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legendary
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November 17, 2014, 08:51:55 PM
Also, this bit about DUST and cleaning the pump before use. Syscooling is suggesting we take apart the pump completely and clean it out with some water because it was tested before it shipped without any liquid in it. Doesn't running these kind of pumps without any liquid grind the pieces down?

They'll just be plugging it in for half a second to check the motor is good. The danger with running pumps dry is that the coolant is also their... coolant ... and if bearings were let to overheat they would seize.
legendary
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November 17, 2014, 08:50:56 PM
IMO, this is a bad idea because if the fan/pump load is >70w (Im guessing it could peak as high as 90W if all 4 devices are running full power) that plus the ~200W of a blade puts a pretty big power load on the single cable to PSU

Its 25W, and each blade is <200W pre PSU. There are plenty of miners running 250-270W through single PCI-Es.
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
November 17, 2014, 08:06:36 PM

Considering this miner can take 8 PCIe they should have looked at problem before throwing a PCIe connector on it.   Who has 9 PCIe unless you use a server PSU or adapters?

But not surprising considering all the dead pumps, and harness of death the first batch got.   They should have looked at good old molex connection.  Maybe even split it where not all on one cheap wire.

I'm still waiting for their manager to ok compensation... wonder what it means that they never got back to me......

It's a male PCI-E power connector, it would go in one of the unused ports on the miner to pull power back out to run the fans/pump.
I'm running my C1 with just four PCI-E connectors and they don't really get warm (~180W each)

If it has a male PCI-E end on it can't you then just plug it into your modular power supply itself?

Also, this bit about DUST and cleaning the pump before use. Syscooling is suggesting we take apart the pump completely and clean it out with some water because it was tested before it shipped without any liquid in it. Doesn't running these kind of pumps without any liquid grind the pieces down?

its a male connector, with the presumption that you could connect it to one PCIe connector on a blade, and the other connector would be the power supply cable. IMO, this is a bad idea because if the fan/pump load is >70w (Im guessing it could peak as high as 90W if all 4 devices are running full power) that plus the ~200W of a blade puts a pretty big power load on the single cable to PSU - around 275W which could easily burn out cheap cabling (A >1000W and/or GOLD-rated supply should be fine for this, but cheaper supplies with 18awg or thinner wiring could fail and start fires as even 16awg wiring starts getting warm over 300W)
*you could also connect it to the PSU directly as you mention, but not all PSUs have modular cabling sockets, particularly that are the same pinout as a PCIe socket*

shameless self-plug: I sell good quality 18awg Y-splitters - If you think you should take some precautions against putting 275W on a single PCIe connector, you could split the syscooling load across two seperate blades in the C1 - thus balancing the power across 2 PCIe cables from the power supply at ~240W (15% lower). See my signature link for details - i have lots available now
And dry-running a pump is terrible. Anyone will tell you that. Either test it properly or ship it untested. 2-3 seconds of testing could create the conditions that lead to early failure or leaks when a coolant is actually added.
legendary
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November 17, 2014, 05:56:23 PM

Considering this miner can take 8 PCIe they should have looked at problem before throwing a PCIe connector on it.   Who has 9 PCIe unless you use a server PSU or adapters?

But not surprising considering all the dead pumps, and harness of death the first batch got.   They should have looked at good old molex connection.  Maybe even split it where not all on one cheap wire.

I'm still waiting for their manager to ok compensation... wonder what it means that they never got back to me......

It's a male PCI-E power connector, it would go in one of the unused ports on the miner to pull power back out to run the fans/pump.
I'm running my C1 with just four PCI-E connectors and they don't really get warm (~180W each)

If it has a male PCI-E end on it can't you then just plug it into your modular power supply itself?

Also, this bit about DUST and cleaning the pump before use. Syscooling is suggesting we take apart the pump completely and clean it out with some water because it was tested before it shipped without any liquid in it. Doesn't running these kind of pumps without any liquid grind the pieces down?



Not sure as my RMA pumps and new harness are still in China in the slow mail.  No customer has received new harness yet.  I believe all have the dangerous possible firestarter harness.

And yes it's a horrible idea to run these pumps dry.  If you google it you will see it's laughable that anyone who is a liquid cooling company would do it.  Just Google "Should you run a computer pump dry".  Everyone agrees never should be done.   They are doing i think they were told to test gear, they were shipping out untested which could explain batch 1 amount of DOA or failing components.   The fact they brag about running pumps dry shows the knowledge of syscooling.
legendary
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Personal text my ass....
November 17, 2014, 05:24:41 PM

Considering this miner can take 8 PCIe they should have looked at problem before throwing a PCIe connector on it.   Who has 9 PCIe unless you use a server PSU or adapters?

But not surprising considering all the dead pumps, and harness of death the first batch got.   They should have looked at good old molex connection.  Maybe even split it where not all on one cheap wire.

I'm still waiting for their manager to ok compensation... wonder what it means that they never got back to me......

It's a male PCI-E power connector, it would go in one of the unused ports on the miner to pull power back out to run the fans/pump.
I'm running my C1 with just four PCI-E connectors and they don't really get warm (~180W each)

If it has a male PCI-E end on it can't you then just plug it into your modular power supply itself?

Also, this bit about DUST and cleaning the pump before use. Syscooling is suggesting we take apart the pump completely and clean it out with some water because it was tested before it shipped without any liquid in it. Doesn't running these kind of pumps without any liquid grind the pieces down?

legendary
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November 17, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
Proper Pump And Fan Power

Thanks to Bitmain especially Yoshi for help.  As I know I was scared that that wiring harness fried the whole board lucky syscooling just fried the fan controller (sucks less then total burning out, but yes still sucks)

With zero thanks to syscooling their gear is still traveling EMS and maybe in a few weeks I will get it who knows.   They did zero compensation for downtime with 2 pumps dead.  Just RMA me some more low quality gear on slowest possible shipping.  

Cost estimate for new pump was around 40 dollars each (shipping included).  And around 10 dollars shipped for molex to 6 3 pin fan connectors. (Allows me to connect without opening case).

Pump Left Side - Wiring Molex to Fan Board Right Picture

     

Suggestion:
If you got first batch pump's with first edition harness to send in for a RMA. Even if it seems to work ok.  Mine first pump ran for around 6 days or so great then stopped, other ran for one more day then fried 2 boards.  Do not let them harm your miner like they did mine.   Send in for RMA asking for new harness also i suggest trying for pump as they have a higher then average faulty rate it would seem.

To get RMA email  [email protected]  or   [email protected] and send a picture.  I suggest doing RMA asking for new harness and pump soon as they do use EMS (Very slow mail from China).  I don't want others to have to wait like I did on gear and end up buying it since syscooling is so slow and hard to do rma.

Why go thru the board at all?
This could happen again, if the pump dies, one of the fans die, cable harness gets yanked.

I'm thinking of going directly to the PSU (with the molex to 6 x3 pin fan connector)


I'm am going through a molex power cord to a 6 slot - 3 pin board.  It uses a molex cable direct from PSU to power it that's the beauty of that board.  Does not go through Hashing boards. Operates separate then miner but on same PSU.  This IS NOT made by syscooling and is not their harness.

http://www.amazon.com/Phobya-4-Pin-3-Pin-Splitter-Connection/dp/B007S3T4O0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1416262920&sr=8-3&keywords=molex+to+fan
member
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November 17, 2014, 05:09:08 PM
Proper Pump And Fan Power

Thanks to Bitmain especially Yoshi for help.  As I know I was scared that that wiring harness fried the whole board lucky syscooling just fried the fan controller (sucks less then total burning out, but yes still sucks)

With zero thanks to syscooling their gear is still traveling EMS and maybe in a few weeks I will get it who knows.   They did zero compensation for downtime with 2 pumps dead.  Just RMA me some more low quality gear on slowest possible shipping.  

Cost estimate for new pump was around 40 dollars each (shipping included).  And around 10 dollars shipped for molex to 6 3 pin fan connectors. (Allows me to connect without opening case).

Pump Left Side - Wiring Molex to Fan Board Right Picture

     

Suggestion:
If you got first batch pump's with first edition harness to send in for a RMA. Even if it seems to work ok.  Mine first pump ran for around 6 days or so great then stopped, other ran for one more day then fried 2 boards.  Do not let them harm your miner like they did mine.   Send in for RMA asking for new harness also i suggest trying for pump as they have a higher then average faulty rate it would seem.

To get RMA email  [email protected]  or   [email protected] and send a picture.  I suggest doing RMA asking for new harness and pump soon as they do use EMS (Very slow mail from China).  I don't want others to have to wait like I did on gear and end up buying it since syscooling is so slow and hard to do rma.

Why go thru the board at all?
This could happen again, if the pump dies, one of the fans die, cable harness gets yanked.

I'm thinking of going directly to the PSU (with the molex to 6 x3 pin fan connector)
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
November 17, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
Proper Pump And Fan Power

Thanks to Bitmain especially Yoshi for help.  As I know I was scared that that wiring harness fried the whole board lucky syscooling just fried the fan controller (sucks less then total burning out, but yes still sucks)

With zero thanks to syscooling their gear is still traveling EMS and maybe in a few weeks I will get it who knows.   They did zero compensation for downtime with 2 pumps dead.  Just RMA me some more low quality gear on slowest possible shipping.  

Cost estimate for new pump was around 40 dollars each (shipping included).  And around 10 dollars shipped for molex to 6 3 pin fan connectors. (Allows me to connect without opening case).

Pump Left Side - Wiring Molex to Fan Board Right Picture

     

Suggestion:
If you got first batch pump's with first edition harness to send in for a RMA. Even if it seems to work ok.  Mine first pump ran for around 6 days or so great then stopped, other ran for one more day then fried 2 boards.  Do not let them harm your miner like they did mine.   Send in for RMA asking for new harness also i suggest trying for pump as they have a higher then average faulty rate it would seem.

To get RMA email  [email protected]  or   [email protected] and send a picture.  I suggest doing RMA asking for new harness and pump soon as they do use EMS (Very slow mail from China).  I don't want others to have to wait like I did on gear and end up buying it since syscooling is so slow and hard to do rma.
member
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November 17, 2014, 03:37:35 PM
Please someone help me.

As I told I can not access antminer IP address unique and default. also reset factory button does not work. You said I should use SD image. I am not familiar with these.

I downloaded SD image (uploaded by dogie). now what? I use MAC os x. Please let me know what should I do step by step.

Thanks.

1. Have you tried to reset the PSU used to power this Miner?
[Note: You may need to remove the AC Power cord completely from the PSU
for 30seconds to a minute]

2. and/or have you tried a different PSU?

3. Have you logged into your Router (IP= 192.168.0.1 -or- 192.168.1.1 is typical)
and looked at all of your devices to see if it is listed there?

4. What make and model number of PSU are you using?

5. What do you observe when you power the Miner up?
sr. member
Activity: 323
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November 17, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
Please someone help me.

As I told I can not access antminer IP address unique and default. also reset factory button does not work. You said I should use SD image. I am not familiar with these.

I downloaded SD image (uploaded by dogie). now what? I use MAC os x. Please let me know what should I do step by step.

Thanks.
sr. member
Activity: 452
Merit: 250
November 17, 2014, 02:07:10 PM

Considering this miner can take 8 PCIe they should have looked at problem before throwing a PCIe connector on it.   Who has 9 PCIe unless you use a server PSU or adapters?

But not surprising considering all the dead pumps, and harness of death the first batch got.   They should have looked at good old molex connection.  Maybe even split it where not all on one cheap wire.

I'm still waiting for their manager to ok compensation... wonder what it means that they never got back to me......

It's a male PCI-E power connector, it would go in one of the unused ports on the miner to pull power back out to run the fans/pump.
I'm running my C1 with just four PCI-E connectors and they don't really get warm (~180W each)
legendary
Activity: 1456
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November 17, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
Newly designed fan wiring harness,could be plugged in board directly from outside,and you needn't to remove top cover fo C1.Also 3*3pin for fans and 1*4pin for pump.

Im still a bit cautious that you have a fairly significant power load (3x2A fans and a 2A pump) using only a single wire pair - thats around 90W load and it appears to only be 18awg wire.

The PCIe connector is a good idea, but you should make use of the fact it has room for 3 wire pairs, and better distribute the load so more wire harnesses dont get hot or burn through

Considering this miner can take 8 PCIe they should have looked at problem before throwing a PCIe connector on it.   Who has 9 PCIe unless you use a server PSU or adapters?

But not surprising considering all the dead pumps, and harness of death the first batch got.   They should have looked at good old molex connection.  Maybe even split it where not all on one cheap wire.

I'm still waiting for their manager to ok compensation... wonder what it means that they never got back to me......
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
November 17, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
I got my C1 coupons.  Thanks!

Now the checkout is messed up:



I hope their SHA256 math is better than this. Sad

M

Looks like the shipping cost is showing artificially low, can you PM me an address to test please?

I think it happens by clicking refresh on the checkout page.

M

You might make sure you have shipping selected to you and not their hosting.  Hosting is much cheaper to ship to.
legendary
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November 17, 2014, 12:53:02 PM
I got my C1 coupons.  Thanks!

Now the checkout is messed up:



I hope their SHA256 math is better than this. Sad

M

Looks like the shipping cost is showing artificially low, can you PM me an address to test please?

I think it happens by clicking refresh on the checkout page.

M
legendary
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November 17, 2014, 12:30:15 PM
I got my C1 coupons.  Thanks!

Now the checkout is messed up:



I hope their SHA256 math is better than this. Sad

M

Looks like the shipping cost is showing artificially low, can you PM me an address to test please?
legendary
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November 17, 2014, 12:28:17 PM
Newly designed fan wiring harness,could be plugged in board directly from outside,and you needn't to remove top cover fo C1.Also 3*3pin for fans and 1*4pin for pump.

Im still a bit cautious that you have a fairly significant power load (3x2A fans and a 2A pump) using only a single wire pair - thats around 90W load and it appears to only be 18awg wire.

The PCIe connector is a good idea, but you should make use of the fact it has room for 3 wire pairs, and better distribute the load so more wire harnesses dont get hot or burn through

Those numbers sound a bit off, 120mm fans drawing 2A each would be in the class of Delta screamers that can hover if placed face down on a table. 0.2A sounds far more likely than 2A. The pump using 2A is more likely as you have a significantly heavier working fluid and I think those pumps push upwards of 2m of head.

I doubt the whole string draws more than 3-4A @ 12vdc

This has already been discussed. Look at the pictures in my C1 thread, the fans are 0.32A at max and the pump 1.2A at max. That's 2.16A through 4 cables which is fine.
sr. member
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November 17, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
Hello,

I have a problem with one of my C1 antminers (I have 4 C1).

The problem is:

I turned on antminer and used 192.168.1.99 and next adjusted 192.168.1.91 to it and next I did mining for 1 hour. Next I turned it off and went out of home. When I came back I turned it on again but 192.168.1.91 and 192.168.1.99 is unknown and I can not access it's settings from IP. Also I was unable to reset it by holding reset button for 3s, because after 3s nothing is happens.

Power is on and antminer c1 fan is working. network lamp is on. But hashing boards lamps are off.
RED light lamp upper network socket is on.

Please tell me what is wrong with this C1 and how I can solve this problem?

My other C1 miners are working fine.

Can you see it mining from pool side? If so I would say it's IP is ok just different ip look at connected devices.

If all else goes wrong you could always use the image of the micro SD card i made and dogie uploaded.  With it you know what the IP is.  But first try to find it on current network.

In pool, there is 0.0 Gh/s and it is not mining.
Also I use switch for LAN cables and when I login to my switch panel, neither of these IPs are connected (192.168.1.91 and 192.168.1.99).

Why reset button does not work?
What is micro SD image? please explain and give me link and guide.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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November 17, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
Hello,

I have a problem with one of my C1 antminers (I have 4 C1).

The problem is:

I turned on antminer and used 192.168.1.99 and next adjusted 192.168.1.91 to it and next I did mining for 1 hour. Next I turned it off and went out of home. When I came back I turned it on again but 192.168.1.91 and 192.168.1.99 is unknown and I can not access it's settings from IP. Also I was unable to reset it by holding reset button for 3s, because after 3s nothing is happens.

Power is on and antminer c1 fan is working. network lamp is on. But hashing boards lamps are off.
RED light lamp upper network socket is on.

Please tell me what is wrong with this C1 and how I can solve this problem?

My other C1 miners are working fine.

Can you see it mining from pool side? If so I would say it's IP is ok just different ip look at connected devices.

If all else goes wrong you could always use the image of the micro SD card i made and dogie uploaded.  With it you know what the IP is.  But first try to find it on current network.
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 250
November 17, 2014, 12:07:35 PM
Hello,

I have a problem with one of my C1 antminers (I have 4 C1).

The problem is:

I turned on antminer and used 192.168.1.99 and next adjusted 192.168.1.91 to it and next I did mining for 1 hour. Next I turned it off and went out of home. When I came back I turned it on again but 192.168.1.91 and 192.168.1.99 is unknown and I can not access it's settings from IP. Also I was unable to reset it by holding reset button for 3s, because after 3s nothing is happens.

Power is on and antminer c1 fan is working. network lamp is on. But hashing boards lamps are off.
RED light lamp upper network socket is on.

Please tell me what is wrong with this C1 and how I can solve this problem?

My other C1 miners are working fine.
member
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Merit: 10
November 17, 2014, 11:31:17 AM
If I buy one of these can I get a pump setup from elsewhere? Seems like the main issue with these is the syscooling stuff?

Yes, but they typically cost $70 or so to match the specs.

Doesn't matter how much it is is they keep failing, right? So I take it Bitmaintech is a company I'll most likely not expect any real support? Just a few youtube videos and quick shot answers here on the forum?

My orders still haven't shipped yet. I wonder if there is a way to cancel those orders?



If it makes you feel any better I have 8 running with no issues, more on order to be shipped tomorrow(batch 2) Whenever I have contacted bitmain they have been quick to respond given the time difference (within 24 hours)

Good products, Good pricing, Good support

Keep in mind you are seeing issues from two people on this forum out of how many C1 in the wild. the spondoolies thread has way more people with sp20 issues

Oh, for some reason I was getting the idea that all these pumps were failing. If everything runs nice and smooth, where are all the pictures of the hashing speeds? It guarantees 1000GH/s speed, so I'm very curious if the C1 really hashes at that speed. If they do work that well, I'll even order more. I do love how quiet they are. I have been told they fixed the wire harness issue so I won't have to worry about blowing up ASIC boards on a brand new machine.
Thanks.





The white plastic tray underneath was designed to go under a clothes washing machine.
I picked it up at Home Depot for $22
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