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Quote from: gentlemand on June 17, 2020, 04:47:05 PM

The name of the card issuer is kind of irrelevant.

The bank is actually irrelevant, it can be any bank in the EU or abroad. The fact is that this service consists of you as a customer paying a certain fee for an account that someone will open in his name, and you then perform your transactions without worrying about paying taxes. Although the OP has obviously found a way to organize the whole service and I have no doubt that for now the whole thing works, some moral or ethical question arises from the fact that you are using the bank card and SIM card of another completely unknown person.

I do not need such a service for now, but I understand that there are people who ask for anonymity and are willing to pay for it, and do not have any moral or ethical doubts about such service.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 17, 2020, 04:43:31 PM

Many thanks, it would be really interesting to see which the card issuer is and also what implications with regards to legality it will have on various jurisdictions.

The name of the card issuer is kind of irrelevant. As far as they're concerned it's a completely normal bank account like all the millions of others they run. It's the fooling them aspect that's the sketchy angle of the whole thing.

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Many thanks, it would be really interesting to see which the card issuer is and also what implications with regards to legality it will have on various jurisdictions.

Quote from: LeGaulois on June 17, 2020, 02:30:13 PM

I received the card, it took some time because the post office doesn't work properly in my country due to COVID19.
I will post an image tomorrow with a few details

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I received the card, it took some time because the post office doesn't work properly in my country due to COVID19.
I will post an image tomorrow with a few details
(still can't host an image due to my very high-speed internet connection: download 1.19 Mbps- Upload 0.09Mbps, yes you can laugh)

The card comes with a document and a SIM card. Once received I got every instruction needed to use it. I will share my experience with it from time to time. I plan to use it with ATMs, POS, and online

edit to re-upload the image
https://imgur.com/a/EXoK4in

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 12, 2020, 04:36:18 PM

Would you be able to post a screenshot of the card (minus your 16 digit number and private details of course), I am curious to know the name of the brand or card issuer.

I am a highly skeptical person and it takes a lot to make me shift my thinking one way or another from my gut instinct and I am not convinced by what I read from the OP but will hold back further comments until I have more information about what is going on.

As there is no website therefore there are no terms and conditions etc and of course there are no LTD/LLC to deal with in the event a user becomes a victim and decides to take legal action in a Court - it is all anonymous therefore anybody dealing with the OP should proceed with extreme caution.

Quote from: Dijital Para on June 11, 2020, 06:22:36 AM

I made a deposit to the escrow @Hhampuz and the card was shipped yesterday.
I will write here my feedback later.

Yes, I will share my experience.
I am a little bit skeptical as well, for this reason we agreed to have some test period after which the seller gets the deposit from the escrow.

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Would you be able to post a screenshot of the card (minus your 16 digit number and private details of course), I am curious to know the name of the brand or card issuer.

I am a highly skeptical person and it takes a lot to make me shift my thinking one way or another from my gut instinct and I am not convinced by what I read from the OP but will hold back further comments until I have more information about what is going on.

As there is no website therefore there are no terms and conditions etc and of course there are no LTD/LLC to deal with in the event a user becomes a victim and decides to take legal action in a Court - it is all anonymous therefore anybody dealing with the OP should proceed with extreme caution.

Quote from: Dijital Para on June 11, 2020, 06:22:36 AM

I made a deposit to the escrow @Hhampuz and the card was shipped yesterday.
I will write here my feedback later.

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I made a deposit to the escrow @Hhampuz and the card was shipped yesterday.
I will write here my feedback later.

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Quote from: Dijital Para on May 22, 2020, 11:52:22 AM

If you are really ready to work via escrow and give me some period for the test then I am interested.

I contacted some trusted escrow members from the forum, but I need to talk first with you how we can make everything safe.
I sent you a PM.

Thanks, discussed everything via PM.

New types of cards are in stock with more flexible pricing.

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If you are really ready to work via escrow and give me some period for the test then I am interested.

I contacted some trusted escrow members from the forum, but I need to talk first with you how we can make everything safe.
I sent you a PM.

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Quote from: fuckfbi on May 18, 2020, 02:58:16 PM

too much talk

Quite a meaningful post after 2 years of silence Grin

Right out of crypto-winter hibernation

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Quote from: jakedeez on May 16, 2020, 03:43:57 PM

I had such a card issued in the name of some Bulgarian guy but when it was due for renewal I could not do anything Grin

it has been very useful.
This is a great service if managed by honest people.

Hi. So why couldn't you do anything? That's actually one of the reasons why we have a yearly fee, so the debit card can be serviced accordingly and such cases like yours are avoided.

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I had such a card issued in the name of some Bulgarian guy but when it was due for renewal I could not do anything Grin

it has been very useful.
This is a great service if managed by honest people.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 11, 2020, 05:26:52 AM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 10, 2020, 03:36:55 PM

1. There are not so many countries where crypto is regulated currently. In this country it is not prohibited and is not considered something unlawful.
2. Exactly.
3. That's right, also the sim-card, which is connected to the account/card (to receive authorization codes) and a smartphone (optional, by request) with installed bank app.
4. We mainly work with NON-residents, so the individual is not a subject to tax in the country of the bank where the account/card is applied for. Besides that bank does control physical location and where the person is traveling.

Thanks for the additional clarifications. I understand how the whole thing works, but personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing financial transactions through a bank account opened in someone else’s name. Taking someone's identity to avoid paying taxes is definitely a crime, regardless of the consent of the persons who agree to open accounts and sell them to other persons.

In addition, the bank can close such an account at any time if it suspects any illegal activities, and the actual cardholder can be very easily identified through cameras located in ATMs or at places where it pays via POS devices.

Thank you for reply.

Gents, the current bank system based on FIAT works on the same principles throughout the world, which eliminate the possibility to have an anonymous payment card. First of all we provide a nominee service which is an instrument that everyone is using at his/her own discretion. You are stating that nominee service is illegal, which is not correct.

Rules are explicitly outlined in the initial post. This is the crucial point of our service: if you want the product to run long and stable without locks and additional checks, you must strictly observe the rules. Cameras located in ATMs, POS terminals are there to track and prevent crimes related to stolen/hacked cards. Nobody is going to track you if you are making a legitimate transaction.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 10, 2020, 03:36:55 PM

1. There are not so many countries where crypto is regulated currently. In this country it is not prohibited and is not considered something unlawful.
2. Exactly.
3. That's right, also the sim-card, which is connected to the account/card (to receive authorization codes) and a smartphone (optional, by request) with installed bank app.
4. We mainly work with NON-residents, so the individual is not a subject to tax in the country of the bank where the account/card is applied for. Besides that bank does control physical location and where the person is traveling.

Thanks for the additional clarifications. I understand how the whole thing works, but personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing financial transactions through a bank account opened in someone else’s name. Taking someone's identity to avoid paying taxes is definitely a crime, regardless of the consent of the persons who agree to open accounts and sell them to other persons.

In addition, the bank can close such an account at any time if it suspects any illegal activities, and the actual cardholder can be very easily identified through cameras located in ATMs or at places where it pays via POS devices.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 09, 2020, 08:47:09 AM

Each service has its price, so I can understand that almost 1000 EUR for something like this may be appropriate price. But I would like to clarify some things, because I leave the possibility that I misunderstood something.

1. The card is issued by a bank in the country where the crypto is legal?
2. The card is issued in the name of a real person in that country, who personally opens an account and picks up the card at the bank?
3. I buy that card for 950 EUR (per year) and get it at my home address?
4. What about taxes given the amount of money that can be transferred via card? Won't the actual cardholder have to explain why he spends a possibly significant amount of money in a country he doesn't actually live in or has never even visited?

I can assume with great certainty that something like this cannot be made possible in the EU or the USA, no bank can operate in this way without being within the legal framework.

1. There are not so many countries where crypto is regulated currently. In this country it is not prohibited and is not considered something unlawful.
2. Exactly.
3. That's right, also the sim-card, which is connected to the account/card (to receive authorization codes) and a smartphone (optional, by request) with installed bank app.
4. We mainly work with NON-residents, so the individual is not a subject to tax in the country of the bank where the account/card is applied for. Besides that bank does control physical location and where the person is traveling.

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Quote from: malevolent on May 09, 2020, 03:38:20 AM

Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Pricey unless the user is making use of close to the maximum allowed monthly turnover.

Or does that mean loading with BTC and making payments and ATM withdrawals don't carry any fees even if the currency is other than EUR?

I would say hardly anybody could define the relevant price for anonymity nowadays. It's a relative thing and people are ready to pay for it. If you divide the yearly service fee by the max. turnover per year you would see that your price for anonymity is less than 1% which I think is acceptable.

Certain types of transactions of course incur some fees, like card2card and bank transfers, for ATM there is a limit which can be withdrawn at no fee (varies depending on the bank). POS and online transactions, virtual card issuance (where applicable) are free. Currency conversion spread is usually 1-3% from FX.

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Each service has its price, so I can understand that almost 1000 EUR for something like this may be appropriate price. But I would like to clarify some things, because I leave the possibility that I misunderstood something.

1. The card is issued by a bank in the country where the crypto is legal?
2. The card is issued in the name of a real person in that country, who personally opens an account and picks up the card at the bank?
3. I buy that card for 950 EUR (per year) and get it at my home address?
4. What about taxes given the amount of money that can be transferred via card? Won't the actual cardholder have to explain why he spends a possibly significant amount of money in a country he doesn't actually live in or has never even visited?

I can assume with great certainty that something like this cannot be made possible in the EU or the USA, no bank can operate in this way without being within the legal framework.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on May 01, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

- Price 950 EUR per year/800 EUR extension

Pricey unless the user is making use of close to the maximum allowed monthly turnover.

Or does that mean loading with BTC and making payments and ATM withdrawals don't carry any fees even if the currency is other than EUR?

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Quote from: act now on May 07, 2020, 04:42:17 AM

It sounds interesting.
But what happens if bank closes the card for crypto usage? Moneyback?
I had bad experience in the past using BUNQ+Kraken. It was approved by BUNQ from the beginning but after several withdrawals account was suspended.

In the country where cards are issued the cryptocurrencies are not prohibited. When you make an exchange via 3rd party exchange service, funds is coming via a p2p card transaction between 2 users, there is no explicit "crypto usage" as you mention. We assist with any requests which might come from the bank. Card will be terminated if you use it for unlawful activities described in the initial post.

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