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Topic: [ANN][XST] Stealth-Coin.com | Tor | StealthText, World's first anonymous SMS Tx! - page 63. (Read 748616 times)

legendary
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I would like to know what happens when you all find out hondo cannot implement chandran sigs tin the way he is implying

So I've been watching the drama of you saying this over and over again.  Can you share with me who those crypto people are that are saying it can't be done?  Where's a technical thread discussing it?  Cause a few weeks back I had an exchange with a Monero dev about chandran sigs and he said they were looking into it for Monero.  Basically, he said that, although the reduced size for chandran sigs is true for large mixes, it's not true for small ones (the white paper was written in a misleading way to present things in a better light).  Thus, they were looking at potentially using them for large mix transactions and continuing to use the ring signatures for small ones.  Sooooo.  If they're looking at chandran sigs and, at least at that point, they believed they were viable, I'd like to know who these other people are that say they're not.

Note: I'm not one of the XST cult members and have been labeled a troll and FUDer by this community.  But I like to know the facts of things regardless of what thread I can get them from.

Sure you're not a fudder and whatever other stupid words people use to categorize things under but you are asking the right questions i just feel they are somewhat loaded but the answer is simple you can't do it with plain ring signatures... it has to be linkable / traceable signatures making it undoable in the way that hondo is implying
legendary
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Merit: 1050
sub-linear traceable ring signatures could operate on the same principle as what they are implying, but chandran signatures aren't linkable/traceable

This is the CryptoNote whitepaper:
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

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By combining both methods (unlinkable public keys and untraceable ring signature) Bob achieves
new level of privacy in comparison with the original Bitcoin scheme.

Please read section 4.4 and 4.5. A ring signature doesn't have to be 'traceable' for anonymizing transactions. I'm not even talking on a vaporware, this is CryptoNote. Jamming technical words you don't understand together doesn't make you look smart.





But you sure as hell are going to give it a go right!?

it has to be traceable, so you have like a public tag, otherwise the same ringsignature could just be created again, and they could double spend. Linkable: (in the context of ring sigs) seems to mean that the same tag can't be used twice in the same ring traceable means the tag can't be used twice regardless of the keys in the ring.
sr. member
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I would like to know what happens when you all find out hondo cannot implement chandran sigs tin the way he is implying

So I've been watching the drama of you saying this over and over again.  Can you share with me who those crypto people are that are saying it can't be done?  Where's a technical thread discussing it?  Cause a few weeks back I had an exchange with a Monero dev about chandran sigs and he said they were looking into it for Monero.  Basically, he said that, although the reduced size for chandran sigs is true for large mixes, it's not true for small ones (the white paper was written in a misleading way to present things in a better light).  Thus, they were looking at potentially using them for large mix transactions and continuing to use the ring signatures for small ones.  Sooooo.  If they're looking at chandran sigs and, at least at that point, they believed they were viable, I'd like to know who these other people are that say they're not.

Note: I'm not one of the XST cult members and have been labeled a troll and FUDer by this community.  But I like to know the facts of things regardless of what thread I can get them from.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
sub-linear traceable ring signatures could operate on the same principle as what they are implying, but chandran signatures aren't linkable/traceable

This is the CryptoNote whitepaper:
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

Quote
By combining both methods (unlinkable public keys and untraceable ring signature) Bob achieves
new level of privacy in comparison with the original Bitcoin scheme.

Please read section 4.4 and 4.5. A ring signature doesn't have to be 'traceable' for anonymizing transactions. I'm not even talking on a vaporware, this is CryptoNote. Jamming technical words you don't understand together doesn't make you look smart.



newbie
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Merit: 0
I love the "dead silence effect" Grin
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

You made yourself the majority in this thread... in as little as 3 days. Bravo, my friend!

seriously is that all you have to say...even now..you are getting more and more desperate..whats next going to question my sexuality!? ofc you are because it has nothing to do with the glaring issues in this thread!

stealthsend is vaporware deal with it and lets talk about it

lol

Where am I questioning your sexuality? I am openly bisexual & mainly date transwomen. Why would I question your sexuality?
The gay dog video has nothing to do with you, if that's what you're going off.
The thread was getting too serious & I wanted to get a laugh out of people.
If it makes you happy, I'll let you quote me on this... "I have probably sucked more cock than LongAndShort."
You are grasping at straws at this point & you grabbed the wrong straw.
I guess at least you said "probably".

I don't like to assume anything without facts, unlike LongAndShort.
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
Avatars are overrated.
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

You made yourself the majority in this thread... in as little as 3 days. Bravo, my friend!

seriously is that all you have to say...even now..you are getting more and more desperate..whats next going to question my sexuality!? ofc you are because it has nothing to do with the glaring issues in this thread!

stealthsend is vaporware deal with it and lets talk about it

lol

Where am I questioning your sexuality? I am openly bisexual & mainly date transwomen. Why would I question your sexuality?
The gay dog video has nothing to do with you, if that's what you're going off.
The thread was getting too serious & I wanted to get a laugh out of people.
If it makes you happy, I'll let you quote me on this... "I have probably sucked more cock than LongAndShort."
You are grasping at straws at this point & you grabbed the wrong straw.
At least you said "probably".
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1050
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

Lets just assume these facts:

1. CryptoNote is a way to implement ring signatures into a blockchain
2. Chandran signature is a ring signature scheme with less space requirement

So, you are either saying:

1. CryptoNote is a scam, ring signatures could not be implemented !
2. Chandran signature paper is a lie, it doesn't provide a ring signature model !
3. Implementing Chandran signatures instead of normal ring signatures require more requisites.

If you are not completely retarded, your objection is number 3. Read this paper and tell me that requirement, as I haven't found any:
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~sahai/work/web/2007%20Publications/ICALP_Chandran2007.pdf

If you can't, just fuck off

sub-linear traceable ring signatures could operate on the same principle as what they are implying, but chandran signatures aren't linkable/traceable
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

Lets just assume these facts:

1. CryptoNote is a way to implement ring signatures into a blockchain
2. Chandran signature is a ring signature scheme with less space requirement

So, you are either saying:

1. CryptoNote is a scam, ring signatures could not be implemented !
2. Chandran signature paper is a lie, it doesn't provide a ring signature model !
3. Implementing Chandran signatures instead of normal ring signatures require more requisites.

If you are not completely retarded, your objection is number 3. Read this paper and tell me that requirement, as I haven't found any:
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~sahai/work/web/2007%20Publications/ICALP_Chandran2007.pdf

If you can't, just fuck off
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

You made yourself the majority in this thread... in as little as 3 days. Bravo, my friend!

seriously is that all you have to say...even now..you are getting more and more desperate..whats next going to question my sexuality!? ofc you are because it has nothing to do with the glaring issues in this thread!

stealthsend is vaporware deal with it and lets talk about it

Where am I questioning your sexuality? I am openly bisexual & mainly date transwomen. Why would I question your sexuality?
The gay dog video has nothing to do with you, if that's what you're going off.
The thread was getting too serious & I wanted to get a laugh out of people.
If it makes you happy, I'll let you quote me on this... "I have probably sucked more cock than LongAndShort."
You are grasping at straws at this point & you grabbed the wrong straw.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
Wanna know why Hondo wont answer to save all you from this Trolling because hes either A) gone left with the pump group... or B)Realizes that people have caught on to his vaporware and the fact that after 3 months he could only turn out copy and paste shitcoin and has no idea how to answer all these questions....He is most likely gone...  Just like your volume from BOB and just like bobs tech guy Coinada who was the senior member that used to hang around here and defend the coin and its tech..They left it in those gigantic dumps... but enjoy waiting and enjoy the butthurt...

Where is dev... he has gone ghost? volume die where is bob? this is a problem Undecided
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1050
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

You made yourself the majority in this thread... in as little as 3 days. Bravo, my friend!

seriously is that all you have to say...even now..you are getting more and more desperate..whats next going to question my sexuality!? ofc you are because it has nothing to do with the glaring issues in this thread!

stealthsend is vaporware deal with it and lets talk about it
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.

You made yourself the majority in this thread... in as little as 3 days. Bravo, my friend!
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1050
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

They are unlinkable/traceable in the way hondo is implying. Saying they are not, is the most ridiculous thing anyone that knows has heard. Kinda like him saying that stealth addresses are a working representation of PoSA..ridiculous!! Something you would expect from a dev/s who has ported most of his work and has gone as far as removing the copyright of razorcoins work and replaced it with their own. if you imply such standard is capable of implementing something that is not doable the way they are implying you also can join the ranks of the majority in this thread.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Why in the hell would Chandran signatures be unlinkable ?
Thats the most ridiculous  FUD I've ever seen. He's just trying to FUD for non-technical guys here. He doesn't know shit what he's talking about.

Do I need to repeat this ?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
You don't bring up shadowcoin in here?  Roll Eyes

It's worthless, why bother?
member
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Merit: 10
You don't bring up shadowcoin in here?  Roll Eyes
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