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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 11, 2023, 11:45:22 AM

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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.

Yes, and it is quite curious because I have seen cases like this in the movies, but apparently things can happen as they are shown there, I am not one of those who believe that there will always be people behind a referee or a person who is a judge of any sport, because this is something that can influence any area, I don't know about internal casinos, but I think that cheating is not possible, unless a person has or discovers a vulnerability and exploits it whenever they want, that It is something else, when we see this type of case, the casinos usually realize it quickly and correct it, sometimes it causes annoyance for the players because they have played and won, and if they have won and they do not let them withdraw their winnings, that is something that bothers Much more, it usually happens in slots and they make the report, so the supplier of the slots proceeds to correct the error.

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Quote from: lizarder on June 15, 2023, 11:33:18 AM

Quote from: indah rezqi on June 14, 2023, 04:09:21 PM

Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.

Nothing is clean in the world of sport and there is always cheating that is played by people who have influence and money is one medium that can influence this cheating but maybe people are seeing more and more cheating in football in Serie A. Several recent cases in Serie A, La Liga and the Premier League illustrate how many fraudulent games have been exploited in sports by using power, so that we realize that there is no such thing as clean in the world of any sport.

The problem is sometimes when they file an appeal, actually regardless of the problem being accused and we never know whether it's a game or indeed it can't be proven with data. It is not surprising because sports are closely related to gambling which involves a lot of money in it and is able to affect anything for those who have an interest in destroying the existing system.

Truly, the monetary side of sports, especially betting, can usher in fraudulent activities. Yet, let's be cautious not to mix up every dubious decision with conscious dishonesty. The boundary between oversight and manipulation often blurs in high-stakes scenarios.

Let's stand against wrongdoing, while saluting the multitude of sports practitioners who epitomize hard work, talent, and sportsmanship daily.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on June 14, 2023, 04:09:21 PM

Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.

well, this does happen frequently and this cheating problem has existed for a long time and will never go away. but I think for champions league and UEL it seems very rare to cheat like this because it is one of the big leagues and any team is hard to cheat.

It seems that in the case of Barcelona and Man City this is just an accusation without any evidence but I don't know if this problem is not seen because there is bribery behind the table.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 11, 2023, 11:45:22 AM

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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.

Well yes, that is where the term that everyone talks about being rigged games comes from, in some cases, in casinos that are physical where their owners manage the machines, it could be said that they have access to many things , and between them they can do that he has Put his machines in his favor, this is not a lie, things can always be Manipulated, now what I like about online casinos is that since they are programmed in the blockchain it can be that audits are constant and that they can occur more ways to make it more legal , that's why I trust crypto casinos, of course the reputable and most reliable casinos.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on June 14, 2023, 04:09:21 PM

Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.

Nothing is clean in the world of sport and there is always cheating that is played by people who have influence and money is one medium that can influence this cheating but maybe people are seeing more and more cheating in football in Serie A. Several recent cases in Serie A, La Liga and the Premier League illustrate how many fraudulent games have been exploited in sports by using power, so that we realize that there is no such thing as clean in the world of any sport.

The problem is sometimes when they file an appeal, actually regardless of the problem being accused and we never know whether it's a game or indeed it can't be proven with data. It is not surprising because sports are closely related to gambling which involves a lot of money in it and is able to affect anything for those who have an interest in destroying the existing system.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 03:57:03 PM

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This is often the case in single sports such as boxing and tennis as some can have a negative impact on the game when they find out that a bet was placed on a certain candidate during a match. Despite the fact that not all bets will end like that and even if they are not proven. Usually at the end of the football season there is some sort of deal going on for the teams that have to fight in the relegation zone and they will try to influence the game by getting wins to avoid relegation.

It does not rule out the possibility that this happens in football, although sometimes it cannot be proven to the public and there are many cases that have occurred in the Serie A League, although the method is different from this discussion. But the point is that in every sport there is always the potential for cheating to influence the public and I quite believe that.

Cheating in the world of sports is always there, it involves quite a lot of money under the table. It's no exception that football is also dragged into it even if it's the top league in European countries. La Liga and Serie A get the most attention about this cheating, but it can also happen in other top leagues such as the Premier League, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

In the last year Barcelona in La Liga have been faced with accusations of bribing referees, Manchester City has also been accused of committing an offense which made him have to deal with FFP. But I think a lot of other clubs are also involved but they can pretty much cover up his moves even if they're dirty.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 03:57:03 PM

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

This is often the case in single sports such as boxing and tennis as some can have a negative impact on the game when they find out that a bet was placed on a certain candidate during a match. Despite the fact that not all bets will end like that and even if they are not proven. Usually at the end of the football season there is some sort of deal going on for the teams that have to fight in the relegation zone and they will try to influence the game by getting wins to avoid relegation.

It does not rule out the possibility that this happens in football, although sometimes it cannot be proven to the public and there are many cases that have occurred in the Serie A League, although the method is different from this discussion. But the point is that in every sport there is always the potential for cheating to influence the public and I quite believe that.

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Quote from: Weawant on June 14, 2023, 04:52:20 AM

Also in the big league, there is match fixing but it's not as common as we have in smaller league that isn't getting much attention therefore the officials can decide to do anything they like and won't get punished. In some games you'll notice how poor the players play.

Those type of game always ends in a draw but one of the teams should have been the favorite as they're stronger and more in form than the other team although since they shared point, the both teams don't lose and they're comfortable with the way the match ended.

Match fixing is a problem in sport all over the world and while some are very obvious others are done in a way it'll be very hard to noticed that the game was already fixed to be draw so both teams can shared the point to get an advantage over other teams in the league or tournament.

Well, you are right that it's done almost everywhere, whether it's a small league or big, whether it's done on an international level or in local tournaments, the difference comes only from how it's planned out. People who do it on a bigger scale tend to plan things in a way that no one even suspects that there is something wrong in the match which has actually been fixed, while those doing it on a lower scale don't care much about all that.

That is the reason why fixings that are mostly found and players being accused are from lower levels and those who do it in international leagues and tournaments barely get caught or suspected but easily get away with it and also earn a lot of money.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 13, 2023, 11:42:15 PM

Gambling can be as dynamic as we have been seing in many of the cases whereby you discover that some matches are fix, some are not, but as a gambler, we can decide on the match we want to go for to bet, it perfectly work for some to engaged more than two matches whe gambling because they under the way to run th altogether while some only partake i single match play because that's how and where they can perform best.

This all really depends on how we can place ourselves into bets that are very possible to win and make money. I think this is very reasonable because each bettor has his own betting style to maximize the results obtained and both single bets and multiple bets are still quite safe as long as we can know what we are betting on. Maybe in addition, if single bets allow a higher win ratio then it's better not to do multibet bets because it's quite risky to lose money if we don't do it often.

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Quote from: Josefjix on June 13, 2023, 11:32:42 PM

Quote from: Solosanz on June 04, 2023, 09:25:58 AM

Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.

I disagree with the 80% probability. It had always been a 50/50 chance when it comes to sports betting. That's why they put the handicap there to increase the chance to win or lower the handicap if you want some risk involved. Go to 30% and below but with higher profits afterward.

We can just predict but don't know where it will end up. Even with all the analysis we make, at the end of the day, it could always go the other way.
This is why even underdogs have their chances now, and it makes it more inviting to those who like taking high-risk who will favor them in exchange for the jackpot prize.
And because of that, even players put their eyes on the gambling industry if they know they can win the game or shave points to hit their own bet. That's why it is wrong for players to participate in such things. There will be instances when they could control the game in their own favor. It will be unfair to those who put their heart into trying to analyze the game as deep as they could just to increase their winning chances.

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 21, 2023, 08:34:52 AM

There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

Also in the big league, there is match fixing but it's not as common as we have in smaller league that isn't getting much attention therefore the officials can decide to do anything they like and won't get punished. In some games you'll notice how poor the players play.

Those type of game always ends in a draw but one of the teams should have been the favorite as they're stronger and more in form than the other team although since they shared point, the both teams don't lose and they're comfortable with the way the match ended.

Match fixing is a problem in sport all over the world and while some are very obvious others are done in a way it'll be very hard to noticed that the game was already fixed to be draw so both teams can shared the point to get an advantage over other teams in the league or tournament.

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Quote from: Josefjix on June 13, 2023, 11:32:42 PM

Quote from: Solosanz on June 04, 2023, 09:25:58 AM

Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.

By betting on what we can afford to lose, we won't regret it too much if our bet loses because that can happen in gambling. We don't know whether the fight was written or not written in the scenario because the important thing is we know what we are doing and which one we are betting on. And whatever happens with that match, whether written or not, we don't need to think about it and can only enjoy the match and see if our bet wins or loses. We only need to risk what we can afford and forget after we see the results so we don't get too sad if we lose.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 04, 2023, 09:25:58 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Gambling can be as dynamic as we have been seing in many of the cases whereby you discover that some matches are fix, some are not, but as a gambler, we can decide on the match we want to go for to bet, it perfectly work for some to engaged more than two matches whe gambling because they under the way to run th altogether while some only partake i single match play because that's how and where they can perform best.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 04, 2023, 09:25:58 AM

Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 11, 2023, 09:33:45 AM

Quote from: Silberman on May 28, 2023, 03:19:30 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 28, 2023, 03:19:30 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 17, 2023, 02:16:38 PM

Quote from: South Park on May 17, 2023, 02:07:07 PM

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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

I agree with this motion, that's why casinos, betting houses should always have a very big vision about what their security can be, apart from this it could be said that casinos do not do things to reward those who manage to have or discover a vulnerability, and for this reason it is that they always exploit, so it is something that casinos have not yet taken into consideration to do and for their own security, so it is good that casinos invest a lot in their security as well There are reward programs for those who manage to get a vulnerability fixed.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

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Quote from: Z390 on May 22, 2023, 12:43:15 PM

Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.

So many things are really happening in gambling so that is why there are always complain where you will see gamblers complaining about casinos not giving them what they deserves. A lot of fraud is happening and we should not surprised about many of these techniques that casinos are using to deprive us of some certain benefits.

Scripted matches do happen even in other sport bets especially in wrestling and others. This is one of the ways these people do make money from gamblers without us knowing how it was planned.

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