.. Now i want my BTC back because ----?
Because ---- you didn't deliver what I paid you for! Month after month after month after month nothing but baloney!
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Month after month after month after month nothing but baloney!
Can I please request a mod to branch this dead horse discussion to its own thread?
Seconded.
Can I please request a mod to branch this dead horse discussion to its own thread?
You seem to forget that I had THE SAME BTC amount in my pocket BEFORE sending them to BFL. Since this SAME amount in BTC is my money I can do whatever I want whenever I want BEFORE or AFTER the BFL episode!
We get what you're saying, but you're failing to understand that this isn't the way it works, no matter how much you'd wish it to be. BitPay is the processor, so if you really have a qualm about it you should take it up with them instead of squabbling on here...
Assume that buying stuff with your BTC was like selling your BTC for USD.
I can not assume something that is incorrect. I didn't sell my BTC for USD. BFL did. I don't have any contract with BitPay. BFL have. This is why only BFL can sell BTC to BitPay!I don't know how you are reasonning, but for me, it was clear that it was refundable in USD.
Read, read, read... I thought you have read all my reasoning so far and this is why you are annoyed?! For me, it was clear that I'm paying in BTC and it was refundable in the currency and amount that was originally paid.Good grief. The BFL website clearly puts the *price* in USD - and lists Bitcoin as one of the payment *methods*.
The deal is DENOMINATED in USD. End of story.
You're wrong and obnoxiously so.
This is truly getting obnoxious. Since the price is denominated in USD, you take a risk using another currency for your preorder(s). The same thing happens with foreign exchange rates with physical currencies. Would you be complaining so loudly if the BTC/USD conversion had gone the other way and BFL gave you more BTC now than when you placed your order?
So you get the same ammount BTC back from BFL.... What then will happen is that you will exchange them at current market price?!
You seem to forget that I had THE SAME BTC amount in my pocket BEFORE sending them to BFL. Since this SAME amount in BTC is my money I can do whatever I want whenever I want BEFORE or AFTER the BFL episode!I payed for an Item with BTC 8 month ago at 3-4 €..... Now i want my BTC back because ----?
So you get the same ammount BTC back from BFL.... What then will happen is that you will exchange them at current market price?!
You seem to forget that I had THE SAME BTC amount in my pocket BEFORE sending them to BFL. Since this SAME amount in BTC is my money I can do whatever I want whenever I want BEFORE or AFTER the BFL episode!I think you are out of luck. When using bitpay you basically signed a contract to have your currency converted to USD.
Now you could try to contact bitpay and ask them if they have "sold your BTC yet". Somewhere between the lines there was to read that they haven't converted the majority of BTC form the BFL preorders to Dollars for themselfes, but that was months ago so you will probably be out of luck. But if anything I think this is your only hope.
And on the other hand: If, lets say for instance the conversion rate would be in favor for the USD, you wouldn't complain wouldn't you and probably insist to get payed those USD instead, wouldn't you?
It's a bit too much to ask what you are expecting....
One more thing you could try if it turns out to be a scam is get together with others and sue BFL and bitpay alike, with the accusation that they worked together on the fraud. But I don't think you'll have any success with that either.
I would suggest you lick your wounds and get on with it, see it as an expensive lesson on personal finance management and try to be more insightful next time.
So you get the same ammount BTC back from BFL.... What then will happen is that you will exchange them at current market price?!
You seem to forget that I had THE SAME BTC amount in my pocket BEFORE sending them to BFL. Since this SAME amount in BTC is my money I can do whatever I want whenever I want BEFORE or AFTER the BFL episode!So you get the same ammount BTC back from BFL.... What then will happen is that you will exchange them at current market price?!
You seem to forget that I had THE SAME BTC amount in my pocket BEFORE sending them to BFL. Since this SAME amount in BTC is my money I can do whatever I want whenever I want BEFORE or AFTER the BFL episode! That 121 is way too close to the failure at 125.. Even Xilinx starts to shut its chips down at 85.Then there is the issue of exactly what was the ambient when the die was reading 121... if it was the normal test temp of 85 deg c. then fine there is room in the design
but if it was measured at 25 deg. c... then we are all fucked.. the product is going to last less than a year.
Hence the reason they didn't go with the QFN chip packaging after all... they knew it wouldn't be a good idea based on these tests.but if it was measured at 25 deg. c... then we are all fucked.. the product is going to last less than a year.
Good grief. The BFL website clearly puts the *price* in USD - and lists Bitcoin as one of the payment *methods*.
No, julz. Wrong assumption. If I use credit card, paypal, or bank wire to pay USD I'd use different methods to transfer same currency. What you fail to understand is that BTC is a different story. In addition to being a different payment "method" BTC is also a different currency. I have clearly shown, placing a screenshot above, that the BFL invoice is DENOMINATED both in $ and BTC!When you go to their website, you order a product for $1,299.00, selecting the option to pay with Bitcoin. You then click on the submit button (or whatever it is), and are told to pay the BTC equivalent. This is NOT the same as the sale being denominated in BTC - it simply shows that you paid BTC for a sale denominated in USD.
Please do go to their order page and tell me how much a single costs in BTC. From their order page. That should set the record straight on whether their products are listed for sale denominated in BTC or not.
http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-single/
Again, take it to a courtroom if you think we are wrong!
Good grief. The BFL website clearly puts the *price* in USD - and lists Bitcoin as one of the payment *methods*.
No, julz. Wrong assumption. If I use credit card, paypal, or bank wire to pay USD I'd use different methods to transfer same currency. What you fail to understand is that BTC is a different story. In addition to being a different payment "method" BTC is also a different currency. I have clearly shown, placing a screenshot above, that the BFL invoice is DENOMINATED both in $ and BTC!So difficult is to understand that you are paying a price in dollars converted to bitcoin? And that therefore the refund is AGAIN the coversion of dollars to bitcoin.
I remember people saying the very same thing about Pirate. He managed to keep his business running flawlessly for about 8 months. People kept asking : if he's a scammer, why hasn't he run with our money yet? Well because a good scammer never runs with his first money. He builds trust over time. He wants to get as many faithful clients as possible and he only runs with their money if the scam is no longer sustainable. Why? Because it's more profitable than to run away with the first few bucks he gets.
Pirateat40 had to make sure he was already on Pirate Island by the time he 'shut down'.
Good grief. The BFL website clearly puts the *price* in USD - and lists Bitcoin as one of the payment *methods*.
No, julz. Wrong assumption. If I use credit card, paypal, or bank wire to pay USD I'd use different methods to transfer same currency. What you fail to understand is that BTC is a different story. In addition to being a different payment "method" BTC is also a different currency. I have clearly shown, placing a screenshot above, that the BFL invoice is DENOMINATED both in $ and BTC! By your logic anyone with a BFL order paid in BTC can ask for a refund of the BTC and then instantly replace (if desired) the order at a lower BTC cost pocketing the BTC.
1. Let me use the favorite argument of BFL cheerleaders - If I ask for a refund I lose my spot in the queue.2. How do I pocket the BTC if I get a refund of the same amount in BTC what I've originally paid?
Everyone gets a free OPTION call!!
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You don't have idea what an OPTION call is, do you? What is the strike price of such an option for me as a customer if I pay BTC and then get refund for the EXACTLY same amount in BTC?
There is free OPTION call only for FBL if they are allowed to refund USD for purchases made in BTC!
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So you get the same ammount BTC back from BFL.... What then will happen is that you will exchange them at current market price?! Thus leaving you with a decent profit, out of nothing than thin air....?
Why the hell do you care about your "spot" in the line, if you want a refund?
By your logic anyone with a BFL order paid in BTC can ask for a refund of the BTC and then instantly replace (if desired) the order at a lower BTC cost pocketing the BTC.[/quote]
1. Let me use the favorite argument of BFL cheerleaders - If I ask for a refund I lose my spot in the queue.
2. How do I pocket the BTC if I get a refund of the same amount in BTC what I've originally paid?
Everyone gets a free OPTION call!!
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You don't have idea what an OPTION call is, do you? What is the strike price of such an option for me as a customer if I pay BTC and then get refund for the EXACTLY same amount in BTC?
There is free OPTION call only for FBL if they are allowed to refund USD for purchases made in BTC!
1. Let me use the favorite argument of BFL cheerleaders - If I ask for a refund I lose my spot in the queue.
2. How do I pocket the BTC if I get a refund of the same amount in BTC what I've originally paid?
Everyone gets a free OPTION call!!
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You don't have idea what an OPTION call is, do you? What is the strike price of such an option for me as a customer if I pay BTC and then get refund for the EXACTLY same amount in BTC?
There is free OPTION call only for FBL if they are allowed to refund USD for purchases made in BTC!
Assume that buying stuff with your BTC was like selling your BTC for USD.
I can not assume something that is incorrect. I didn't sell my BTC for USD. BFL did. I don't have any contract with BitPay. BFL have. This is why only BFL can sell BTC to BitPay!I don't know how you are reasonning, but for me, it was clear that it was refundable in USD.
Read, read, read... I thought you have read all my reasoning so far and this is why you are annoyed?! For me, it was clear that I'm paying in BTC and it was refundable in the currency and amount that was originally paid.Good grief. The BFL website clearly puts the *price* in USD - and lists Bitcoin as one of the payment *methods*.
The deal is DENOMINATED in USD. End of story.
You're wrong and obnoxiously so.
Is it February or Febuary, because I prefer -uary, and what's with this Ru?
BFL-Josh, Inaba: Is there a time limit on using my fpga upgrade? I was planning on waiting to you guys shipped to put in an order, just wanted to make sure I will still be able to use the single fpga upgrade still. Thanks.
BFL-Josh, Inaba: Is there a time limit on using my fpga upgrade? I was planning on waiting to you guys shipped to put in an order, just wanted to make sure I will still be able to use the single fpga upgrade still. Thanks.
The tradein has been extended to June 1st 2013
this means end of Q1 the product and trade-in until nearly the end of Q2?
Is it February or Febuary, because I prefer -uary, and what's with this Ru?
BFL-Josh, Inaba: Is there a time limit on using my fpga upgrade? I was planning on waiting to you guys shipped to put in an order, just wanted to make sure I will still be able to use the single fpga upgrade still. Thanks.
BFL-Josh, Inaba: Is there a time limit on using my fpga upgrade? I was planning on waiting to you guys shipped to put in an order, just wanted to make sure I will still be able to use the single fpga upgrade still. Thanks.
The tradein has been extended to June 1st 2013
BFL never saw even one bitcoin from a customer.
This is fully under BFL control and how do they setup their account with Bitpay.BFL creates an invoice for a price in USD
This statement does not correspond to actual situation:
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