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Topic: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH - page 155. (Read 451039 times)

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A less crappy pricing model, at least for the upperbound, is "how much does this cost to make? Let's add a bit of margin so we can keep the lights on and pay someone to design new stuff" instead of "how much does this cost to make? How much profit can we possibly wrangle from our customer base before they refuse to buy any more?" I don't have the nards to look my customers in the eyes while adding an extra 30% profit margin onto my products just because they have nowhere else to buy from. I think that's called "abuse".

It works both ways though, no one complains if/when Bitmain sells at a loss when conditions are bad.

I thought that the customer was always right?  Roll Eyes
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A less crappy pricing model, at least for the upperbound, is "how much does this cost to make? Let's add a bit of margin so we can keep the lights on and pay someone to design new stuff" instead of "how much does this cost to make? How much profit can we possibly wrangle from our customer base before they refuse to buy any more?" I don't have the nards to look my customers in the eyes while adding an extra 30% profit margin onto my products just because they have nowhere else to buy from. I think that's called "abuse".

It works both ways though, no one complains if/when Bitmain sells at a loss when conditions are bad.
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No, it was a test design string miner with BM1382 chips.
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I'm seeing reference to a S3++.  Would this be an air cooled C1?  Heat a problem?
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What a load of nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
A PSU is a mining cost whichever way you look at it, I mean, they are not free. .
Yes because of long useful life a PSU can be consider as depreciating over a longer period of time but - at $20-40usd for the HP 1200w ones and only ~$35 for the IBM 2kw ones their cost is insignificant compared to miner cost.

Its quite a bit more than that, you probably need a break out board and how about the 8 - 6 pin cables you need since most miners use PCI-E cables.  I think you are sugar coating this quite a bit.

Plus PSU's fail when run 24-7 at the power usage we do when mining at the rates we do.    I had 3 fail just last year alone.  Now the only ones I FK with are the g2 SprNovas by EVGA since they honor the 10 year waranty

That being said I will probably look to order one at some point since I do have dual 240V power but its all in one spot (basement) I cant imagine all that heat in one place from my 5 s4's and 3 sp30s 

I need to find a way to do a dual wiring thing rather than 30A extention cords since thos cost so much
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What a load of nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
A PSU is a mining cost whichever way you look at it, I mean, they are not free. .
Yes because of long useful life a PSU can be consider as depreciating over a longer period of time but - at $20-40usd for the HP 1200w ones and only ~$35 for the IBM 2kw ones their cost is insignificant compared to miner cost.

Its quite a bit more than that, you probably need a break out board and how about the 8 - 6 pin cables you need since most miners use PCI-E cables.  I think you are sugar coating this quite a bit.

Plus PSU's fail when run 24-7 at the power usage we do when mining at the rates we do.    I had 3 fail just last year alone.  Now the only ones I FK with are the g2 SprNovas by EVGA since they honor the 10 year waranty
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are these really that much better than an s4 when you factor in the fact you have to hunt for a PSU ?
They can be, especially if you either have 220 power and can use the 2000+ watt server style PSU's, or you are upgrading from s1/s3 where you already had them deployed.

I use the DPS-2000 PSU's, they're more efficient than what you can find on the s4, and I can power 3 over clocked s5's on one PSU with no issue.
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What a load of nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
A PSU is a mining cost whichever way you look at it, I mean, they are not free. .
Yes because of long useful life a PSU can be consider as depreciating over a longer period of time but - at $20-40usd for the HP 1200w ones and only ~$35 for the IBM 2kw ones their cost is insignificant compared to miner cost.
That $20-$40 will soon enough turn into $40-$80 to get it all hooked up .... not forgeting these server PSU's can also die on you then its back to the insignificant $20-$40 .... But we digress, insignificant is still a mining cost, considering you won't be making that in a day!
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S3++ would make a good case for bitmain to consider shipping just boards .... even upgrade kits for the S1 doorstops still out there!


yes, I would buy the boards to upgrade some of my S1 if they are cheap enough.
Only if dirt cheap would I consider going the upgrade kit route again. Did that with 2 of my s1's > s3's and while not exactly hard to do, still a pain in the butt. My time and effort is definitely worth staying with pre-built rigs.

agreed.

20 $ or something like that for a kit of two boards + shipping costs.
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S3++ would make a good case for bitmain to consider shipping just boards .... even upgrade kits for the S1 doorstops still out there!


yes, I would buy the boards to upgrade some of my S1 if they are cheap enough.
Only if dirt cheap would I consider going the upgrade kit route again. Did that with 2 of my s1's > s3's and while not exactly hard to do, still a pain in the butt. My time and effort is definitely worth staying with pre-built rigs.
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What a load of nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
A PSU is a mining cost whichever way you look at it, I mean, they are not free. .
Yes because of long useful life a PSU can be consider as depreciating over a longer period of time but - at $20-40usd for the HP 1200w ones and only ~$35 for the IBM 2kw ones their cost is insignificant compared to miner cost.
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S5 available 6th April on Amazon for UK buyers for just under to GBP 400 (~ BTC 2 at today's rate), free delivery . Not sure whether that price covers import duty (VAT @ 20%).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00RCTIY4G/ref=pe_186441_65742661_em_1p_0_ti
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S3++ would make a good case for bitmain to consider shipping just boards .... even upgrade kits for the S1 doorstops still out there!


yes, I would buy the boards to upgrade some of my S1 if they are cheap enough.
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S3++ would make a good case for bitmain to consider shipping just boards .... even upgrade kits for the S1 doorstops still out there!
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I wouldn't mind playing with an S3++ sometime. Or an S5 someday when they're priced fairly.

Also, anyone needing PSUs I can probably hook 'em up for reasonable.
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Do you know what the specs of the S3++ are .... aka does it have BM1382 or BM1384 chips and how many? Seems to be a string version with a reported 265W for 450GH/s ....

From only 5 pages back...
Once upon a time the internet was seen as this vast library of reference works to impart knowledge unto all.  Now it seems to be taken over by those unwilling or unable to even search.  Case in point, mental floss on youtube being asked to explain one-way mirrors.  Because a thousand articles and dozens of other videos hadn't already done so...and done a better job at it to boot. /rant
We have done a small batch of S3++ in the domestic market, which employee the string power design on the BM1382 chip.
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woah - a lot of pages to catch up on. The initial price was high enough i didn't jump at it, and the new price is just absurd.

regarding the S3++ being china-only: it makes sense. to ship them overseas is at least twice the KG/hash of the S5

I really want an S6 or better product. Something with a minimum of 4TH in a small package with external PCIe connectors (please balance so <270W/cable at peak)

Do you know what the specs of the S3++ are .... aka does it have BM1382 or BM1384 chips and how many? Seems to be a string version with a reported 265W for 450GH/s ....
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What a load of nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
A PSU is a mining cost whichever way you look at it, I mean, they are not free. If you apply the same logic of the PSU not being consumed during mining (and thus not being a mining cost), then the same applies to the mining rig as it is not consumed during mining either.

On the other hand, if the argument is about the rig depreciating in value fast (due to, amongst other things, new more efficient rigs coming on market etc ..) and that the PSU straddles different generations of rigs, that does not negate its cost, it simply reflects the fact that the PSU depreciates over a longer period than a mining rig. Thus the cost that could be attributed to the PSU is the depreciation in the value of the PSU over the period it is used to power the respective rig.
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woah - a lot of pages to catch up on. The initial price was high enough i didn't jump at it, and the new price is just absurd.

regarding the S3++ being china-only: it makes sense. to ship them overseas is at least twice the KG/hash of the S5

I really want an S6 or better product. Something with a minimum of 4TH in a small package with external PCIe connectors (please balance so <270W/cable at peak)
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On that snippit Doggie spot on. I'm still using the same HP server psu's that I used to run my now retired S1's on, now they run the s3's and in 2 of them together, 3 s5's. So yes, it *is* a one time cost but they live on and on through the generations of miners.
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