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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point.

Possible answers from someone who isn't stupid would be "the fab won't have finished all the layers in time" or "the packaging will take longer than expected" or "chips will get stuck in customs" or "functional testing will fail" or "thermal/environmental testing will fail" etc.

That one. (In bold above.)

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 09:13:27 PM

NO PROTOTYPE

How do you know there was no prototype? A prototype with major issues (eg. overheating or reliability issues) would not be something they would want to brag about or produce demos of, but they would learn what they need to produce a full run of working chips.

Um, the batch of chips that was received in December was a full-wafer run. I believe Josh mentioned 100k chips.

The ones with the major overheating and clock stability issues.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:51:51 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:46:51 PM

I heard you say it..I am sure u said "THEY HAVE WORKING PROTOTYPE"

Please quote it.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:46:51 PM

maybe the POPE

Your obsession with catholicism is quite strange...

I have the recording here from when I was in 12 century france and placed a bug in the confessional ..

I saw u and the pope go in and I got it "They have a working prototype my dark lord" (had to add star wars reference there )

I jumped back in my time machine & came back to write this post...lol

SO happy right now ... Cheesy

Its all good I hear what u r saying there are some valid points ..I have some valid points and time will decide

Or we could use my time machine but i promised to only use it for 12 century Catholic research

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:48:14 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:34:31 PM

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So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

No I think u are trying to verbal my answer & twist the meaning.....nice

...Oh yeah I meant that the delivery company is to blame...i loled & loled

I know this is a correct interpertation in 12 centuary France but i live in Australia (did i mention that)

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point.

Ok there complete methodology or lack of it

Not going to pull it out again but there was something like 3 steps

Simulate
Full production Run
Build & deliver

This methodology "points" to failure

Normally in s/w there would be 8 phases & a working (i say it again "working" so u can hear it) Proof of Concept would be part of that Methodology

The fact that there is

1) 3 steps instead of 5-10+ steps
2) No working unit

High % of failure

Maybe in 12 century Catholic France the 3 step was also a new dance so lets apply it to Custom ASIC production

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:46:51 PM

I heard you say it..I am sure u said "THEY HAVE WORKING PROTOTYPE"

Please quote it.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:46:51 PM

maybe the POPE

Your obsession with catholicism is quite strange...

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:37:50 PM

U are 12th centuary Catholic France... where people only believed in the world being flat so anybody who questioned this was brought to the inquisition..this is you...lol

I'm quite surprised that you think that I think like that.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:37:50 PM

Also the "fuck" part ...I shoot I score ...the crowd goes wild as we win the pennant

Trolling successful! 10/10.

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:34:31 PM

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So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

No I think u are trying to verbal my answer & twist the meaning.....nice

...Oh yeah I meant that the delivery company is to blame...i loled & loled

I know this is a correct interpertation in 12 centuary France but i live in Australia (did i mention that)

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:31:04 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:24:49 PM

Let me check what I said "working prototype" maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point

Please explain why you think they had a prototype that worked perfectly except for heat issues that would be easily fixed by downclocking and then didn't bother to demonstrate it.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:24:49 PM

U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u

Get a goddamn mirror.

I heard you say it..I am sure u said "THEY HAVE WORKING PROTOTYPE"

I think you told the Pope in the confessional..but i was secretly recording your conversations as part of my study on 12 century Catholic France. Its going into the book I am writing..There will be a chapter called "ASICS & the Catholic conspiracy"

... REALLY loling now...

Going to stop has been fun..Cheers

BFL delivery maybe..maybe not who knows maybe the POPE

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:32:43 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:29:16 PM

Maybe I am slow...

Yes, I believe you have demonstrated this.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:29:16 PM

Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma.... Cheesy

What the actual fuck does that have to do with anything?

U are 12th centuary Catholic France... where people only believed in the world being flat so anybody who questioned this was brought to the inquisition..this is you...lol

Also the "fuck" part ...I shoot I score ...the crowd goes wild as we win the pennant

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Quote from: creativex on January 15, 2013, 06:07:21 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 06:02:48 PM

Quote from: creativex on January 15, 2013, 05:49:11 PM

It's also been handled very very poorly. If BFL had said, prior to opening their pre-order window, look we've got this guy that got into some trouble and we're giving him a second chance because we believe he's changed then that would've been one thing.

They did not do this and instead hid his last name, failed to disclose his past, and then shuffled his job description once he was found out. They've handled this even worse than they have their numerous delay announcements.

Those who are in that situation are usually open about it, but some are not. In either case, you don't publicly advertise that fact! Show me a single commercial company that makes it a point to point out one of their employees as a felon. You're more likely to get sued by the employee then gain more customers thru "transparency".

Again, Sonny is NOT just "one of their employees", he was their CEO and is now an officer with the company as is his brother. If their janitor was a crook I wouldn't care much, but a company officer and former CEO? Yeah that's important investor information and should plainly be disclosed PRIOR to accepting funds.

Not just a random felon.

This isn't some guy who copped an felony record because he got caught smoking meth.

Sonny played a key role in an international mail fraud operation that fleeced an enormous number of innocent victims out of quite a few MILLIONs of dollars, over the course of YEARS, and involved many co-conspirators.

As for disclosure, I think BFL has been forthright enough about it. When asked point blank if their Sonny was the same Sonny named in the court documents, Josh confirmed it.

Now that you know this, you are free to cancel based on this information.

This is bitcoin, it's the wild west. It's not like your pre-order was a NYSE registered security that came with a giant prospectus filled of every disclosure possible.

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So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

No I think u are trying to verbal my answer & twist the meaning.....nice

...Oh yeah I meant that the delivery company is to blame...i loled & loled

I know this is a correct interpertation in 12 centuary France but i live in Australia (did i mention that)

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:29:16 PM

Maybe I am slow...

Yes, I believe you have demonstrated this.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:29:16 PM

Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma.... Cheesy

What the actual fuck does that have to do with anything?

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:24:49 PM

Let me check what I said "working prototype" maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point

Please explain why you think they had a prototype that worked perfectly except for heat issues that would be easily fixed by downclocking and then didn't bother to demonstrate it.

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:24:49 PM

U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u

Get a goddamn mirror.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:25:44 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:18:22 PM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 10:57:40 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 15, 2013, 05:37:11 PM

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

This constant denial where everything is black or white

Usually this kind of response means "I can't prove the earlier claims, but I'm sure you oversimplified something, even though I can't explain just how."

Maybe I am slow...but i dont even know what u mean.. Huh

Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma.... Cheesy

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:20:48 PM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 09:13:27 PM

I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units"

/facepalm

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

U trolling now...cool Cool

/facepalm

Are you...pretending to be stupider than you actually are? You realise that's a form of trolling, right? If not, please read the post in full.

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Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 11:18:22 PM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 10:57:40 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 15, 2013, 05:37:11 PM

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

This constant denial where everything is black or white

Usually this kind of response means "I can't prove the earlier claims, but I'm sure you oversimplified something, even though I can't explain just how."

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:18:12 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 09:21:47 PM

+1

If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product

A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes.

That's a good point. So if they got those QFN demo chips back a few months ago, and the only issue was heat, then the chips would be confirmed to work just fine, would they not? They changed the package, but the core design remains the same and has already been proven/tested, even if it was internally by BFL.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:18:12 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 09:21:47 PM

+1

If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product

A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes.

..lol u are funny

Let me check what I said "working prototype" maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point

U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u

Go back to 12 century France as you will be at home with like minded individuals

..lol

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Quote from: niko on January 15, 2013, 11:13:30 PM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 10:57:40 PM

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life.

Can you name three BFL engineers?

Let me guess, you're thinking "if a random forum poster can't name three engineers, their careers are 100% safe if they're all involved in a scam and they know this".

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 15, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: YipYip on January 15, 2013, 09:13:27 PM

I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units"

/facepalm

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

U trolling now...cool Cool

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Quote from: DoomDumas on January 15, 2013, 04:53:11 PM

About overheating chips.. packages, board overheat etc...

Think about GPU devices.. I dont know any other application / game that can make a GPU heating as much as hashing.. I think hashing is very hard on chips. Simulations and stuff like that may be based on known uses of chips. As hashing is quite hard/extensive on chips, maybe simulations dont account for that kind of very extensive use of a chip.

So, my bet is that in real life, asics hashing heats much more than the simulation shows.

just my tought

60W TDP is 60W TDP no matter how you slice it.

It doesn't seem like that much heat to manage when I think of the heat that comes off my 300W 5970, and that's only divided between two chips.

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