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legendary
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January 16, 2013, 04:44:26 PM
Have you videotaped your discussion with a lawyer yet?
I've done many things. Take a pack of popcorn and take a seat. Be patient!

The tension is worse than waiting for a BFL "produced" ASIC.

Be strong ~becoin.  Remember, "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing!"

--- 

Actually, it probably is the case that it is worthwhile to bring potential scams to the attention of the various justice systems (while we are lucky enough to have them.)  Like ~BitcoinNV with BFL as a target of opportunity when he was persuing the ~pirateat40 scam.  Not that it will result in much, but the authorities probably take a few minutes to key some data into their databases at least, and these will come up as a hit if/when the next person makes a complaint.

hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:41:46 PM
...I shoot I score ...the crowd goes wild as we win the pennant  

but i live in Australia (did i mention that)

You're full of shit.

I've never heard an Aussie mutter the phrase "we win the pennant" EVER.

You're a fucking liar.

...lol

Woah ..that escaletd quickly.... Cheesy

I have never watched american television either...

U got me I am not really australian..I am an English\German 2nd generation emigrant...Abboriginees are the only true australians






 
hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:29:22 PM
People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

[...]

Madoff had 400+ professionals working away thinking & doing what they do..stop & think that this can not be applied to BFL because an engineer did some work....yeah

I find it a bit odd that you're comparing a financial company to a technical one. Not to mention out of both these companies, only one of them is selling a product...

Anyway..
Am I one of a handful of people that actually understand long term consequences of such an action by BFL? I keep reading it over and over and over again throughout this thread.."oh BFL is creating an elaborate scam, they haven't created a product and they're just trolling for money".

The problem here is that Butterfly Labs is an established company here in the States...meaning they're abiding by all laws and regulations (presumably of course..given none of us work there we cannot say for 100% certain). The amount of negative press they would receive if they were to scam us would be phenomenal. An investigation (and probably lawsuit) would ensue, and anyone clearly associated with the scam would be tried and sentenced.

We all get our money back, and they all go to jail. Jeez, what was so hard about all that...

So what about bASIC...are they going to jail ??

Or is it just another business that failed & people lose money...what happens if all the chips are kaput from BFL....they will fail..peopel will lose money...(VISA/MC Peopel who paid using BTC)

I am not on the "ITS A SCAM"..I just think that there process that we know of is totally inadequate based upon the information we have.. I am happy to step out and watch..I got my refund quickly so I cant complain

Time will tell 
legendary
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January 16, 2013, 04:25:22 PM
Have you videotaped your discussion with a lawyer yet?
I've done many things. Take a pack of popcorn and take a seat. Be patient!

OMG... this sounds SOoo exciting how u are going to wreak venegance on people who feel got an extra $68 (your opinion) from you over a period of 2 months...

I cant wait for the next thrilling episode of "becoin" & the missing $68...


lol.  literally.

hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:24:16 PM
Quite a few months ago, I started down the path of creating a custom ASIC with another member of this forum.  We spoke with a number of companies that do structured ASIC designs but ultimately decided to go with a full custom ASIC design since it seemed like it would required to be competitive with the numbers being promised by the competition.  Ultimately, we entered into discussions with a company in Shanghai that does ASIC design with the intent of having them do the entire ASIC design for us.  Like BFL, we already had a working HDL design that we had verified on FPGA hardware.  Ultimately we chose not to move forward with the venture for business reasons, but it looks like BFL is on a similar path to what we were on.

Based on what I've been reading, it seems that BFL does not have in-house ASIC engineering experience (neither did we), but rather they have opted to farm out their design to a company experienced in these matters (a very positive thing IMO).  Silicon Valley probably has the highest concentration of ASIC design houses in the US, so it is encouraging to read that Josh is going there next week to meet with their ASIC design team.  Using an experienced ASIC design team in combination with a straightforward logic-only design like SHA256 and a conservative 65nm process is a good formula for minimizing risk and the number of respins.

I'm out of the mining business at the moment, but if I wanted to get back in now, I'd probably choose BFL based on the information currently available.

I have no affiliation with BFL or any of it's employees.

--
Jason


Agreed.

What about "No Jason...you are still full of shit" ...lol
hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
Have you videotaped your discussion with a lawyer yet?
I've done many things. Take a pack of popcorn and take a seat. Be patient!

The tension is worse than waiting for a BFL "produced" ASIC.

+1
hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
Have you videotaped your discussion with a lawyer yet?
I've done many things. Take a pack of popcorn and take a seat. Be patient!

OMG... this sounds SOoo exciting how u are going to wreak venegance on people who feel got an extra $68 (your opinion) from you over a period of 2 months...

I cant wait for the next thrilling episode of "becoin" & the missing $68...



hero member
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January 16, 2013, 04:14:26 PM

2. How do I pocket the BTC if I get a refund of the same amount in BTC what I've originally paid?


You're a bit special aren't you?
I guess everybody that bought bitcoins couple of months ago at a cheaper price is a bit special. Those "greedy bastards' can now sell their bitcoins and make a profit. Oh, wait... What did you say?... They have to pay BFL in bitcoins and get a refund to make such a profit?! Umm... are you sure?!... How including BFL payment=refund in the equation will help me make additional profit?

-1

Your money grabbing attitude is boring... Undecided
legendary
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January 16, 2013, 03:36:13 PM
Perhaps you should consider why that may be.  I mean, when FUD comes fairly effortlessly it seems an indicator that there is plenty to be fearful, uncertain, and doubtful about.

Good point, though it could also be the result of a hefty dose of paranoia. The next 30 days will tell all.

or 60 days...

Code:
 we don't know exactly how long it takes to assemble a unit. However, the best estimate we have for this is that if you order today, 13 January 2013, you would likely receive your order around the middle of March or possibly sooner if you're ordering a Jalapeno or a Single
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post10249
That's not when they are planning to start shipping preorders.  IF YOU ORDER TODAY are the key words in that statement!
full member
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January 16, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
Perhaps you should consider why that may be.  I mean, when FUD comes fairly effortlessly it seems an indicator that there is plenty to be fearful, uncertain, and doubtful about.

Good point, though it could also be the result of a hefty dose of paranoia. The next 30 days will tell all.

or 60 days...

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we don't know exactly how long it takes to assemble a unit. However, the best estimate we have for this is that if you order today, 13 January 2013, you would likely receive your order around the middle of March or possibly sooner if you're ordering a Jalapeno or a Single
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post10249
donator
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January 16, 2013, 03:15:14 PM
You should try moving your BFL concerns over to Reddit,
this thread is now impossible to follow while keeping oneself sane.
legendary
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January 16, 2013, 02:57:08 PM
Perhaps you should consider why that may be.  I mean, when FUD comes fairly effortlessly it seems an indicator that there is plenty to be fearful, uncertain, and doubtful about.

Good point, though it could also be the result of a hefty dose of paranoia. The next 30 days will tell all.
newbie
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January 16, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
LOL why did he need to put a picture of his kid and wife?

Trying too hard?

I have nothing against his family. That's his business.

But the picture seems a bit out of place. Something you would put in a greeting card for Christmas to friends and family.

The same reason politicians when they are running for office traditionally kiss babies on the campaign trail. It's to imbue them with an aura of goodness, and common humanity.

As soon as I saw that photograph I was instantly suspicious of his motives. He also wrote (in defense of his crime) a scathing criticism of the US government, and portrayed himself as a hard working man unfairly criminalized by unjust government regulation. It was an extremely transparent attempt to appeal to the libertarian or anarchist sympathies that are held by much of the Bitcoin community.



Goodwin's Law rides again.
legendary
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January 16, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
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On a side note, I'm thoroughly impressed by the sheer quantity of FUD in this thread.

Perhaps you should consider why that may be.  I mean, when FUD comes fairly effortlessly it seems an indicator that there is plenty to be fearful, uncertain, and doubtful about.

full member
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January 16, 2013, 02:16:59 PM
Still found employees though Tongue

So fucking what? You challenged us to find engineers for one of your clients, as if it would be impossible. We found them in 5 minutes.

Look at what you found. You've made yourself look like a total idiot. Get out.
legendary
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January 16, 2013, 01:42:27 PM
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Niqqasz diisz dayysz r so dumb n chulldiish mudufckersz thiink they tha shyt by sayiin got dis much of amount on snapbacks,, shooesz,, or clothes but dnt qot a dam car -_- like really they wuna date cute qirlssz n they got the nerve to invite dem to the movies out to eat or watever n their mommy drops dem off or ah friiend n dey ask mommy for money cus they too lazy to qet up n fukin wrk idk was wronq widd qirlsz these daysz that b wantiin do date dis typa niqqasz instead of datiin responsible niqqssz that hav their own car/truck ah job n sum money safe that wen yall qo out udnt qotta paid shyt n let the niqa pay the shyt but qirlsz these daysz r fukin dumb n stupid

I assume this is an essay on how chips are delayed.

Bwahahaha I know, I saw this too and laughed. To the boon of many naysayers, I can totally see her going along with a scam if there was one. Ghetto gurl gotta stack hur paper yo, know whut Im sayin' homie?

Still found employees though Tongue
full member
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January 16, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
On a side note that's mildly related..
I preordered Grand Theft Auto V...since it hasn't been released yet and all I've seen are screenshots/trailers, Rockstar Games must be scamming me. It only makes sense, right?  Roll Eyes

I must have missed the part where Rockstar games was founded and is run by a convicted fraudster.

Although it's funny because Syko G, that 18 year old BFL "engineer" you posted is actually more like a character from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas than an engineer working for a tech company.

legendary
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January 16, 2013, 01:25:52 PM
Korbman, are you really comfortable with your orders placed with BFL, and consider concerns voiced here FUD?  Are you comfortable with a company that keeps not delivering as promised, that keeps lying to the community?

Yes indeed. I usually do my research before I buy things, and that goes doubly so when it comes to investing. I see all the points people have made so far...some are far fetched and some are logical. That's the joy of being on the internet.

The reality is that BFL is a company based in Missouri, theoretically abiding by United States laws and regulations. They've delivered a product before (more or less successfully), and they've shown details (albeit vague ones) on upcoming products and progress thereof. You can make hundreds of claims to the contrary (as we've seen), but my guess is that Butterfly Labs is indeed working on a product without the intention to scam us.

EDIT: If we really want to know about comfortabilitly with purchases, we should talk to Gigavps and Fefox, given their investments in BFL are in the many tens of thousands of Dollars.

On a side note that's mildly related..
I preordered Grand Theft Auto V...since it hasn't been released yet and all I've seen are screenshots/trailers, Rockstar Games must be scamming me. It only makes sense, right?  Roll Eyes
 
@Korbman: I am not spreading FUD. Don't you agree that

No worries here Niko, your posts seem to be far from FUD haha..in fact most have been insightful.
full member
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January 16, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
To quote the girl:

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Niqqasz diisz dayysz r so dumb n chulldiish mudufckersz thiink they tha shyt by sayiin got dis much of amount on snapbacks,, shooesz,, or clothes but dnt qot a dam car -_- like really they wuna date cute qirlssz n they got the nerve to invite dem to the movies out to eat or watever n their mommy drops dem off or ah friiend n dey ask mommy for money cus they too lazy to qet up n fukin wrk idk was wronq widd qirlsz these daysz that b wantiin do date dis typa niqqasz instead of datiin responsible niqqssz that hav their own car/truck ah job n sum money safe that wen yall qo out udnt qotta paid shyt n let the niqa pay the shyt but qirlsz these daysz r fukin dumb n stupid

I assume this is an essay on how chips are delayed.

Hahah, the problem is that cloq buqqfer niqqa
full member
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January 16, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
I'm just lazy. Too much work to narrow down the list to just engineers. I found so many people that work there. Machinists, painters, inspectors, supervisors, welders, cnc operators, etc.

Tim Bishop, Engineer, http://www.facebook.com/tim.bishop.3914
Rossford Fayen, Engineer, http://www.facebook.com/rossford.fayen


Seeee, that wasn't so hard now was it Wink

Now, let's apply these same strategies for Butterfly Labs!
Sonny Vleisides, https://www.facebook.com/sonny.vleisides
Josh Zerlan, https://www.facebook.com/josh.zerlan
Syko Ramirez, https://www.facebook.com/sykoo.ramirez
Mike Wazowski, https://www.facebook.com/mike.b.wazowski.3


EDIT: Why are we arguing again? This thread gets derailed seemingly every other page haha

Hahah and which one of these are engineers with solid careers who have too much to lose by participating in a scam? Let me guess, it's "Syko G", the hispanic ghetto homegirl who looks like she is 20 years old max?

Or perhaps it's Mike Wazowski, who: "Went to RHS [Rosewood High School] for the most part.... Looken to meet up with old friends from school....if i add you its for a reason cause i know you or have seen you around RHS before"

So, which one of these two kids have too much to lose by participating in a scam? Are either of them even engineers?

This is fucking pathetic man you can do better than that. Where are the ENGINEERS with CAREERS BEHIND THEM?



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