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Quote from: malevolent on May 09, 2020, 03:38:20 AM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Pricey unless the user is making use of close to the maximum allowed monthly turnover.

Or does that mean loading with BTC and making payments and ATM withdrawals don't carry any fees even if the currency is other than EUR?

I would say hardly anybody could define the relevant price for anonymity nowadays. It's a relative thing and people are ready to pay for it. If you divide the yearly service fee by the max. turnover per year you would see that your price for anonymity is less than 1% which I think is acceptable.

Certain types of transactions of course incur some fees, like card2card and bank transfers, for ATM there is a limit which can be withdrawn at no fee (varies depending on the bank). POS and online transactions, virtual card issuance (where applicable) are free. Currency conversion spread is usually 1-3% from FX.

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Each service has its price, so I can understand that almost 1000 EUR for something like this may be appropriate price. But I would like to clarify some things, because I leave the possibility that I misunderstood something.

1. The card is issued by a bank in the country where the crypto is legal?
2. The card is issued in the name of a real person in that country, who personally opens an account and picks up the card at the bank?
3. I buy that card for 950 EUR (per year) and get it at my home address?
4. What about taxes given the amount of money that can be transferred via card? Won't the actual cardholder have to explain why he spends a possibly significant amount of money in a country he doesn't actually live in or has never even visited?

I can assume with great certainty that something like this cannot be made possible in the EU or the USA, no bank can operate in this way without being within the legal framework.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Pricey unless the user is making use of close to the maximum allowed monthly turnover.

Or does that mean loading with BTC and making payments and ATM withdrawals don't carry any fees even if the currency is other than EUR?

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Quote from: act now on May 07, 2020, 04:42:17 AM

It sounds interesting.
But what happens if bank closes the card for crypto usage? Moneyback?
I had bad experience in the past using BUNQ+Kraken. It was approved by BUNQ from the beginning but after several withdrawals account was suspended.

In the country where cards are issued the cryptocurrencies are not prohibited. When you make an exchange via 3rd party exchange service, funds is coming via a p2p card transaction between 2 users, there is no explicit "crypto usage" as you mention. We assist with any requests which might come from the bank. Card will be terminated if you use it for unlawful activities described in the initial post.

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It sounds interesting.
But what happens if bank closes the card for crypto usage? Moneyback?
I had bad experience in the past using BUNQ+Kraken. It was approved by BUNQ from the beginning but after several withdrawals account was suspended.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 05, 2020, 04:07:41 PM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 05, 2020, 03:58:27 PM

All right, although I read this forum for almost 10 years - I am still noone for you. That's the main reason for your mistrust. I understand this and it's totally logical.

I should think my local bus driver knows I'm a BTC owner so my need for anonymity was shredded long ago.

Your service could be superb but it's an undeniably precarious string of circumstances. Anyone having a go should go into it with their eyes open.

There are so many online services (like Amazon etc.) which do not support Bitcoin and where people still need to pay with a card. Hardly any of these services will be aware that you are a BTC owner Wink

Same goes for ATMs, POS locations and so on around the world. I hope not all the bus drivers are so insightful

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 05, 2020, 03:58:27 PM

All right, although I read this forum for almost 10 years - I am still noone for you. That's the main reason for your mistrust. I understand this and it's totally logical.

I should think my local bus driver knows I'm a BTC owner so my need for anonymity was shredded long ago.

Your service could be superb but it's an undeniably precarious string of circumstances. Anyone having a go should go into it with their eyes open.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 05, 2020, 03:24:55 PM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 05, 2020, 03:21:00 PM

Yes, escrow is included in the initial cost.

You are respected and trustworthy member of the community. We do not have any reasons against sending you the debit card package upfront with a 7 day trial period. If you don't like it after the trial period ends, you can just return the package back (backwards shipping cost is covered by you), otherwise you can make the payment and proceed using the card.

Thanks for the offer but I'll leave it be. It may well be fine but it feels a little like a dodgy Netflix account that could evaporate any second, but you may have a whole lot more money tied up in it.

I can imagine this is the only viable way to do something like this but it's a kludge with a lot of potential pressure points.

All right, although I read this forum for almost 10 years - I am still noone for you. That's the main reason for your mistrust. I understand this and it's totally logical.

I can offer you to be the first one on this forum to do the "test drive" of our product. You will receive 1st year service free and the 500 EUR balance insurance amount which we guarantee will be deposited to the escrow of your choice: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-bitcointalks-escrow-providers-ranking-blacklist-avoid-scam-276897

The only thing we ask from you in return is an impersonal and unbiased review about our service.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 05, 2020, 03:21:00 PM

Yes, escrow is included in the initial cost.

You are respected and trustworthy member of the community. We do not have any reasons against sending you the debit card package upfront with a 7 day trial period. If you don't like it after the trial period ends, you can just return the package back (backwards shipping cost is covered by you), otherwise you can make the payment and proceed using the card.

Thanks for the offer but I'll leave it be. It may well be fine but it feels a little like a dodgy Netflix account that could evaporate any second, but you may have a whole lot more money tied up in it.

I can imagine this is the only viable way to do something like this but it's a kludge with a lot of potential pressure points.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 05, 2020, 02:48:26 PM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Does the escrow involve the initial cost too?

The last time a card of this nature popped up the person offering it charged 200 Euros upfront. When they were satisfied with their haul they told everyone in the thread they were morons and disappeared.

I think I'd rather find the nearest wino and funnel everything through their ID. At least I'd know where to find them to kick them until they were dead if they annoyed me.

Yes, escrow is included in the initial cost.

You are respected and trustworthy member of the community. We do not have any reasons against sending you the debit card package upfront with a 7 day trial period. If you don't like it after the trial period ends, you can just return the package back (backwards shipping cost is covered by you), otherwise you can make the payment and proceed using the card.

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Quote from: hugeblack on May 05, 2020, 12:28:30 PM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- It is NOT a company card. Each card is registered under an individual

When you talk about individuals, did you get permission from them before allowing others to use their cards? Can I guarantee that you took permission from them?
What guarantees that these cards are not stolen or issued illegally? When I request it via the Internet, the police will search for my address, not your address.
Since you are an unknown service, how will it be dealt with when I cross the limits? We all know that some docs will be required after that limits.

Hi,

- The cards are issued by regulated banks, card pickup is only possible in person in the bank branch. We have a private agreement with nominees, they give their consent for 3rd party usage. The individual receives a nominee fee for providing this service.
- Banks have their own "technical" limits, which restrict the amount you can withdraw via ATM, POS transactions volumes etc. and they vary depending on the bank you choose. The limits which you see in the product description above are set by our service. Based on our own experience there is a low probability that you will encounter additional compliance checks if you follow them.
- We do not intervene into our clients' business. In case there are additional checks from the side of the bank - we can assist and serve as intermediary, however you will need to provide explanations from your side.

Should you have any further questions, feel free to let us know.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Does the escrow involve the initial cost too?

The last time a card of this nature popped up the person offering it charged 200 Euros upfront. When they were satisfied with their haul they told everyone in the thread they were morons and disappeared.

I think I'd rather find the nearest wino and funnel everything through their ID. At least I'd know where to find them to kick them until they were dead if they annoyed me.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- It is NOT a company card. Each card is registered under an individual

When you talk about individuals, did you get permission from them before allowing others to use their cards? Can I guarantee that you took permission from them?
What guarantees that these cards are not stolen or issued illegally? When I request it via the Internet, the police will search for my address, not your address.
Since you are an unknown service, how will it be dealt with when I cross the limits? We all know that some docs will be required after that limits.

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Quote from: Dijital Para on May 04, 2020, 08:37:48 AM

Quote from: countryfree on May 01, 2020, 11:13:58 AM

Such a service would be illegal in the European Union.

Do you think you can be totally anonymous today and observe a law? Cheesy

Does the card come with payment verification feature like secure mastercard code or verified by visa?
Some sites make it impossible to pay without it.

Hi,

You are talking about 3D-secure. Yes, the debit cards which we provide support that feature, you won't have any problems paying online.

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Quote from: countryfree on May 01, 2020, 11:13:58 AM

Such a service would be illegal in the European Union.

Do you think you can be totally anonymous today and observe a law? Cheesy

Does the card come with payment verification feature like secure mastercard code or verified by visa?
Some sites make it impossible to pay without it.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on May 01, 2020, 06:15:21 AM

Some questions quickly:

- No website or information on who is behind the service.?
- Client support provided where?
- Is it a company card? The nominee makes me think it is
- Price?

We've noticed you have a great thread with a list of current debit card providers here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/carte-bancaire-bitcoin-et-autres-cryptomonnaies-5223719

As a Copper Member Legendary we are ready to offer you a debit card package during 1st year for free, in an exchange for unbiased review about our service. Feel free to drop your contact via PM.
Thanks.

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Quote from: unouresha on May 01, 2020, 01:26:15 PM

Do you happen to have a website or something more convincing than a simple thread on a forum?

We hope that readiness to work via a trusted escrow service will be more convincing for our clients. We understand your concerns however.
The website is in the process.

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Do you happen to have a website or something more convincing than a simple thread on a forum?

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Quote from: countryfree on May 01, 2020, 11:13:58 AM

Such a service would be illegal in the European Union.

Thanks, but we do not perceive the nominal services to be illegal in the EU.

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Such a service would be illegal in the European Union.

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