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Quote from: Johnyz on May 12, 2023, 04:23:26 PM

Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.

I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on May 11, 2023, 09:55:11 AM

But "We can't say that everything is happening fairly in any sport because it has become a money-making business in the 21st century. Therefore, even those who are conducting the game, such as the sports board along with sponsors, may take it in the direction of making money, and do anything for it to happen.

This is one of the reasons why I don't get much involved in sports betting and I have also started to lose interest in my favorite sports. I'm not sure if this is happening only to me or if there are others too."

Well, nothing always happens fairly in any sport or even outside sports, in any sector or industry, there will always be some people who would do almost anything for money, and even if that makes a bad name about the sport or whatever they are involved in, it isn't necessary for us to blame the whole department just because of some people.

Cricket is my favorite sport, and though I know that there can be people who fix matches or take the money and agree to do anything even cheat their own team, that doesn't make me hate the sport itself, I will hate those people for doing such things.

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 11, 2023, 08:11:10 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

Even though such a thing is likely to happen and is like an open secret, on the other hand, when an athlete who is directly involved seems to have a bigger influence in terms of integrity.
Actually betting by the athlete himself or maybe his family is not much different, the problem is when something like this happens and then it is published, so this allows for image and performance. Even though the goal, as you said, is only money, but when athletes are involved themselves and are not in a condition to use a third person, such as family or friends, this might be another consideration.

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I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too

Agree with this because indeed conditions like this are still very common to be carried out especially in gambling even though it is not published but something like this definitely exists and it is sometimes seen especially for some matches where the caste are not very well known.

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Quote from: Slow death on May 11, 2023, 12:21:17 PM

in my opinion players of any sport should not be prevented from placing sports bets, I say this because technology is currently very advanced to the point where one or two or even people do it on purpose and manipulate the result during the game just because they bet on it same game, the teams fight to win the games because with that they have more media attention and with more media attention they manage to sell more their right to broadcast, they manage to have more sponsors which would make them much more money than going to play a fixed game mainly because in casinos there are betting limits, it doesn't even make sense for teams to play fixed games nowadays

That's why, in my opinion, players should have the right to place sports bets, and we must not forget that sports betting or any game of chance can be harmful if it is exaggerated, if it is played with the objective of obtaining profits, the person can become become addicted, you may lack concentration and attention during the game in the real world, that's a fact, but you can't generalize and think that it will happen to everyone and that for that reason it has to be forbidden for players to somehow sports make sports betting, I think this is not the path that should be followed

I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 03:57:03 PM

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But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.
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This is very true in the football industry, due to the large influence of gambling platforms, many people are skeptical and think that some of the games are regulated by gambling platforms. We cannot say that all gambling platforms are like that, but big players usually intervene in games and this has often happened in my country where many football clubs here have stumbled on bribery cases involving gambling platforms. Regulation and supervision also don't seem to apply to this, because we know how big the influence of gambling platforms is, especially in important matches, they certainly don't want to lose.

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in my opinion players of any sport should not be prevented from placing sports bets, I say this because technology is currently very advanced to the point where one or two or even people do it on purpose and manipulate the result during the game just because they bet on it same game, the teams fight to win the games because with that they have more media attention and with more media attention they manage to sell more their right to broadcast, they manage to have more sponsors which would make them much more money than going to play a fixed game mainly because in casinos there are betting limits, it doesn't even make sense for teams to play fixed games nowadays

That's why, in my opinion, players should have the right to place sports bets, and we must not forget that sports betting or any game of chance can be harmful if it is exaggerated, if it is played with the objective of obtaining profits, the person can become become addicted, you may lack concentration and attention during the game in the real world, that's a fact, but you can't generalize and think that it will happen to everyone and that for that reason it has to be forbidden for players to somehow sports make sports betting, I think this is not the path that should be followed

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 11, 2023, 08:11:10 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too

Perhaps, the player won't be betting on the sports that the player is a part of, but they can give clues to those closest to them to bet on the team that has a chance of winning. And those closest to him can follow the lead because they think he is an experienced athlete who can tell which team has a higher chance of winning than the other team. And money is a tool to do that because people are very interested and want to know how to make money from gambling. And perhaps, it wasn't cheating because the player was able to prove that he doesn't bet on the sport he is a part of. Meanwhile, if the people closest to him win, the player can get money too.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on May 10, 2023, 05:11:02 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on May 10, 2023, 01:57:54 PM

Fixing the game or cheating in your own team against least favourite for big chunk of money isn't new and many athletes lost their sports career after they found guilty of doing such immoral activities. But for someone who bet few dollars won't take it that much but there also players who bet in millions will take it seriously and turn their life upside down so never trust anything because nothing is 100% perfect.

^ That is a serious offense that can have severe consequences for athletes and their careers. It is not just the large sums of money involved, but also the integrity of the sport itself that is at stake. Even for those who may only bet a few dollars, it is important to remember that every action has consequences, and there's always a risk of getting caught and facing serious penalties. We should always strive for honesty and fair play in all aspects of our lives, both on and off the field.

But "We can't say that everything is happening fairly in any sport because it has become a money-making business in the 21st century. Therefore, even those who are conducting the game, such as the sports board along with sponsors, may take it in the direction of making money, and do anything for it to happen.

This is one of the reasons why I don't get much involved in sports betting and I have also started to lose interest in my favorite sports. I'm not sure if this is happening only to me or if there are others too."

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 03:57:03 PM

But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

Such act for a player to embark on betting on themselves or their team is going to have an effect on the performance at the end of it all because there will be a level of biase to the activity of the players and those who are influenced. Some team have it as a rule not to do that and there are penalties for that if caught.

This should not surprise you and it is not only NFL that is involved in this kind of policy. The league actually started investigating the allegation a month before finally coming to the conclusion and suspending 5 players which include:

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Sources: NFL suspended 5 players, including #Lions WR Jameson Williams, for violations of NFL gambling policy. #Lions’ CJ Moore & Quintez Cephus, plus #Commanders' Shaka Toney, are suspended indefinitely (at least 1 year). Williams & DET’s Stanley Berryhill are suspended 6 games.

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This is also part of the regulation that some casinos or gambling companies stipulate for their employees not to embark on betting for themselves but only to focus on staking or betting done by customers. Most times, if the employees are found to be violating such conditions, they are sacked instantly. This is happening in gambling companies in Nigeria.

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I believe that sports game odds can have an impact on teams and players at some point, especially when they realize that the bets are against them to win the game. This could slightly affect their performance, which is not a good thing, but it is an unavoidable aspect of sports betting since its inception.

Unfortunately, in some low-divisions and unknown football leagues, there are cases where teams and players are involved in match-fixing. I mean when the odds are quite tempting they sell the game and involve themselves in the gambling procedure, using various weird tactics to win or lose the game and make a lot of money through betting. These are commonly known as fixed matches.

These fixed correct score games are sold for a lot of money on the dark web, and people can place maximum bets and win a lot of money. This kind of behavior is unfair and significantly reduces the integrity and fairness of the game.

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Quote from: tusandii on May 11, 2023, 03:34:44 AM

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This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.

Hard to get a proof regarding on this claims since in first place they are paid huge just to play the sport so provably participating on this kind of betting is not part of their concern. Maybe there are insiders are part of this and they give tips regarding on issues that's why other take this as good indicator to place their bets or not. Overall its hard to say that your claim is true but let see if there's a case like this will be expose since thi is really a big story revealed on the league.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too

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Quote from: deepblue01 on May 10, 2023, 01:15:19 PM

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Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.

I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier

Most of the time, fixers pay way more than the winning amount or the match fees to a certain player that they want to involve in match-fixing, and though some of them refuse and don't take the risk of losing their career and deceiving their team and the nation if it's an international match, some actually take the risk and the money.

And when that happens, it sometimes doesn't get caught and the players get away with it so do the fixers, but, sometimes they are caught and the careers of the players involved get over right at that time. It's basically a very big gamble and isn't worth taking.

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Quote from: tusandii on May 11, 2023, 03:34:44 AM

But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.

It will not last long, you forget if casino is a centralized site and they will collect your information.

If the athlete, player or team participate in gambling, they will be monitored and the casino would report them if they're able to identify it. Yeah they can ask their friends or someone that willing to place bet for them, but sooner or later they will get busted due to transaction history and anything else connected.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

But I believe that in reality many athletes, players and members of sports teams also participate in several bets because there are several cases that we can see about winning or losing bets made by players or team members in the sports industry even they will definitely bet on the team themselves if it is seen from the start they will win the game, it's just that the bets they make are hidden.
Betting cannot be avoided by anyone even though there are restrictions that regulate it.
Actually this can have a negative impact but somehow they want big money so the bet is still made.

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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

It doesn't apply to only the NFL, we can see this happening in soccer as well. It mightn't happen to the professional league but the minor league get affected easily since things can be done in those league and be gotten away with like match fixing and other illegal officiating.

I think anyone who's caught for match fixing in any of the sports should be punished severely so others can learn. Match fixing takes out the integrity of the game and also reduced fans attendance which makes the clubs lose money.

This is also the reason it's prohibited for those involved with sports to place bets. Imagine if a coach bets on his side to lose and the payout would be big. He'll intentionally sabotage the game with wrong tactics so it goes in his favor and he wins.

I strongly agree for the minor leagues,especially from what I have read in the past and even seen one of such thing first hand is that Denmark lowest divisions together with Norway who has a lot of lower divisions can easily be fixed as no one cares for what is going on there from UEFA/FIFA I believe.Funny how such games are rarely up for betting in the reputable casinos but in the shady ones who can as well not pay you at all these are all there.

I saw a person playing a correct exact score on Denmark 7th division in a local lotto club many years ago and that game ended exactly with that result,I don't know if it were fixed but surely raised a lot of doubts in my head.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 03:57:03 PM

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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

It doesn't apply to only the NFL, we can see this happening in soccer as well. It mightn't happen to the professional league but the minor league get affected easily since things can be done in those league and be gotten away with like match fixing and other illegal officiating.

I think anyone who's caught for match fixing in any of the sports should be punished severely so others can learn. Match fixing takes out the integrity of the game and also reduced fans attendance which makes the clubs lose money.

This is also the reason it's prohibited for those involved with sports to place bets. Imagine if a coach bets on his side to lose and the payout would be big. He'll intentionally sabotage the game with wrong tactics so it goes in his favor and he wins.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

That's correct and it's actually a part of their contract so they have no valid reason to fight this in court or wherever he finds he can win it because he agreed to the said contract. This is the problem with players that are also gamblers, and most of the time they are doing it for profits and not for other good reasons like supporting the gambling site.
There are a lot of games they could play and gamble, why pick the ones you are a part of? I am sure they didn't forget about it, it's just greed that took over. They are just making a big mistake in ruining their career, especially those players who are making millions of dollars every year.
Casino games are wide open, they should forget about sports betting unless they are retired.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

If rooting on their own team I think will not compromise the game. It will motivate them to win aggressively and do their best.
It is however going to be compromising when the athletes know they are not going to win against the other team. And when they have this feeling that they'd just be dominated, there will be a desire to bet for the other team.

It could be the matchmaker's fault if it's a tournament like the NFL but in other sports like boxing, the promotions already have the idea of the odds.

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