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Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 03:13:40 PM

Quote from: smoothie on January 15, 2013, 03:02:48 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 02:33:44 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post10450

First batch has been slashed to 10k chips.

TY for the link.

So 10-12k chips is somewhere around 75-90TH/s? Do we know how long after those 12k chips are assembled and shipped before the next batch of chips is ready to process? I have some orders at the beginning that would be shipped first, and some orders that were placed later that won't be shipped first.

So this is where BFL failed to address why 90% of the previously projected chips will not be produced in the first batch as indicated previously? 90% reduction in supply is a huge red flag guys!!

They said before that they would eventually get 100k chips, but not at once. The initial batch was only for 20k chips, and now it looks like it's been changed to 12k, prolly because of the redesign. Look up - you literally just reposted a quote of me already explaining that.

At what point will you call their bullshit? After 3 more delays?

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Quote from: Fuzzy on January 15, 2013, 03:16:30 PM

Well, if I were to put money on which group would ship an ASIC unit first, I'd pick the only one that's ever shipped mining hardware before.

Which one is this mythical only one?

BTCFPGA?
Icarus FPGA?
Cairnsmore FPGA?
Quadminer FPGA?

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 15, 2013, 02:37:28 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

I have no money in this and I believe BFL is sincerely trying to build what they are saying they're trying to build. I also believe they have not the slightest idea what they are doing.

I've seen nothing solid which invalidates the hypothesis that BFL is 100% scam. At this point I lean to this hypothesis as the one which explains the most observations, and makes the most sense operationally.

By 'operationally', I mean that core perps knew that they had little hope of pulling off a real device, the logical path would be 100 % con job. Dumping a bunch of money into some hail-Mary chip fab efforts is just not a rational way to go.

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Well, if I were to put money on which group would ship an ASIC unit first, I'd pick the only one that's ever shipped mining hardware before.

Too many people holding their breath.

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Quote from: smoothie on January 15, 2013, 03:02:48 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 02:33:44 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post10450

First batch has been slashed to 10k chips.

TY for the link.

So 10-12k chips is somewhere around 75-90TH/s? Do we know how long after those 12k chips are assembled and shipped before the next batch of chips is ready to process? I have some orders at the beginning that would be shipped first, and some orders that were placed later that won't be shipped first.

So this is where BFL failed to address why 90% of the previously projected chips will not be produced in the first batch as indicated previously? 90% reduction in supply is a huge red flag guys!!

They said before that they would eventually get 100k chips, but not at once. The initial batch was only for 20k chips, and now it looks like it's been changed to 12k, prolly because of the redesign. Look up - you literally just reposted a quote of me already explaining that.

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Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 02:33:44 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post10450

First batch has been slashed to 10k chips.

TY for the link.

So 10-12k chips is somewhere around 75-90TH/s? Do we know how long after those 12k chips are assembled and shipped before the next batch of chips is ready to process? I have some orders at the beginning that would be shipped first, and some orders that were placed later that won't be shipped first.

So this is where BFL failed to address why 90% of the previously projected chips will not be produced in the first batch as indicated previously? 90% reduction in supply is a huge red flag guys!!

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Quote from: MrTeal on January 15, 2013, 02:41:15 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on January 15, 2013, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

20k would have covered all preorders as of some point in November or December (can't remember). 10k-12k is the first batch of chips from the first wafer, and it seems like Josh is saying those will make up the first shipment heading out of BFL. So, it looks like MOST of the preorders will be filled via the 1/3 plan in the first week of production. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so I am going to ask Josh for more clarification. By "shipment", he may just mean that the first batch of chips they receive will be from only one wafer, and will be that many chips.

EDIT: Just saw this part of the quote again. It does sound like they'll be holding all preorders until those first 75TH/s are built, then sending them all out. Bummer. Sad

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The 1/3 plan applies to the first 10,000 - 12,000 chips. After that it's FIFO.

10k-12k chips won't be from one wafer. That would probably be the first 10 wafers, based on die size.

Ah, I misread that quote..!

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

I don't have any pre-orders with BFL (never did), and I believe they're for real.

They may not be going about everything in an ideal manner, but I believe they are making a sincere effort to produce ASIC miners, as they claim. I also think they have a decent shot at success, though it may or may not happen in February.

Ppl have raised what may be some valid points about issues they ought to have anticipated. It looks to me like they did not anticipate needing to apply OPC to the mask, and ended up with their "refraction issue" (which they are now more correctly calling a "diffraction issue") in their first spin.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-9.html#post10463

That sounds like a rather elementary mistake to make. I've never designed or produced an IC. I've never even fabbed a PCB, but in my limited Internet Research (just a few hours) on IC production, I learned about the need for OPC (yes, before Josh elaborated on the issue).

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Quote from: SgtSpike on January 15, 2013, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

20k would have covered all preorders as of some point in November or December (can't remember). 10k-12k is the first batch of chips from the first wafer, and it seems like Josh is saying those will make up the first shipment heading out of BFL. So, it looks like MOST of the preorders will be filled via the 1/3 plan in the first week of production. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so I am going to ask Josh for more clarification. By "shipment", he may just mean that the first batch of chips they receive will be from only one wafer, and will be that many chips.

EDIT: Just saw this part of the quote again. It does sound like they'll be holding all preorders until those first 75TH/s are built, then sending them all out. Bummer. Sad

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The 1/3 plan applies to the first 10,000 - 12,000 chips. After that it's FIFO.

10k-12k chips won't be from one wafer. That would probably be the first 10 wafers, based on die size.

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

I have no money in this and I believe BFL is sincerely trying to build what they are saying they're trying to build. I also believe they have not the slightest idea what they are doing.

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Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post10450

First batch has been slashed to 10k chips.

TY for the link.

So 10-12k chips is somewhere around 75-90TH/s? Do we know how long after those 12k chips are assembled and shipped before the next batch of chips is ready to process? I have some orders at the beginning that would be shipped first, and some orders that were placed later that won't be shipped first.

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Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post10450

First batch has been slashed to 10k chips.

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

Calling names doesn't lead to intelligent discussions with any sort of desirable results. I would advise against it.

As I've said before, BFL very much looks like a company inexperienced in creating ASICs, creating ASICs. They could be a scam, but I am doubtful, simply because they would have already run with the money if they were. The logical conclusion is that they have indeed had the setbacks Josh has recently written in detail about, and that they will eventually produce their ASIC products.

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Quote from: mobodick on January 15, 2013, 02:14:34 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

I am standing by the side of this whole thing and it seems to me BFL is actually making something. They just act irresponsibly with other peoples money. But who can stop them?

I think that possibly they started off with the intention of running an honest business, but then realized that they are too incompetent to build the product. Then their CEO, who as we all know has no moral objection to scamming (he has a conviction for it, as all the BFL fanboys like to gloss over) decided just to continue taking pre-orders and stalling people until he could hide the cash and get out of the country.

I think that Josh is just as clueless about this as the victims, and genuinely believes that his ugly mangled face works for a "tech start up" when actually he is just a pawn.

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

This denial is an entirely natural human reaction.

When the operators blew the Chernobyl reactor sky high, they spent the next bunch of hours trying to insert the control rods into the mostly non-existent graphite pile. This even as everyone who went out to have a look came back and told them that there just wasn't anything left.

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

I am standing by the side of this whole thing and it seems to me BFL is actually making something. They just act irresponsibly with other peoples money. But who can stop them?

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Quote from: CharlieContent on January 15, 2013, 02:10:33 PM

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

+1 It's just funny to watch people get strung along.....we are at 4 months and counting, 7 months if you count from when the preorders started.

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Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

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Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Quote from: Syke on January 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh

So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.

Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips.

Can you link that quote?

I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers?

20k would have covered all preorders as of some point in November or December (can't remember). 10k-12k is the first batch of chips from the first wafer, and it seems like Josh is saying those will make up the first shipment heading out of BFL. So, it looks like MOST of the preorders will be filled via the 1/3 plan in the first week of production. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so I am going to ask Josh for more clarification. By "shipment", he may just mean that the first batch of chips they receive will be from only one wafer, and will be that many chips.

EDIT: Just saw this part of the quote again. It does sound like they'll be holding all preorders until those first 75TH/s are built, then sending them all out. Bummer. Sad

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The 1/3 plan applies to the first 10,000 - 12,000 chips. After that it's FIFO.

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Quote from: crazyates on January 15, 2013, 01:51:58 PM

Quote from: smoothie on January 15, 2013, 01:46:50 PM

LOL keep waiting for your pre-orders you tards!

I'll gladly keep quietly waiting for my pre-order like the tard I am if you'll stop posting dozens of times a day in the BFL theads like the douchebag troll you've proven yourself to be.

LOL i'm sorry you trying to strike deals? Not happening. I will call out BFL bullshit for what it is.

As a kool-aid drinker of BFL keep doing that. I'm sure you will get your pre-order in NO TIME!. Just like Pirate is going to pay back all PPT operators so we all can make 7% per week. Cheesy

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