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Quote from: Phosphorous on December 25, 2014, 01:20:38 PM

The pricing is public knowledge on their website. We know from the pricing of the S1->S3 upgrade kit that the savings are minimal and are probably negative if you allocate a cost to your time to assemble the thing and it definitely goes negative when you calculate in the cost of the loss of the old miner which could have been sold as well as the loss for the time it take for them to release the upgrade kit (it took them over 2 months (IIRC) to release the S3 upgrade kit), so you lost 2 months of the difference of hashing with an S3 vs. the S1 at a lower difficulty. If you want a project, pursue your upgrades. For Bitmain it probably isn't worth the hassle. I'd rather have them focus on the S6 or S7 than be wasting time trying to save you $5.
Thanks for being the thread troll.

You really are an opinionated nicompoop.
What makes you believe that we are all in this to fall within the constraints of your nifty little spreadsheet on whether we'll make returns and by when? And just in case you missed it, bitmain are actually considering an S1 to S5 kit, so there!

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Quote from: klondike_bar on December 25, 2014, 12:34:08 PM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

I spoke with yoshi (by email) and they are considering an s1-s5 upgrade kit but not until they get some feedback on batch 1. Upgrade kits are not for inexperienced people and poor thermal paste application or nicking something with a screw driver could result in a few loud and disgruntled buyers who can't RMA a diy product that they damaged by improper installation.

My guess is upgrade kits will either have no warranty or be provided only in bulk packs of 5+ so that it isn't being sold to people incapable of correct use.

That sounds OK and thanks for taking the time to speak with the big man himself.

I completely understand that position, aka no warranty and mostly only being available in packs. But I think there is also market for bare S3 boards' packs, and I am sure they've also looked at that.

All round, good news and thanks for conveying it on Xmas day. Merry XMAS!

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Quote from: klondike_bar on December 25, 2014, 12:34:08 PM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

I spoke with yoshi (by email) and they are considering an s1-s5 upgrade kit but not until they get some feedback on batch 1. Upgrade kits are not for inexperienced people and poor thermal paste application or nicking something with a screw driver could result in a few loud and disgruntled buyers who can't RMA a diy product that they damaged by improper installation.

My guess is upgrade kits will either have no warranty or be provided only in bulk packs of 5+ so that it isn't being sold to people incapable of correct use.

Lets be honest, the s5's are simply too little too late out of date technology. If underclocking them within the firmware was possible at 12v, they would have been a contender. Over the coming month with expected jumps of 20% or more, it's a loss leader. With no warranty, why would anyone consider this unless of course it was simply as a hobby, knowing you'd lose money anyway.

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Quote from: Bicknellski on December 25, 2014, 01:23:03 PM

Quote from: sbogovac on December 25, 2014, 01:14:33 PM

Quote from: Bicknellski on December 25, 2014, 11:49:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

[...]

You might want to just go over Dogie's head. Someone else who actually works there might be interested in responding to your ideas directly to get a better resolution for the Bitmaintech customers. Have you contacted anyone else?

I suppose you missed Dogie's announcement that he nowadays works for Bitmain... Huh

Paid to work in the forums vs. an employee on the payroll.

Dogie's "official" status would be lovely to know but let Bitmain clarify that relationship.

Given all the backlash towards his responses in Bitmain threads even if he is helpful I can't see how it is benefiting Bitmain at this time. Seem like many people have been needlessly antagonized by Dogie and many a thread seems to be riddled with Dogie defending himself rather than promoting solutions for Bitmain customers.

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Here is hoping that those like pekatete look beyond Dogie and get in contact with an actual employee at Bitmain. Having met some of the Bitmain people they are more than willing to learn from errors and will do what is required to fix problems. Here is hoping that the community has not given up on Bitmain they are trying to make things better. Here is also hoping the S5 is a solid machine. I own a couple of S2 still running hard 24/7 on an altcoin.

The problem here is Dogie claims to remain indifferent in how it claims to rate each company. No individual can remain completely unbiased when you are employed by one of them. If you go through many of his posts in other forums, they are usually one liners auto scripted, at times taken out of context. In bitmain forums, he rarely helps anyone to completion. Rather he hands off the problem to bitmain directly, wasting everyone's time.

On top of all this, he has hidden affiliate tags in his amazon links. If you have $1000 in your amazon shopping cart and click any of his links, even if you don't add it to your cart, Dogie will now get a cut of your purchase at checkout for the next 24 hours. Call it what you will, but I can't trust anyone who doesn't admit to this and at the same time, works for one of the major companies.

The final straw, he has insulted way too many people here. No company with any logic would hire him with his lack of community.

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Quote from: BITMAIN_Janet on December 23, 2014, 11:23:15 AM

Hi Sem,

15A for each 12V PCIE is enough.

Janet

Thanks! How many units per batch?

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Quote from: sbogovac on December 25, 2014, 01:14:33 PM

Quote from: Bicknellski on December 25, 2014, 11:49:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

[...]

You might want to just go over Dogie's head. Someone else who actually works there might be interested in responding to your ideas directly to get a better resolution for the Bitmaintech customers. Have you contacted anyone else?

I suppose you missed Dogie's announcement that he nowadays works for Bitmain... Huh

Paid to work in the forums vs. an employee on the payroll.

Dogie's "official" status would be lovely to know but let Bitmain clarify that relationship.

Given all the backlash towards his responses in Bitmain threads even if he is helpful I can't see how it is benefiting Bitmain at this time. Seem like many people have been needlessly antagonized by Dogie and many a thread seems to be riddled with Dogie defending himself rather than promoting solutions for Bitmain customers.

====

Here is hoping that those like pekatete look beyond Dogie and get in contact with an actual employee at Bitmain. Having met some of the Bitmain people they are more than willing to learn from errors and will do what is required to fix problems. Here is hoping that the community has not given up on Bitmain they are trying to make things better. Here is also hoping the S5 is a solid machine. I own a couple of S2 still running hard 24/7 on an altcoin.

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Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:28:14 PM

Quote from: Phosphorous on December 24, 2014, 08:07:23 PM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5

Why?
Just sell your S3 for $150-200 (current going price on eBay). Then pony up the additional $250-300 (assuming a new direct purchase from Bitmain) for a new S5 which is probably cheaper than the upgrade kit would be. After all, you could only re-use the cheapest parts of the assembly anyway, so not worth the effort.

You sell yours if you want. And believe it or not, I actually know what the price of an S5 is, and I am sure you do not do any pricing for bitmain products, so you wouldn't know whether it'd be more expensive.
All in all, thanks for nothing .... better still (and I am tiring of saying this in this thread), if you've got nothing to say, do not say it.

The pricing is public knowledge on their website. We know from the pricing of the S1->S3 upgrade kit that the savings are minimal and are probably negative if you allocate a cost to your time to assemble the thing and it definitely goes negative when you calculate in the cost of the loss of the old miner which could have been sold as well as the loss for the time it take for them to release the upgrade kit (it took them over 2 months (IIRC) to release the S3 upgrade kit), so you lost 2 months of the difference of hashing with an S3 vs. the S1 at a lower difficulty. If you want a project, pursue your upgrades. For Bitmain it probably isn't worth the hassle. I'd rather have them focus on the S6 or S7 than be wasting time trying to save you $5.
Thanks for being the thread troll.

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Quote from: Bicknellski on December 25, 2014, 11:49:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

[...]

You might want to just go over Dogie's head. Someone else who actually works there might be interested in responding to your ideas directly to get a better resolution for the Bitmaintech customers. Have you contacted anyone else?

I suppose you missed Doggie's announcement that he nowadays works for Bitmain... Huh

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Quote from: idonothave on December 25, 2014, 06:35:27 AM

May I know how You got to the price 500 USD with shipping for SP20? I would be interested to buy one if able to reach such price.
Thank You

It's a 2 unit minimum per order!

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never read a single complain about s1 > S3 upgrade kits.

in fact, I bought a couple of them, and they are working just fine and are remarkably stable.

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Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

I spoke with yoshi (by email) and they are considering an s1-s5 upgrade kit but not until they get some feedback on batch 1. Upgrade kits are not for inexperienced people and poor thermal paste application or nicking something with a screw driver could result in a few loud and disgruntled buyers who can't RMA a diy product that they damaged by improper installation.

My guess is upgrade kits will either have no warranty or be provided only in bulk packs of 5+ so that it isn't being sold to people incapable of correct use.

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Quote from: Bicknellski on December 25, 2014, 11:49:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 10:20:28 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:41:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

I'm not going to start another waffle thread with you again. You can look pages back regarding discussion on an S3 to S5 upgrade kit. tldr S3s are still viable, so it would make no sense to upgrade them today.

I have NEVER had a waffle thread with you, and do not intend to have one; you must be confusing me with someone else ... and it does not take much to admit that your assertion is incorrect, but as always, the best way is to avoid making false statements.

The point at hand was switching individual chips off at software level and your waffle response was that it requires expensive PCB hardware to be able to do that. So you can redeem your self esteem by answering the specific question:
Are you SURE it can not be done on a software level?

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

You might want to just go over Dogie's head. Someone else who actually works there might be interested in responding to your ideas directly to get a better resolution for the Bitmaintech customers. Have you contacted anyone else?

I do not think upgrades make a good deal. Usually it is only a small percentage more to get the whole unit versus the upgrade. and for that small percent cost you now have 2 operating units.

Someone is always willing to pay for the old hardware.. S1's are still selling for 50 bucks on ebay.

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Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 10:20:28 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:41:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

I'm not going to start another waffle thread with you again. You can look pages back regarding discussion on an S3 to S5 upgrade kit. tldr S3s are still viable, so it would make no sense to upgrade them today.

I have NEVER had a waffle thread with you, and do not intend to have one; you must be confusing me with someone else ... and it does not take much to admit that your assertion is incorrect, but as always, the best way is to avoid making false statements.

The point at hand was switching individual chips off at software level and your waffle response was that it requires expensive PCB hardware to be able to do that. So you can redeem your self esteem by answering the specific question:
Are you SURE it can not be done on a software level?

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

You might want to just go over Dogie's head. Someone else who actually works there might be interested in responding to your ideas directly to get a better resolution for the Bitmaintech customers. Have you contacted anyone else?

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Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

Is the punchline VB.Net?

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Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:22:35 AM

Quote from: siampumpkin on December 24, 2014, 05:54:10 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

'absolutely promising chip in world'...

this is yet another long scam by serial scammers

!!BUYERS BEWARE!!

be advised these scammers are well known to employ Multiple shills & sock puppet accounts promoting their dangerous hardware & exploitative vaporware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg

What is the scam? I realize that the string design is a big risk and the price is too high for current difficulty. But people should know this and if they choose to buy that is their risk. Right? Huh

Just ignore him. He's angry at Bitmain because an admin deleted some of his posts.

that's just vintage edgar. grumpy ol coot

Merry Xmas!!

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Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:36:15 AM

Quote from: Mudbankkeith on December 24, 2014, 07:15:30 AM

So distribution in EU from Switzerland would only encounter the extra warehousing cost from Switzerland.

Vat only becoming chargeable if they are exported to the EU.

So Bitmain or a third party could Host miners in Switzerland?

If you're moving them to Switzerland just to host, why wouldn't you just host in CN or buy cloud mining (HashNest etc)?

I encountered endless e-mail exchanges with the hosting in China when I tried to change the pool settings. Has this since changed?

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Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 10:20:28 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:41:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

I'm not going to start another waffle thread with you again. You can look pages back regarding discussion on an S3 to S5 upgrade kit. tldr S3s are still viable, so it would make no sense to upgrade them today.

I have NEVER had a waffle thread with you, and do not intend to have one; you must be confusing me with someone else ... and it does not take much to admit that your assertion is incorrect, but as always, the best way is to avoid making false statements.

The point at hand was switching individual chips off at software level and your waffle response was that it requires expensive PCB hardware to be able to do that. So you can redeem your self esteem by answering the specific question:
Are you SURE it can not be done on a software level?

On the viability of S3's, I did not say they were no longer viable, in any case, there's the argument for S1 to S5 kits in the same suggestion (but of-course you conveniently skimmed over that).

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Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:41:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

I'm not going to start another waffle thread with you again. You can look pages back regarding discussion on an S3 to S5 upgrade kit. tldr S3s are still viable, so it would make no sense to upgrade them today.

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Quote from: dogie on December 25, 2014, 09:41:01 AM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:02:11 PM

I think the next logical step for bitmain is to work hand in had with the developers of cgminer so that we can be able to switch off individual chips (that may be malfunctioning) via the webUI. Seeing the chip count per board (which can be up to 256) has gone up to 30, just shy of the S1 count by 2, despite a reasonable leap in the tech, I think the time is ripe for this kind of developement. At the moment, cgminer (or more likely their obfuscated, closed source PIC fimware) decides when to stop sending work to a chip, but I do not think it is as efficient as can be.

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
2. Start offering for sale the components of the (soon to be EOL'd S3), i.e the hashing and controller boards.

Happy XMas everyone - bitmain included!

Turning individual chips off is not a software or firmware based function, it requires expensive on PCB hardware to enable that.

Honestly, I am aware you get paid to respond in these threads, but the value in that lies in accurate responses not waffle.
Now, I'll ask you a straight question: Are you sure it can not be done in software or is that just some more waffle from you? (I know I have done exactly that on my S1 boards using my very own VB.Net miner) EDIT: Just in case you missed the punchline, it is for that reason that I made the suggestion in the first place, having seen the benefits thereof.

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Quote from: pekatete on December 25, 2014, 06:58:53 AM

Quote from: Finksy on December 24, 2014, 11:41:56 PM

Quote from: pekatete on December 24, 2014, 08:28:14 PM

Also, now that bitmain have the new chip and have implemented the string design, I call upon bitmain to:
1. Provide an S3 / S1 upgrade kit to the S5
...

Were you even one of us that actually got an S1 upgrade kit (before they discontinued it in fairly short time, and are quite unlikely to offer again)? It did not include the enclosure panels OR the second fan, and was only BTC0.12 cheaper than an S3 complete package. Therefore, even if your S3 was only worth $50, it would still quite likely be a better net cost on the S5 purchase than an upgrade kit, going on precedence.

Everything he said was relevant and somewhat accurate, not sure why the retaliation...

I wonder, did you even read the original post ...? You missed the bit about the S1 to S5 kit.
So, in time honoured fashion, would you care to retrospectively apply your wisom on the worth / viability of that? Again, do not say it if you have nothing to say.

I don't see anything in the OP about S1 to S5 upgrade kits? Huh

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