Topic: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH - page 158. (Read 451039 times)

@Bitmain
It is very hard to stay positive.  How long must we wait before we hear your explanation?

He probably means it's not a cost you have to worry about returning within the lifetime of the miner, as once that machine is retired the PSU is (hopefully) still fully functional for the next machine and/or maintains most of its original value for resale. The problem with Dogie's one-off replies is they're so short it's easy to overlook context and misconstrue intent, especially when you read them through cynical lenses.

When I buy gear I'd rather buy gear without built-in PSUs as I basically factor PSU as a zero cost. We have so many running around at the shop (one benefit of being a PSU hardware manufacturer/supplier) that the cost is negligible and, oftentimes with our gear, the reliability is improved.

Can you run a miner without it  NO   Then it IS a mining cost.......  

Wonder why a dog won't be president....there ya go 

then how are you going to power the miner without a psu ? if it aint a cost then tell us what it is. still need to take $ out to buy a psu so isnt that a cost ?

no psu = no power for miner = no mining

Very disappointed.  I bought two for ~$790 shipped and two months later I'm looking at significantly more for something received two months earlier.  My cost of power is painful, but the cost of two new S5s is more!  I'm seeing little reason to buy before availability of the S7(?), my S3s are holding the fort!  Thanks Bitmain, but appears you're joining the established supplier community and appear to despise your international customers!  Guess I just have to wait!

A PSU is not a mining cost as its not consumed during the process of mining and value stays largely the same.

My first prototype was running to bizarre issues and required a complete redesign. Novak and I spent some time going over a bit different (more flexible) concept, which I finally found to breadboard an initial prototype today and I'll keep working on it tomorrow. We're way behind on R&D for just about everything these days. If I can get the regulator working how I like, it'll actually be a first step in a couple other projects you'd probably be interested in.

Did you ever get further into your project to make a DC/DC supply for the S5? I haven't updated the firmware on mine since I got it to see if the issues with running at reduced volts was a firmware limit, but I'd be interested to know if anyone's actually gotten them down to 9V stable.

That is a potent statement there! SPT have insinuated (even overtly stated) their main customers are not home miners, thus it would make sense that they did not put orders in for current generation chips, simply because their large customers would not be interested in that soon to be superceded tech. Surely, that makes bitmain saints in the eyes of the home miner, price rise or not. Question is, why would you begrudge a saint a dollar?

More likely they didn't want to invest further in manufacturing current-gen technology whose bottom-end efficiency is pretty much on par with current or upcoming competition's stock efficiency, so they could put money into R&D for the next-gen stuff to actually compete directly with whoever Bitmain's worried about in another month or two.

Additionally, when factoring longevity into S5 calculations recall that BM1384 chips are rated to run around 0.25W/GH with sufficient undervolt/underclock. That takes the S5 from a 600W 1100GH machine to a 125W 500GH machine.

again i'm going to post this . . .

price of miner = usd 419 (as of 292 usd/btc @ BMT)
shipping = usd 50 (depending on location)
tax = usd 50 (depending on location)
psu = usd 50 (depending on user)
other additional costs such as upgraded/additional fans, lan cable, port switches, rental/hosting, racks/space, etc

so at bare minimum a s5 would cost usd 469 EXCLUDING tax & psu if applicable

@ current diff & price of btc @ usd 292.2/btc hashing @ advertised 1155ghs = 3.579/day * 12.8 days = usd 45.8 and so on with diff changes.
* btw, buyers WILL definitely mine @ a higher difficulty, note the shipping dates, soonest is a little over 2 weeks away & by the time it reaches buyer so lets say 3 weeks & i wont even bring up the june batch.

that is again EXCLUDING electricity costs & diff jump in the next 12.8 days or so.

if price & diff remains constant ( GL to that) it'll take at least 6 months to ROI ? in 6 months time i am very confident next gen miners will be available to the market & these overpriced s5's can be listed on the scrap metal list pretty soon.

if the buying stops the killing stops. i'd also advise miners to pull out from antpool to even out the overall network hashrate. needless to mention the p2pool that was not a real p2pool. less support = more pressure.

imo, BMT wants to clear it's stocks & taking an opportunity to make as much $ as possible within the shortest amount of time since SPT has stopped SP20 production & want to promote hashnest sales as much as possible or pressure buyers to buy the older stocks so that they can clear old stocks before next gen miners comes out ?

forget about what BMT is giving or doing anything for the community or making any profits or not, they (same goes to all manufacturer's, miners & traders) are all out to make $, $ talks & the BS can go walking !

just my very own opinion though. take it with a grain of salt or as an adivse. nothing against nobody. no one can stop buyers from buying or stopping BMT to raise their prices as every party has their own rights to do so but do it wisely.

Makes you wonder whether they were spooked by the same competitor that bitmain were worried about ... but were they, like bitmain, brave enough to place firm orders to have their chips fabricated?

Going by your anology, everyone in bitcoin mining is mad, as there is simply no better chance of ROI'ng at $320 (if you factor in the diff increase had bitmain's competitors taped out) than at $419, but I am happy to leave that in your mind. Simple fact is that you'd still face the same overheads at whichever price point you acquire the batch 5 or 6 S5.

PS. if the market is reasonably perfect and bitmain are right about their calculations to the effect of their competitor not taping out, then BTC should rise to ~$364 and above in the next few days ........ you can then get your S5 for BTC1.13

If spondoolies was ever going to do something now would be the time.

If paying by CC

Just the unit: US $445.03

To Canada: $505.57 US. Includes shipping. http://www.dhgate.com/product/bitmain-antminer-s5-1155gh-s-0-51j-g-batch/216320560.html

Same price for batch 5 & 6

https://blockchain.info/tx/52f60df58612faec5bcfe06ba8ee63004d6b04532760f5ae24b2e119361db4fd


my jan purchase

can be traced to this large holding account


https://blockchain.info/address/1KwA4fS4uVuCNjCtMivE7m5ATbv93UZg8V

and it looks like  191 purchased in the last 14 hours.

edit 220 purchased since  3//9/15  11:30 am UMC time    or when it opened.


so 220 x 1.2 th = 264th  also about   220 x 1.6 coins = 352 coins


an opinion this is slow sales.

Some days I feel like I'm the only one in the bitcoin economy not motivated by pure greed. It's too bad there aren't more people actually working to support and diversify the network and overall economy rather than focus on short-term profitability at the cost of basically everyone and everything else.

Are you mad? ROI and the current price of S5 have no business being in the same sentence unless it is to discourage people from buying.  At the current price of BTC, and assuming ZERO electricity costs and ZERO difficulty increase, it would STILL take 120 days to break even. Add any amount of electricity cost or diff increase, and it just ain't happening.  They aren't raising their price because people have a snowball's chance in hell of ROI'ing, they are doing it because they can, and have zero regard for their customers' respect.

It is for the same reason we mine ~ greed ~ plain and simple. What else would you expect from a company who is out to make a profit? Bitmain is the only game in town now so they will bend us over as much as they can.

SPT had exactly one product which wasn't specifically designed for a datacenter environment, and Bitmain price-hammered them so much they couldn't sell it except at a loss.

Additionally, anyone complaining that Bitmain price-hiked their machines by $100 in one day has good reason to do so because now they know full well that Bitmain has no qualms about letting people know they're being screwed. Sure the price of coin is swinging up on the news that their competition won't be delivering. That means the miner is expected to be more profitable for purchasers to mine on. But it also means that Bitmain themselves, fully capable of making positive margin at $320 per unit or they wouldn't be selling at all, are really in the mood to make another $100 profit per unit just because they can. Pretty dickish. Bitmain has good gear, sure, but that's crap and everyone knows it.