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sr. member
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You spent a bounty on promoplugs.com two days ago. Why did not send the coins in my wallet, 48 hours have already passed.  My adress is 5VriAH3AVcM2737LZzxfbLV2WjnwPt51AW
Check please.

He had to download the new wallet and sync so it's taking more than expected. Sorry for that.
Guess you'll have your coins in less than 24h. Be patient please

Nothing...
and i can't see my adress 5VriAH3AVcM2737LZzxfbLV2WjnwPt51AW in block explorer... is this coin live?
Huh

Is it cryptopia address?
sr. member
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

Make sure your wallet is unlocked otherwise they won't stake.

If you recently moved your coins from one address to another, that might also do it.  Or maybe you're wallet is behind on the blockchain and needs to download the rest of the chain first.  These are all options.  Or...they may have already staked recently and you didn't notice.

Wallet is unlocked. Current block is 1294928. Looks like only thing I can do is wait patiently. Do you think it has something to do with old wallet.dat? I'm still using my 3 years old dat file. Maybe I should send all coins to newly generated address in teslacoin wallet.

Funny story, was about to find the pull down menu and option in the wallet, and it stalled for literally around 30 minutes just because I was trying to click the help pull-down menu 8(

Anyway.  Maybe it's your wallet.dat file but there's a solution; go to the command window (help > debug window) and type "repairwallet".  It will sit there for a while.  That could help.  I wouldn't send the coins elsewhere unless a dev says to, otherwise you will lose your staking value that's been building up and that'll mean you'll have to wait another month to take advantage of it AND that's not supposed to happen anyhow.  When was the last time, per your transactions, that your wallet staked (approximately, like a few days, weeks etc).

Last time wallet staked August 3rd.
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

Make sure your wallet is unlocked otherwise they won't stake.

If you recently moved your coins from one address to another, that might also do it.  Or maybe you're wallet is behind on the blockchain and needs to download the rest of the chain first.  These are all options.  Or...they may have already staked recently and you didn't notice.

Wallet is unlocked. Current block is 1294928. Looks like only thing I can do is wait patiently. Do you think it has something to do with old wallet.dat? I'm still using my 3 years old dat file. Maybe I should send all coins to newly generated address in teslacoin wallet.

Funny story, was about to find the pull down menu and option in the wallet, and it stalled for literally around 30 minutes just because I was trying to click the help pull-down menu 8(

Anyway.  Maybe it's your wallet.dat file but there's a solution; go to the command window (help > debug window) and type "repairwallet".  It will sit there for a while.  That could help.  I wouldn't send the coins elsewhere unless a dev says to, otherwise you will lose your staking value that's been building up and that'll mean you'll have to wait another month to take advantage of it AND that's not supposed to happen anyhow.  When was the last time, per your transactions, that your wallet staked (approximately, like a few days, weeks etc).
sr. member
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

Make sure your wallet is unlocked otherwise they won't stake.

If you recently moved your coins from one address to another, that might also do it.  Or maybe you're wallet is behind on the blockchain and needs to download the rest of the chain first.  These are all options.  Or...they may have already staked recently and you didn't notice.

Wallet is unlocked. Current block is 1294928. Looks like only thing I can do is wait patiently. Do you think it has something to do with old wallet.dat? I'm still using my 3 years old dat file. Maybe I should send all coins to newly generated address in teslacoin wallet.
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

Make sure your wallet is unlocked otherwise they won't stake.

If you recently moved your coins from one address to another, that might also do it.  Or maybe you're wallet is behind on the blockchain and needs to download the rest of the chain first.  These are all options.  Or...they may have already staked recently and you didn't notice.
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There is auxPow option which uses the PoW that already exists. Problem there is that we need to have enought economical motivation for pool to include us and mining centralization.

My concern is that if we move back to regular PoW, will we still be the "energy efficient coin"?  I'm concerned that returning to regular PoW would contradict that.

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That's PoS about. The ones who have more stake are the most interested in keep the blockchain running.
Other option is the masternodes.

What I mean is that if the PoS work ends up being *only* done by those with the most coins, and they get so much priority others literally can't stake, then they become, by default, "masternodes".  I'm not saying it shouldn't exist to some degree, just suggesting an equation that could ensure that it is not programmed into the system that "only" those individuals can stake but that is be programmed in to ensure others can still contribute (especially if the big dogs aren't available at a given moment).

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What happens when no one is staking at given time and people want to buy things with Teslacoin?
We expect that doesn't happen

It has been happening here and there the last couple of weeks, I was merely pointing out, in my prior post, ways to impede and or eliminate that regardless of the fluctuations in the network because, right now, its the algorithms that are allowing these dead times right now; and its not for lack of wallets open, its for lack of available staking coins to use to build blocks.

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If you don't prioritize in some way then what decides who gets to win the "battle" of the hashes and gets the fee for the block over everyone else?
Shall it be the one who gets it done fastest?  Oh wait, now we're back to PoW. 
See the cycle?
I see. Yes, fee distribution it's a point we need to work on...
The first node to distribute the tx get the fee is an option.

What I mean is it goes back to the PoW (and therefor lack energy efficiency) if we just say whoever does it "first".  Even if we just let the wallet program "handle" this PoW mining it'll still be whomever has the fastest processor the wallet is running on who will get the tx fee, therefor starting a race to have the fastest computer and spend the most electricity to complete the node first.  That's why I was thinking something that pivots off of Proof of Stake, but that is programmed not to only allow those who have the most coins to be the only ones to perform proof of stake either.  Any big dogs who suddenly send their coins to another wallet or sell them would cause a huge drop in the efficiency of the network if others couldn't pitch in at that time.
sr. member
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Yeah really strange. Syncing without problems. Just not staking. This drives me crazy lol.
legendary
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You spent a bounty on promoplugs.com two days ago. Why did not send the coins in my wallet, 48 hours have already passed.  My adress is 5VriAH3AVcM2737LZzxfbLV2WjnwPt51AW
Check please.

He had to download the new wallet and sync so it's taking more than expected. Sorry for that.
Guess you'll have your coins in less than 24h. Be patient please
legendary
Activity: 2142
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I've created a reddit thread so we can be there too

Please go there and show some love!!   Smiley Smiley

https://www.reddit.com/r/Teslamovement/









Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh

No matter how old are you coins, they should be staking.  Smiley





I think your ideas and proposals are very good. This is a very important topic for TES future and as always everything has pros and cons.

I don't expect a change of the fundamentals, must most of my suggestions revolved around adhering to the basic concept of the coin. Otherwise, who will be motivated to "mine" the blocks even for a fee?
People will have 2 motivations. The economic one (fees) and personal one (They want to see Tesla's work crowdfunded and completed)


If its PoW then we lose energy efficiency claims.
There is auxPow option which uses the PoW that already exists. Problem there is that we need to have enought economical motivation for pool to include us and mining centralization.


If its PoS then you have to decide who has priority over others.  Shall the richest control the market?
That's PoS about. The ones who have more stake are the most interested in keep the blockchain running.
Other option is the masternodes.


What happens when no one is staking at given time and people want to buy things with Teslacoin?
We expect that doesn't happen


If you don't prioritize in some way then what decides who gets to win the "battle" of the hashes and gets the fee for the block over everyone else?
Shall it be the one who gets it done fastest?  Oh wait, now we're back to PoW. 
See the cycle?
I see. Yes, fee distribution it's a point we need to work on...
The first node to distribute the tx get the fee is an option.
sr. member
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Maybe it's not staking because of my 3 years old coins.  Huh
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what is this?

21:24:29

getmininginfo


21:24:29

{
"blocks" : 1294404,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 1.46811084,
"errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers.",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}


The wallet hasn't been hard-updated with the most recent checkpoint yet, that's all.  It has no impact except to startle each person until they realize that's what it means.
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Thanks for your ideas. We don't plan to change the fundamentals but fees are gonna be neccesary.

I don't expect a change of the fundamentals, must most of my suggestions revolved around adhering to the basic concept of the coin. Otherwise, who will be motivated to "mine" the blocks even for a fee?
If its PoW then we lose energy efficiency claims.
If its PoS then you have to decide who has priority over others.  Shall the richest control the market?
What happens when no one is staking at given time and people want to buy things with Teslacoin?
If you don't prioritize in some way then what decides who gets to win the "battle" of the hashes and gets the fee for the block over everyone else?
Shall it be the one who gets it done fastest?  Oh wait, now we're back to PoW. 

See the cycle?

legendary
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Why does not the wallet synchronize, stand on the side 1293696 and nothing happens?

Already moving forward





I'm fully synced. But not staking last 4 days.

https://pasteboard.co/GEycB9J.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/GEycWYH.jpg

Not sure why... I've been staking...






Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

You're tx will be included. Don't worry.






Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

Improve your FUD  Wink





[...] Its odd, I always thought there were transactions fees already being levied in Teslacoin, regardless of how small they were, yet I just looked through about a dozen blocks and didn't see any. 

I would suggest that if transaction fees could be implemented, might as well do it now.  At least that way when people aren't staking, they might still help create blocks to allow transactions to go through (as there hasn't been a block in hours).  Not to mention, if no one has noticed, since this new update, blocks, when someone is staking, are blasting out like 10+ blocks a minute, instead of one every 30 seconds. This may be caused by the "difficulty" associated with the "staking" and the algorithm changing the "difficulty" to make it "easier" or faster to mine a block due to such a long time of no blocks.  The error in that is that staking is so much different than conventional mining that altering the equation such that time necessary to create a block due to the change in difficulty will result in blocks that take mere seconds.  So we then have huge boom and bust cycles of blocks and transactions are stalled in the interim.  That's likely going to be a bit tricky as the difficulty is likely being used to distinguish who deserves to have their coins "staked" first while it is also inextricably linked to the frequency at which blocks are created.  Might be able to add code to alter it such that no matter what, no more than 1 block per 30 seconds can be created.  The 30 second blocks also help with the speed of transactions so we probably wouldn't want to change that to a higher time either.

Summary; my suggestion, at this time, is to implement fees (perhaps even give people the tools to set the fees they require/want in their wallet before their wallet will automatically create a block for a given or given set of transactions) and allow people, even when staking, to receive fees.  That should also result in it being fixed even before we hit the 75 million as it will immediately award 0 stake, but will reward whatever transactions fees are appropriate such that people are still motivated to "stake" and or maintain the network. We could do "mining" for the network (perhaps even now, set it up as a separate set of equations to current staking) such that when the network is idle and there is a transaction that is available to be bound to a block, that all the wallets currently open will try to stake that block, then whichever wallet has been "staking" (in this alternative sense) the longest and or the "most" offers the network a block option, the one with the greatest staking value will be awarded the declaration of the "correct" block and the transaction fee.  This would be overridden by anyone who has actual staking to be done at that given moment (so that this would remain valid even before the 75 million are hit).  The longest "staking" would also be correlated such that all other nodes could confirm that that block came from the node with the most staking "value" built up.  Depending on how that is done/coded that could also allow a cycle of everyone, equally, who are "staking" (in this secondary staking context) to actually take part in the creation of blocks.  I don't know if that would actually be the goal or if there would be a focus upon the number of coins the given person was staking (in this secondary staking context).  Or perhaps somewhere in between.  I think that detail could correlate with a great amount of discussion. Or, perhaps a sliding scale.  The number of coins you have builds up more "staking" value, that is used to "compete" with other wallets/nodes for a given block with fees.  The fewer coins you have staking the slower your "staking value" is increased, thereby not denying you the ability to take part in mining, but not giving you as much such that it will take you longer to "compete" for a given block. 

Or maybe we should go back to POW after 75 million?  Well, i guess that would contradict the whole "energy efficiency" of Teslacoin at that point, so I guess that's not an option.  Either way.  Hope I gave some usable ideas.  Now if only I could master how to program with any level of competence then maybe I could help more specifically.

Thanks for your ideas. We don't plan to change the fundamentals but fees are gonna be neccesary.
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Why does not the wallet synchronize, stand on the side 1293696 and nothing happens?

The block chain is awaiting someone who has coins actively staking such that they can then code the next block. 
sr. member
Activity: 728
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member
Activity: 60
Merit: 10
Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.

Self evident?  I think you're getting ahead of yourself.  There are merely imperfections in the programming at the moment that can result in brief periods that lack consistent block creation.
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.

If your attempt is to get cheap Teslacoin, you are trying in vain. Otherwise don't worry, Teslacoin is still alive and kicking.
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close

Well it seemed self-evident, I would normally say "time will tell" but it pretty much has at this point.
member
Activity: 60
Merit: 10
Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not even close
full member
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Hello, I would like to invest heavily in this project, but what's up with the wallet? I downloaded 32bit version (64 doesn't work) and used the last bootstrap, it synced correctly so I sent 40k TES as a test but they never arrive. My adress is 5pP1wnVpsukyWax68kbWJAhaszKxyzgcJL and the transaction number is 680fb05e3934cd4af6d8d21a4d1141938988cdd04fd43eb90dbf45a21b559707f45a21b559707 but in the block explorer nothing appears. Does that mean I lost them?

Coin Dead?  Huh Huh

not at all
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