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Quote from: Lucius on July 04, 2020, 07:41:49 AM

Quote from: act now on July 03, 2020, 06:01:10 AM

What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?

Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648

VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist Grin

What a 5-point score for you, congratulations in an attempt to portray Lucius as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about Wink

Maybe you should look at the meaning of the word tourist and compare it to someone who is permanently resident in a country. A Russian tourist cannot come to France, Germany or the UK and be a tourist for a year legally, and whether anyone will be suspicious that a tourist from Russia uses his card in those countries all year round without actually ever leaving his country is a question for those dealing with the prevention of money laundering, terrorist financing or tax evasion.

Since some consider this service to be something completely legal and normal, I will try to seek the opinion of some relevant participants in the whole story - so I will start from the bank that issued the card, and various EU agencies that deal with such things.

Let me know please that pan european agency that controls residence/non residence status of all people in EU and then matches VISA/Mastercard transactions against that data? Do you really think it is possible, especially in terms of privacy regulations? Shocked

My relative has obtained a residence permit in Poland and state authorities could not even check without his passport stamps how many days a year he stayed in EU.
What a nonsense!
Do not mislead people on the forum, your hypothesis is not your experience.

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Quote from: act now on July 03, 2020, 06:01:10 AM

What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?

Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648

VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist Grin

What a 5-point score for you, congratulations in an attempt to portray Lucius as a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about Wink

Maybe you should look at the meaning of the word tourist and compare it to someone who is permanently resident in a country. A Russian tourist cannot come to France, Germany or the UK and be a tourist for a year legally, and whether anyone will be suspicious that a tourist from Russia uses his card in those countries all year round without actually ever leaving his country is a question for those dealing with the prevention of money laundering, terrorist financing or tax evasion.

Since some consider this service to be something completely legal and normal, I will try to seek the opinion of some relevant participants in the whole story - so I will start from the bank that issued the card, and various EU agencies that deal with such things.

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Meh.

I escrowed a deal between AlexPCS and a buyer of these cards. Everything went smooth - worked out and all parties were satisfied with the deal and the product.

Pleasure doing business with you AlexPCS!

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Quote from: Lucius on June 27, 2020, 05:35:12 AM

Quote from: AlexPCS on June 25, 2020, 10:14:51 AM

Gentlemen, we've had a very productive discussion here. Let's keep it this way

Other than that JollyGood please take a look at LeGaulois post, he has added the image of the card. You were inquiring about it before.

How much my knowledge of Cyrillic serves me (and I was forced to learn it in school), the card was issued by a Russian BTБ (VTB) bank https://www.vtb.ru/ . I had a personal suspicion that it was not a bank in the EU, and the card only confirms that. Given the sanctions that Russia has, all transactions are under control and everything suspiciously is reported.

What a nonsense!
You do not understand what sanctions mean. Sanctions disallow some certain operations for some certain bank or institution. Did you take a look at "the sanctions that Russia has"?

Please read the original as you studied russian at school:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/31/07/2014/570420109a794760d3d40648

VTB was denied from european credit market, political target was to limit Russia to get currency from abroad but not to control every single operation of every russian tourist Grin

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I directed my response to what gentlemand posted and it was the first post I made in this thread where I stated the specific concerns, I think that was constructive enough on my part though others might disagree.

Thank you for your opinions about my posts Wink

Quote from: AlexPCS on July 01, 2020, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 01, 2020, 11:12:40 AM

What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.

Quote from: gentlemand on June 27, 2020, 06:04:16 AM

My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.

I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.

Thanks for your feedback, Jolly. You seem to be simply rephrasing what you've already written before Wink

Please be more constructive, so you could really contribute to this thread, your opinion matters.

Regards.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 01, 2020, 11:12:40 AM

What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.

Quote from: gentlemand on June 27, 2020, 06:04:16 AM

My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.

I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.

Thanks for your feedback, Jolly. You seem to be simply rephrasing what you've already written before Wink

Please be more constructive, so you could really contribute to this thread, your opinion matters.

Regards.

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What I understand from this service is that it is designed to circumvent official allowed methods of obtaining the card. I am fairly sure this is not the best way to have a card that can be loaded with crypto because it is not official and offers no protection for the end user and could result in legal problems and governmental investigations for the person that has the card on their name depending on whether any transactions have been made that could be deemed to be questionable.

Quote from: gentlemand on June 27, 2020, 06:04:16 AM

My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.

I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.

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Quote from: malevolent on June 27, 2020, 01:02:27 PM

If it works who cares if it's Russian?

BTW, I don't see any information about how long it takes to load the card.

Quote from: malevolent on June 28, 2020, 07:24:31 AM

Quote from: Lucius on June 28, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Of course, it works, the card is legitimately issued by one of the largest Russian banks in the name of some real person. But if you ever get into a situation where you have to explain where your card came from and why you use another person's official document, good luck with that.

A debit card isn't an official document. Still, the buyer has to trust that the seller didn't to anything fishy to acquire the card. It all might be perfectly legal in Russia where the card is likely to have been issued (it could also have been issued in one of the other countries where VTB has branches).

Quote from: Lucius on June 28, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Loading card is not a problem, but you should keep in mind that there are a number of possible fees here. First fees for converting BTC to Russian rouble since card is issued in that currency, then from rouble to EUR and if you are not in eurozone one more conversion in local currency.

I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.

Yes, OP mentioned FX fees are 1-3%, but he didn't mention whether it costs anything to load the card, or which exchange rate is used.

From our experience it takes 5-10 minutes to load the card after the transaction is confirmed. We are talking about loading via one of the instant exchange services from bestchange.com You see your price instantly on the order form, it is usually locked for 30 mins. Most of time price is a few % from the actual market. Your order is assigned a unique ID, which you can always use to inquire regarding the status of your exchange.

The debit card which we offer is a tool, loading the card via one of the instant exchanges from bestchange.com is just one of examples how the card cab be used. I believe that feedback and actual usage examples of our first clients from Bitcointalk will be more demonstrative.

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I received my card as well some days ago.
As I told we agreed to have a week test period after which the seller gets my deposit from the escrow.
I will make my necessary payments during the week and will share my feedback.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 28, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Of course, it works, the card is legitimately issued by one of the largest Russian banks in the name of some real person. But if you ever get into a situation where you have to explain where your card came from and why you use another person's official document, good luck with that.

A debit card isn't an official document. Still, the buyer has to trust that the seller didn't to anything fishy to acquire the card. It all might be perfectly legal in Russia where the card is likely to have been issued (it could also have been issued in one of the other countries where VTB has branches).

Quote from: Lucius on June 28, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Loading card is not a problem, but you should keep in mind that there are a number of possible fees here. First fees for converting BTC to Russian rouble since card is issued in that currency, then from rouble to EUR and if you are not in eurozone one more conversion in local currency.

I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.

Yes, OP mentioned FX fees are 1-3%, but he didn't mention whether it costs anything to load the card, or which exchange rate is used.

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Thank you for your post. I was not offended

Quote from: jakedeez on June 25, 2020, 03:11:53 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on June 22, 2020, 05:44:43 PM

I mentioned the word "unethical" once. Which user said it all the time? Can you provide a link to which users are saying it all the time?

literally you wrote this word once, however your previous posts seemed to have the same subtext
sorry to offend you, I did not intend to do it
peace out

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Quote from: malevolent on June 27, 2020, 01:02:27 PM

If it works who cares if it's Russian?

Of course, it works, the card is legitimately issued by one of the largest Russian banks in the name of some real person. But if you ever get into a situation where you have to explain where your card came from and why you use another person's official document, good luck with that.

Loading card is not a problem, but you should keep in mind that there are a number of possible fees here. First fees for converting BTC to Russian rouble since card is issued in that currency, then from rouble to EUR and if you are not in eurozone one more conversion in local currency.

I'm not saying that this kind of service doesn't make sense, of course it does for everyone who wants to avoid paying taxes, but you need to look at the bigger picture and understand what it's really about.

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If it works who cares if it's Russian?

BTW, I don't see any information about how long it takes to load the card.

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My local shop would be rather surprised if I'd changed my name to Vitaly Kevchenko or something, but I can't remember the last time anyone checked a card I was using.

I'm not sure how fragile their relationships with card issuers would be, but it's certainly not going to be as robust as any Western operation. Like anything in cryptoland I would load and empty ASAP and not be all that surprised if it evaporated.

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Quote from: AlexPCS on June 25, 2020, 10:14:51 AM

Gentlemen, we've had a very productive discussion here. Let's keep it this way

Other than that JollyGood please take a look at LeGaulois post, he has added the image of the card. You were inquiring about it before.

How much my knowledge of Cyrillic serves me (and I was forced to learn it in school), the card was issued by a Russian BTБ (VTB) bank https://www.vtb.ru/ . I had a personal suspicion that it was not a bank in the EU, and the card only confirms that. Given the sanctions that Russia has, all transactions are under control and everything suspiciously is reported.

Using a card like this on an ATM would make some sense to me, but for paying on POS devices in a place where more or less everyone knows me, it would attract attention. Card issued in someone else's name, in Cyrillic and owned by a Russian bank = big red flag.

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Meanwhile FCA imposes a set of requirements on Wirecard's authorization, Proof: https://www.fca.org.uk/news/news-stories/requirements-imposed-wirecard-authorisation

Wirecard is no longer permitted to conduct any regulated activities. It's interesting to follow how 3rd party services which use Wirecard will challenge that.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on June 17, 2020, 02:30:13 PM

I received the card, it took some time because the post office doesn't work properly in my country due to COVID19.
I will post an image tomorrow with a few details
(still can't host an image due to my very high-speed internet connection: download 1.19 Mbps- Upload 0.09Mbps, yes you can laugh)

The card comes with a document and a SIM card. Once received I got every instruction needed to use it. I will share my experience with it from time to time. I plan to use it with ATMs, POS, and online

Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 07:58:45 AM

Thank you for your feedback, I do not have you on my IGNORE list.

Until the time when someone who receives their card and posts their feedback I will reserve my comments because there is an unethical side to this manner of getting the card regardless of what the definition of wisdom might be in this case however your points have been noted.

Quote from: Lucius on June 18, 2020, 07:43:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 07:30:32 AM

Maybe so but it would make very interesting reading. Just exactly how they are operating is the thing I am curious about. After any forum member that receives their card from the OP leaves feedback along with photos of the card (minus private details) others including myself might be able to post constructive comments. There are several aspects of this whole process that do not make sense so when users post their feedback it will help shed some light on things that might be somewhat hazy right now.

I don't understand what you don't understand about how this service works? I've written a few times but here's another one if you haven't put me on ignore or it won't be hard for you to read.

OP is find people (or he is get access to people documents), and then account is open in some bank. That person is then deliver plastic card with all data to OP, and he is then sell that card to you. You pay for this service a little less than 1000 EUR per year, and that money is divided between the OP and the actual cardholder. The process is quite simple, there isn’t some great wisdom in how the whole thing works.

Gentlemen, we've had a very productive discussion here. Let's keep it this way

Other than that JollyGood please take a look at LeGaulois post, he has added the image of the card. You were inquiring about it before.

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 22, 2020, 05:44:43 PM

I mentioned the word "unethical" once. Which user said it all the time? Can you provide a link to which users are saying it all the time?

literally you wrote this word once, however your previous posts seemed to have the same subtext
sorry to offend you, I did not intend to do it
peace out

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I mentioned the word "unethical" once. Which user said it all the time? Can you provide a link to which users are saying it all the time?

Quote from: jakedeez on June 22, 2020, 03:50:48 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 07:58:45 AM

Until the time when someone who receives their card and posts their feedback I will reserve my comments because there is an unethical side to this manner of getting the card regardless of what the definition of wisdom might be in this case however your points have been noted.

hey, what "unethical side" are you talking about all the time??

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Quote from: JollyGood on June 18, 2020, 07:58:45 AM

Until the time when someone who receives their card and posts their feedback I will reserve my comments because there is an unethical side to this manner of getting the card regardless of what the definition of wisdom might be in this case however your points have been noted.

hey, what "unethical side" are you talking about all the time?? OP cardholder and client are satisfied.
Again - cardholder does it on his own and gets money for it, it is business, and this is exactly what free market means, don't you understand it??
try not to think in terms of regulations because today ~~nazi financial system~~ laws will never allow you to make anything without passing verification procedure heh
if everything explained by the OP is true then it is really a nice solution, let's wait and see..
I had a similar card in the past and I am watching this topic with a great pleasure now Roll Eyes

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