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Quote from: peter0425 on May 15, 2023, 03:30:29 AM

Quote from: deepblue01 on May 10, 2023, 02:15:19 PM

I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier

Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.

Almost every single sport is prone to match-fixing as such people will do it everywhere to fill their pockets. Football is the biggest sport in the world, and if things like these can happen in football, you can imagine that they can happen in any sport out there, it is just that some of it is done on a lower level while some is done on a bigger scale.

If you are a sports bettor, you can't just ignore all the sports that you have experienced since that will leave you with no option at all, so you are basically compelled to make bets and since you can't know about such things beforehand, you might face losses sometimes due to this.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on May 18, 2023, 08:19:32 AM

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.

But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is already happening, what we do not know is the extent of this practice, if we are talking about only a few people doing this then that is within the acceptable limits, as it is probable those which are doing that are players which are not the very best and as such their influence over important games is limited, however if this practice is widespread then this could spell doom to any sport, as the moment this was revealed fans will become incredibly disappointed this was the case, and some of them may give up on the sport for good.

I think this practice has been around for a long time, and not many people know about it, so it makes people who do it feel safe. After all, activities like this may have gotten bigger because there is no strict supervision from the authorities, so they can still do it outside their league. And it's true that if this gets out and the public finds out about it, there will be a huge wave of demonstrations demanding that those involved with the activity be punished. But let's hope that doesn't happen in the sports leagues in our country so that none of the fans will be disappointed after knowing about it.

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Quote from: maydna on May 18, 2023, 11:42:06 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on May 18, 2023, 08:19:32 AM

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.

But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is already happening, what we do not know is the extent of this practice, if we are talking about only a few people doing this then that is within the acceptable limits, as it is probable those which are doing that are players which are not the very best and as such their influence over important games is limited, however if this practice is widespread then this could spell doom to any sport, as the moment this was revealed fans will become incredibly disappointed this was the case, and some of them may give up on the sport for good.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on May 18, 2023, 08:19:32 AM

Quote from: harapan on May 17, 2023, 07:10:35 PM

Sports betting affects the game, and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.

But there may still be some betting from those players and coaches, especially if the match is not in their region and a different league. Especially if the match comes from another country, it is unlikely that they will know the final result, which a group of people may arrange. And as long as the surveillance isn't too strict, they can still bet and will stop when the surveillance starts again, so they won't be able to be tracked by the regulatory agency. But I don't know, we don't know or it's hard to know the truth, and we can only guess.

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Quote from: harapan on May 17, 2023, 07:10:35 PM

Sports betting affects the game, and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.

Soccer has betting regulations yet we still have the players that are defaulting, all players, coach and other coaching staff should be banned from gambling. They should only be allowed to bet when they have retired officially from the sport they're involved in.

Fans should be allowed to bet as it bring entertainment for some fans and also gives them an opportunity to earn money for their knowledge on their favorite sports. Betting should only be banned for those that can influence the results of the game

If sport betting were to be banned it means many sportsbook will run out of business and many clubs both those in soccer and other sports will lose a lot of money. They'll lose sponsorship and partnership and that'll make clubs run ot of money to manage the clubs.

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Quote from: harapan on May 17, 2023, 07:10:35 PM

Sports betting affects the game, and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.

What you've mentioned are likely existing rules in certain leagues. Players and coaches should not be allowed to gamble on their own games because it would raise suspicions among fans that they might be involved in manipulating game outcomes. Considering the enormous size of the sports betting industry, which is worth billions of dollars, there is a risk that a player could place a large bet against themselves or their team and deliberately lose in order to make easy money without being detected. Such actions would greatly undermine the credibility of the league as a whole, and that's something we definitely want to avoid.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on May 17, 2023, 05:32:49 PM

It's applied in every league...
But why would they create a diversified betting strategy and still say the game is fair enough?? Wouldn't that mean they already know what the game will end as, so for that reason, a ban is placed against the players themselves??...
I don't even know how the terms of operation looks like, but I do know that shit's happening in smaller league of the European football game and they admins do alot to cover 'em Traces... Even if I Begin to gamble today, I can't bet on smaller games.

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I agree with you. I think match fixing tend to happen in lower leagues. I guess people who operate such kind of rings like to be undercover. Who would watch a match in like 3rd league of some eastern European country? Probably noone. Anyways, its definitely strange to observe a player gambling himself/herself. I wish influence of gambling on our lives was far lowered so we could both have fair sports games and fair gambling. Its obvious that gambling's mere existence effects everything.

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Sports betting affects the game, and anything that affects the game, affects both ways, both positively and Negatively.
Sports Gambling can be regulated, instead of out rightly banning it.
It affects the game when players of that particular sport also gambling. Players, owners of clubs, coaches, technical crew and every other people involve in a particular sports should not gamble in that particular sport. This way, they wont have any ulterior motive to affect the game.
In soccer there are strict penalties for involving in gambling as a player.
There may still be match fixing and all but it is very reduced to the lowest part of the spot where there is no much scrutiny.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 17, 2023, 03:16:38 PM

Quote from: South Park on May 17, 2023, 03:07:07 PM

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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

Most of the time we can see the game fixing on important games like playoffs since businessman want to stretch up the series since they want to get more ticket sales and earn from sponsorship so we also need to watch that since giving out a win to favor on a team is really happening. And we also need to look at this scenario since this is happening on sports, to many manipulation happen since there's huge money involve and some want to take advantage on big games since this could generate them more profits.

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It's applied in every league...
But why would they create a diversified betting strategy and still say the game is fair enough?? Wouldn't that mean they already know what the game will end as, so for that reason, a ban is placed against the players themselves??...
I don't even know how the terms of operation looks like, but I do know that shit's happening in smaller league of the European football game and they admins do alot to cover 'em Traces... Even if I Begin to gamble today, I can't bet on smaller games.

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Quote from: South Park on May 17, 2023, 03:07:07 PM

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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

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Quote from: peter0425 on May 15, 2023, 03:30:29 AM

Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.

Unfortunately you cannot know which matches are rigged or not beforehand, there are some boxing matches in which it has been quite obvious the judges were favoring one of the fighters, and yet despite the fact the whole world watched one fighter win the match the judges give the match to the other fighter, and while sometimes the argument about the fans not being very knowledgeable about the sport may make some sense, there have been many instances in which even the experts complain about it, showing very clearly those judges were bought before the fight and as such the whole thing was rigged.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 04:57:03 PM

I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence.

Sports betting may affect the game negatively only if the player has also made bets on the game he is playing in and that's already forbidden. What if the player's distant relative made the bet though? That would complicate things. Stuff like that indeed happens and the public would indeed lose their confidence in the games because of those incidents.

Let's say I am the goalkeeper of Team A. In the last minute right before the game, my brother told me that he wagered on the Team B's win against my team. That might affect me in a negative way. It shouldn't normally but we are humans... When people learn about that story, they will question my professionalism righteously.

I think the International Sports Federation knows about that. As long as the price to win the game exceeds the risk&bet amount, there would be no point in worrying.
Everyone has their own number. if that is a big game, the players know it will cost their own carrier

Players that willing to be part of rigging doesn't really care about that though indeed that it is their career that will be burn yet it is about how much they can get before the burning .
so caring is not the first priority but how much is involved.
lesson here is never bet in a game that is prone to being rigged and there are rumors that Basketball and boxing is mostly affected by this but of course there are other sports that has this now.

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Quote from: dezoel on May 13, 2023, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Silberman on May 11, 2023, 01:59:34 PM

I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.

I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.

I believe that's already happening. If the athlete is very discreet with his gambling activities.
We can't say that they are not totally participating as we don't know them what they are doing 24/7.
They can easily place bets by letting his friends, family or other close friends to do such betting for them.
So we can't say they are not doing it because there are so many options how to execute it silently.
So long they are not fixing the game to favor their bets, and just let the game flow in natural way, I think there won't be any problem.

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Quote from: dezoel on May 13, 2023, 05:45:59 AM

Quote from: Silberman on May 11, 2023, 01:59:34 PM

I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.

I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.

It is known that a great deal of the criminals end up outing themselves as they like to brag about what they did, so while you are right and some of those players could remain anonymous by gambling with cryptocurrencies on matches in which they participate, they will eventually tell someone, which in turn will tell to someone else, until all the team knows what they are up to and eventually someone which is willing to do something about it finds out and then those players receive the sanctions they deserve.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 11, 2023, 01:59:34 PM

I think most leagues do not care if their players make some sport bets on a sport different than the one they compete, however as soon as they make some bets on the same games or the same league then this can affect the confidence of the fans on the games, and without that trust then the whole thing comes crashing down, so in my opinion it makes sense that leagues around the world are at least very strict when it comes to any behavior which may incite any form of match fixing among their players.

I wonder how would team management know if a player has actually placed a bet on the match they are participating in since they can always do it anonymously, especially in such times when many cryptocurrency sports betting platforms let you place bets without any inquiries if the bet amount isn't too high and some even allow bigger bets since they don't ask for KYC.

And they would obviously not care if a player is generally gambling and placing bets on another sport or even on the same sport but on a different team, that shouldn't be a violation since they cannot have any influence on those matches.

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 11, 2023, 09:11:10 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on May 10, 2023, 07:57:10 PM

This is why athletes, players, and team members aren't allowed to make bets on the sports that they are a part of themselves. It removes the integrity on the sport because they're making it look like they're profiting off of each other and the incentive isn't to get better at the game or entertain people but rather just for the monetary gains. It also removes the people's trust on the league that the sport belongs to, which will reduce viewership and will surely affect the league in a lot of ways = may affect the gambling aspect of the sport as well.

Are you sure about not allowing athletes and players, let alone team members, to be prohibited from betting, whereas they can do that by asking their family or friends to bet on it, after all, dirty methods like this are mostly practiced in sports gambling and we cannot avoid it because everything returns to its purpose. respectively, namely money, sometimes money will be the main factor for people to cheat.

I never thought this was anything out of the ordinary because even consciously we all know that any practice of cheating in sports betting is not a figment of the imagination and it has been happening for a long time it's just not too widely publicized, moreover there is this thread to discuss it too

If they do that, they only prove that they can't follow a simple instruction. Their morals are already destroyed but it's not a problem if they already did it before. There is a big chance that who does this are also involved in a match-fixing.

There is a way to avoid it if we knew it will happen because it affects our betting experience but if you are also dishonest like the players and you know if which team will win, you will be glad to ride it. Topics like this are regularly being discussed in this board but people can easily moved on. We don't focus on it because we know that there are still lots of positive side of sports betting and they are more worthy to talk about.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 03, 2023, 04:57:03 PM

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

Also the first time I am reading about people complaining about the integrity of the sport itself due to gambling. Usually the critics of sports betting and gambling in general see a risk for the public due to gambling addiction and not for morally corrupting the players. In my opinion this is not really the case as most of the top athletes would never risk their job for gambling on their own matches. If you already have a contract to earn millions by playing the game, why would you risk it all for some small profit? It's also surprising that something like that would happen in NFL, where you have so many players per team that the impact of one individual is much smaller. The same goes for football, there are so many viewers and cameras covering the match that it's hard to deliberate throw a game in your favour. It's common that in all competitive sports the players are not allowed to bet on their own matches and I would expect to most player follow that rule.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 12, 2023, 05:37:09 PM

I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.

This is the practice already where the players are not allowed to take participate on any bet in relation to their sports and to the team, but some are still ignoring the rules and now they have to pay for the price of it especially if they will be caught in action. Betting on your own team or sports might already kill the integrity of the players, as a player you should avoid doing this. I’m pretty sure they are not restricted to gamble at all, but there are limitations.

Those athletes that don't know how to honor their contracts or sporting rules that they're part of should learn the hardest way.

Those fines that shall be imposed on them should be a lot of money for them to never do that again and will start honoring their contract and rules that's being placed upon each of them.

They'll never stop and learn until there's a big chunk of money deducted on their salaries and contracts, that will make them meek and obedient.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 12, 2023, 05:37:09 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on May 12, 2023, 05:23:26 PM

Definitely right, they should be strictly prohibited because they are part of the team and this can affect the integrity of the sports, and if this will expose I’m sure that team and that player will not be on a good position. Though the gambling site should already have the restrictions with regards to this one, the problem here is that if you are a real gambler I’m sure you will let someone place a bet for you just to avoid this restrictions.

I am not sure if there's a contract written that they should avoid gambling as well related to their sports or they're not allowed to gamble no matter what type of games they do.

But in order for them to protect their integrity, this is a good rule that should be apply to all the professional athletes as most of their games can be found in sportsbook.

Let the gamble happen on the fans and not with these professionals that do cast their bets on their own.

This is the practice already where the players are not allowed to take participate on any bet in relation to their sports and to the team, but some are still ignoring the rules and now they have to pay for the price of it especially if they will be caught in action. Betting on your own team or sports might already kill the integrity of the players, as a player you should avoid doing this. I’m pretty sure they are not restricted to gamble at all, but there are limitations.

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