Hello, only RU bin ?
EU, US, SG ?
PM please
Topic: Anonymous crypto loadable bitcoin debit card - No KYC - Private Card Services - page 14. (Read 8295 times)
August 02, 2020, 06:10:00 PM
August 02, 2020, 02:02:37 PM
Service alive?
What is the cheapest card to convert btc to fiat?
What is the cheapest card to convert btc to fiat?
Hi,
Yes, the service is alive. Debit cards are in stock, shipment on the day of the order.
The cheapest option we have currently is Yandex money card: https://money.yandex.ru/cards/yacard This is a full-featured debit card with online access, decent limits and a possibility to generate virtual cards.
450 EUR per year/350 EUR extension for the next year
Should you have any questions, feel free to let us know.
July 28, 2020, 11:50:24 AM
Service alive?
What is the cheapest card to convert btc to fiat?
What is the cheapest card to convert btc to fiat?
July 18, 2020, 08:56:12 AM
I escrowed a deal between AlexPCS and a buyer of these cards. Everything went smooth - worked out and all parties were satisfied with the deal and the product.
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
uhh, can you ship me a card with a trial period as well?
Certainly, I've followed up via PM already.
July 17, 2020, 07:54:26 AM
I escrowed a deal between AlexPCS and a buyer of these cards. Everything went smooth - worked out and all parties were satisfied with the deal and the product.
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
uhh, can you ship me a card with a trial period as well?
July 13, 2020, 09:43:21 AM
I was very curious about this thread that I read all pages, but here's what I need to know:
does this card arrive in my country mozambique and work at ATMs?
I used wagecan and their Mastercard card worked very well in my country until I lost the card and to order again it will be very high cost
does this card arrive in my country mozambique and work at ATMs?
I used wagecan and their Mastercard card worked very well in my country until I lost the card and to order again it will be very high cost
Hi, nice to meet you.
We could ship the package to you with a 7-day trial period. You will have enough time to test whether the card works in your country. If the card does not work, you will send it back after the trial expires, otherwise we close the deal. Return shipping costs are covered by you. If you are interested - please let us know via PM.
July 11, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
I was very curious about this thread that I read all pages, but here's what I need to know:
does this card arrive in my country mozambique and work at ATMs?
I used wagecan and their Mastercard card worked very well in my country until I lost the card and to order again it will be very high cost
does this card arrive in my country mozambique and work at ATMs?
I used wagecan and their Mastercard card worked very well in my country until I lost the card and to order again it will be very high cost
July 07, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
I received the card and sim. Sim used to receive sms for secure mastercard code when pay in internet.
Thank you Hhampuz and AlexPCS to allow me a week to test the card.
back side
AlexPCS provided a list of exchanges to load the card and advice how to choose most suitable, load was very easy, on one exchange card was refilled after the fist bitcoin confirmation immediately and on other site after 3 confirmations.
As I understood exchanges work like sites for p2p payments because my load payment originated like p2p transfer but I do not know for sure. I inputed my 16 digit card number to make a refill request, all anonymous. Card was loaded in RUB, exchange rate was about 4-5% from market that I checked in coinmarketcap in average.
Card worked in internet without problems and was enrolled in my Scaleway hosting company account.
I cashed out twice 400 eur in total from ATM.
Thank you Hhampuz and AlexPCS to allow me a week to test the card.
back side
AlexPCS provided a list of exchanges to load the card and advice how to choose most suitable, load was very easy, on one exchange card was refilled after the fist bitcoin confirmation immediately and on other site after 3 confirmations.
As I understood exchanges work like sites for p2p payments because my load payment originated like p2p transfer but I do not know for sure. I inputed my 16 digit card number to make a refill request, all anonymous. Card was loaded in RUB, exchange rate was about 4-5% from market that I checked in coinmarketcap in average.
Card worked in internet without problems and was enrolled in my Scaleway hosting company account.
I cashed out twice 400 eur in total from ATM.
July 07, 2020, 06:56:23 AM
Considering that we are talking here about the Russian Bank, and the alleged Russian citizens who sell their legal bank cards to interested customers through intermediaries - there is something called Schengen Visa that every Russian citizen must get in order to enter the EU (legally of course). Such a visa is usually valid for a maximum of 90 days after it is issued, and the issuance of the visa and monitoring of its duration is supervised by the immigration authorities via a database.
First thing that you should know, is that an overstayed visa never goes unnoticed. The immigration authorities have registered in their databases every person that enters and leaves the Schengen, and every overstaying, even just for a day, is recorded. Secondly, intentional or unintentional, no overstaying is left unpunished. It could be a fine, immediate deportation or even getting banned from entering the Schengen Zone for a specific amount of time.
I am not misleading people or writing nonsense, there is nothing wrong with what I have stated in any post.
Again nonsense.
I guess you do not know that EU states can issue so called national visas that allow to stay 365 days a year in some EU country and 90 days in the whole EU.
I have had in the past D-type national Polish visa and stayed all the year in EU that way legally.
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/visas
I confirm again that the type of pan european monitoring you mentioned in your previous post exists only your mind.
July 07, 2020, 05:53:54 AM
Let me know please that pan european agency that controls residence/non residence status of all people in EU and then matches VISA/Mastercard transactions against that data? Do you really think it is possible, especially in terms of privacy regulations? 
My relative has obtained a residence permit in Poland and state authorities could not even check without his passport stamps how many days a year he stayed in EU.
What a nonsense!
Do not mislead people on the forum, your hypothesis is not your experience.
My relative has obtained a residence permit in Poland and state authorities could not even check without his passport stamps how many days a year he stayed in EU.
What a nonsense!
Do not mislead people on the forum, your hypothesis is not your experience.
Considering that we are talking here about the Russian Bank, and the alleged Russian citizens who sell their legal bank cards to interested customers through intermediaries - there is something called Schengen Visa that every Russian citizen must get in order to enter the EU (legally of course). Such a visa is usually valid for a maximum of 90 days after it is issued, and the issuance of the visa and monitoring of its duration is supervised by the immigration authorities via a database.
First thing that you should know, is that an overstayed visa never goes unnoticed. The immigration authorities have registered in their databases every person that enters and leaves the Schengen, and every overstaying, even just for a day, is recorded. Secondly, intentional or unintentional, no overstaying is left unpunished. It could be a fine, immediate deportation or even getting banned from entering the Schengen Zone for a specific amount of time.
I am not misleading people or writing nonsense, there is nothing wrong with what I have stated in any post.
July 06, 2020, 09:07:11 AM
What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?
Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648
VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?
Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648
VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist
What a 5-point score for you, congratulations in an attempt to portray Lucius as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about
Maybe you should look at the meaning of the word tourist and compare it to someone who is permanently resident in a country. A Russian tourist cannot come to France, Germany or the UK and be a tourist for a year legally, and whether anyone will be suspicious that a tourist from Russia uses his card in those countries all year round without actually ever leaving his country is a question for those dealing with the prevention of money laundering, terrorist financing or tax evasion.
Since some consider this service to be something completely legal and normal, I will try to seek the opinion of some relevant participants in the whole story - so I will start from the bank that issued the card, and various EU agencies that deal with such things.
Let me know please that pan european agency that controls residence/non residence status of all people in EU and then matches VISA/Mastercard transactions against that data? Do you really think it is possible, especially in terms of privacy regulations?
My relative has obtained a residence permit in Poland and state authorities could not even check without his passport stamps how many days a year he stayed in EU.
What a nonsense!
Do not mislead people on the forum, your hypothesis is not your experience.
July 04, 2020, 07:41:49 AM
What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?
Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648
VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?
Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648
VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist
What a 5-point score for you, congratulations in an attempt to portray Lucius as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about
Maybe you should look at the meaning of the word tourist and compare it to someone who is permanently resident in a country. A Russian tourist cannot come to France, Germany or the UK and be a tourist for a year legally, and whether anyone will be suspicious that a tourist from Russia uses his card in those countries all year round without actually ever leaving his country is a question for those dealing with the prevention of money laundering, terrorist financing or tax evasion.
Since some consider this service to be something completely legal and normal, I will try to seek the opinion of some relevant participants in the whole story - so I will start from the bank that issued the card, and various EU agencies that deal with such things.
July 03, 2020, 08:38:21 AM
I escrowed a deal between AlexPCS and a buyer of these cards. Everything went smooth - worked out and all parties were satisfied with the deal and the product.
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!
July 03, 2020, 06:01:10 AM
Gentlemen, we've had a very productive discussion here. Let's keep it this way Other than that JollyGood please take a look at LeGaulois post, he has added the image of the card. You were inquiring about it before.
Other than that JollyGood please take a look at LeGaulois post, he has added the image of the card. You were inquiring about it before.How much my knowledge of Cyrillic serves me (and I was forced to learn it in school), the card was issued by a Russian BTБ (VTB) bank https://www.vtb.ru/ . I had a personal suspicion that it was not a bank in the EU, and the card only confirms that. Given the sanctions that Russia has, all transactions are under control and everything suspiciously is reported.
What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?
Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648
VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist
July 01, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
I directed my response to what gentlemand posted and it was the first post I made in this thread where I stated the specific concerns, I think that was constructive enough on my part though others might disagree.
Thank you for your opinions about my posts
Thanks for your feedback, Jolly. You seem to be simply rephrasing what you've already written before Please be more constructive, so you could really contribute to this thread, your opinion matters.
Regards.
Thank you for your opinions about my posts
What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.
My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
Thanks for your feedback, Jolly. You seem to be simply rephrasing what you've already written before
Please be more constructive, so you could really contribute to this thread, your opinion matters.Regards.
July 01, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.
My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
Thanks for your feedback, Jolly. You seem to be simply rephrasing what you've already written before
Please be more constructive, so you could really contribute to this thread, your opinion matters.Regards.
July 01, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.
My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.
July 01, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
If it works who cares if it's Russian?
BTW, I don't see any information about how long it takes to load the card.
BTW, I don't see any information about how long it takes to load the card.
Of course, it works, the card is legitimately issued by one of the largest Russian banks in the name of some real person. But if you ever get into a situation where you have to explain where your card came from and why you use another person's official document, good luck with that.
A debit card isn't an official document. Still, the buyer has to trust that the seller didn't to anything fishy to acquire the card. It all might be perfectly legal in Russia where the card is likely to have been issued (it could also have been issued in one of the other countries where VTB has branches).
Loading card is not a problem, but you should keep in mind that there are a number of possible fees here. First fees for converting BTC to Russian rouble since card is issued in that currency, then from rouble to EUR and if you are not in eurozone one more conversion in local currency.
I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.
I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.
Yes, OP mentioned FX fees are 1-3%, but he didn't mention whether it costs anything to load the card, or which exchange rate is used.
From our experience it takes 5-10 minutes to load the card after the transaction is confirmed. We are talking about loading via one of the instant exchange services from bestchange.com You see your price instantly on the order form, it is usually locked for 30 mins. Most of time price is a few % from the actual market. Your order is assigned a unique ID, which you can always use to inquire regarding the status of your exchange.
The debit card which we offer is a tool, loading the card via one of the instant exchanges from bestchange.com is just one of examples how the card cab be used. I believe that feedback and actual usage examples of our first clients from Bitcointalk will be more demonstrative.
June 28, 2020, 03:36:33 PM
I received my card as well some days ago.
As I told we agreed to have a week test period after which the seller gets my deposit from the escrow.
I will make my necessary payments during the week and will share my feedback.
As I told we agreed to have a week test period after which the seller gets my deposit from the escrow.
I will make my necessary payments during the week and will share my feedback.
June 28, 2020, 07:24:31 AM
Of course, it works, the card is legitimately issued by one of the largest Russian banks in the name of some real person. But if you ever get into a situation where you have to explain where your card came from and why you use another person's official document, good luck with that.
A debit card isn't an official document. Still, the buyer has to trust that the seller didn't to anything fishy to acquire the card. It all might be perfectly legal in Russia where the card is likely to have been issued (it could also have been issued in one of the other countries where VTB has branches).
Loading card is not a problem, but you should keep in mind that there are a number of possible fees here. First fees for converting BTC to Russian rouble since card is issued in that currency, then from rouble to EUR and if you are not in eurozone one more conversion in local currency.
I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.
I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.
Yes, OP mentioned FX fees are 1-3%, but he didn't mention whether it costs anything to load the card, or which exchange rate is used.
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