. Anyway, good luck.

EDIT: On second thought, I think you can find some investors for the current project. Why don't you try that first? If you have the abilities to develop this project, and convince some people you will not worry about the development funds anymore.

True, I also think there should be a lot of interest now from investors in exploring the possibilities of Ethereum technology.

Anyhow, an ICO/crowdsale is about the same as finding investors.

ShiftTeam, could you please post the specifications that you are having in mind for the Shift v.2?

Also, still an unknown factor within the Ethereum Foundation is when the switching from PoW to PoS will occur (they told me probably happening next year). It would be great if you could predecide on a block number. I imagine for example it could be nice if the SHIFT from PoW to PoS came early and abrupt. Maybe after three months. It could give an edge over Ethereum in terms of accelerating growth in interest of miners, if the SHIFT from PoW to PoS happened quite early. I do not know though if this is technically feasable, as I am not a coder myself.

So it would be great to have some info on your thoughts, especially in terms of:

Current coins in circulation:
PoS shifting date:
Pre- and post-PoS shift inflation rate:
Max coins:
Will coins continue to stake after hitting the max limit of coins? if yes, to which extent:

Roadmap estimates:
I assume you will be forking Homestead?

I Will get back to you in a couple of hours on all this.

spartak_t

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Not really. It can take some time and 8-10 BTC, but you can buy about %20 of the entire supply, which can be divided between the investor/s and the developer. Then the investor/s can add another 2-3 BTC for the nodes, domain, hosting etc.. That is a total of 10-13 BTC investment or ~$4800-$5300. If the development team starts to work seriously, the coin could easily hit $0.10 price, which gives 100%+ profit for the investors and regained interest in the project.

m4nki

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Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:59:09 AM

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

No again.

My point was about doing ICO/crowdsale before starting this project (as it is now).

You had the chance to gather at least 50 BTC for the first ETH fork. Anyway, good luck.

EDIT: On second thought, I think you can find some investors for the current project. Why don't you try that first? If you have the abilities to develop this project, and convince some people you will not worry about the development funds anymore.

True, I also think there should be a lot of interest now from investors in exploring the possibilities of Ethereum technology.

Anyhow, an ICO/crowdsale is about the same as finding investors.

ShiftTeam, could you please post the specifications that you are having in mind for the Shift v.2?

Also, still an unknown factor within the Ethereum Foundation is when the switching from PoW to PoS will occur (they told me probably happening next year). It would be great if you could predecide on a block number. I imagine for example it could be nice if the SHIFT from PoW to PoS came early and abrupt. Maybe after three months. It could give an edge over Ethereum in terms of accelerating growth in interest of miners, if the SHIFT from PoW to PoS happened quite early. I do not know though if this is technically feasable, as I am not a coder myself.

So it would be great to have some info on your thoughts, especially in terms of:

Current coins in circulation:
PoS shifting date:
Pre- and post-PoS shift inflation rate:
Max coins:
Will coins continue to stake after hitting the max limit of coins? if yes, to which extent:

Roadmap estimates:
I assume you will be forking Homestead?

spartak_t

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 07:59:09 AM

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

No again.

My point was about doing ICO/crowdsale before starting this project (as it is now).

You had the chance to gather at least 50 BTC for the first ETH fork. Anyway, good luck.

EDIT: On second thought, I think you can find some investors for the current project. Why don't you try that first? If you have the abilities to develop this project, and convince some people you will not worry about the development funds anymore.

ShiftTeam

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Quote from: spartak_t on March 05, 2016, 05:42:43 AM

My point was to make an ICO in the beginning. And, btw, the decision not to listen to the community (do not count me in it... it's just my opinion) is very wrong. Btctalk may be full of trolls, but there are still good people (and big investors) in here. Believe me, I know what is not to have any funds, and work on something, without seeing much support from elsewhere. After all... it's your project and do what you want to do, but you'll understand at some point that I am right.

Best of luck,
Spartak

We Will of course listen to the community. Not about doing a ICO. It Will be a relaunch.

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Quote from: m4nki on March 05, 2016, 06:23:28 AM

Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

I will probably relaunch SHIFT.

Those who have SHF will be able to convert them into SHIFT v2.

I am able to get more developers onto the team, so that im not alone while developing this.

I will also make some small adjustments to the difficulty settings along with some other improvements. This time i will make sure that we do not run out of funds.

The premine will be around 5 million SHF. I will also create a DAO (which expanse have said from the beginning, but have not accomplished).

And of course i will make sure that SHIFT is in sync with the latest version of Ethereum code base. My other plans for SHIFT will be executed and explained in a roadmap and a whitepaper.

Step number one is to make the new release with a new genesis block.
Step two, create a system for those who currently have SHF and wants to convert them into SHF v2.
Step three, a new block explorer.
Step four, Teka can give me the 90% done webpage and we can publish that.
Step five, i will finance new VPSes from my own pocket with the 0.2 BTC i currently have.
Step six, buy a suiting domain name.

All this will be done simultaneously.

I know i can make SHIFT the best alternative ethereum fork. I wont let SHIFT vanish after the hard work put down into this.

Awesome - I will definately follow development. If you manage to get done what you state here, great - especially the DAO.

So converting would be 1 to 1 I assume?

Yes, 1 to 1.

Maverick69

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

The premine will be around 5 million SHF. I will also create a DAO (which expanse have said from the beginning, but have not accomplished).

Seriously? 5 fucking million!
Current number is 2.7M!

Shameless! (let's recall you've had 250k already)

lulla.by

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Ridiculous how you decided to come back after others wanted to takeover your coin. If you care about your project, you should never leave it. Ridiculous dev...

m4nki

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Quote from: ShiftTeam on March 05, 2016, 05:04:55 AM

I will probably relaunch SHIFT.

Those who have SHF will be able to convert them into SHIFT v2.

I am able to get more developers onto the team, so that im not alone while developing this.

I will also make some small adjustments to the difficulty settings along with some other improvements. This time i will make sure that we do not run out of funds.

The premine will be around 5 million SHF. I will also create a DAO (which expanse have said from the beginning, but have not accomplished).

And of course i will make sure that SHIFT is in sync with the latest version of Ethereum code base. My other plans for SHIFT will be executed and explained in a roadmap and a whitepaper.

Step number one is to make the new release with a new genesis block.
Step two, create a system for those who currently have SHF and wants to convert them into SHF v2.
Step three, a new block explorer.
Step four, Teka can give me the 90% done webpage and we can publish that.
Step five, i will finance new VPSes from my own pocket with the 0.2 BTC i currently have.
Step six, buy a suiting domain name.

All this will be done simultaneously.

I know i can make SHIFT the best alternative ethereum fork. I wont let SHIFT vanish after the hard work put down into this.

Awesome - I will definately follow development. If you manage to get done what you state here, great - especially the DAO.

So converting would be 1 to 1 I assume?

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