HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL !!!!!!!!
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Hey Josh,are you guys gonna bump the date up for tradein's of FPGA Singles from March 1st
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL !!!!!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL !!!!!!!!
Does it matter?
Unknown to you? Really? You can't deduce the reason from reading the 3 deleted posts with that massive brain of yours? My 12 year old kid could figure it out in about 10 seconds.
I choose not to speculate at this time, so I instead ask your what your criteria might be.Do you wish to answer this?
Unknown to you? Really? You can't deduce the reason from reading the 3 deleted posts with that massive brain of yours? My 12 year old kid could figure it out in about 10 seconds.
The response to your question is simple:
You are using a criteria (unknown to us) in which you (or other administrators of that forum) are removing selective posts and comments.
The question then is what is the criteria?
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But moving beyond that, would you care to answer any of the points above in my previous post?
You are using a criteria (unknown to us) in which you (or other administrators of that forum) are removing selective posts and comments.
The question then is what is the criteria?
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But moving beyond that, would you care to answer any of the points above in my previous post?
I find it interesting that the BFL clown crew is starting to contradict its collective self in an attempt find something, anything to complain about.
Can one of you super intelligent folk explain to me how the BFL forums can be censored and all posts critical of BFL are being deleted while at the same time being full of people complaining and asking for refunds? It would seem to me that those two states of being are mutually exclusive, but somehow, through the magic of the CreativeX/Frizz/PuertoLibre stupidity filter, those states can exist simultaneously on the BFL forums.
Can one of you super intelligent folk explain to me how the BFL forums can be censored and all posts critical of BFL are being deleted while at the same time being full of people complaining and asking for refunds? It would seem to me that those two states of being are mutually exclusive, but somehow, through the magic of the CreativeX/Frizz/PuertoLibre stupidity filter, those states can exist simultaneously on the BFL forums.
[...] So go ahead, ask away, see how well that works for you.
I like your highlighting, you've managed to highlight every lie CreativeX has written in the past 10 threads, good job. But, seeing as you two are comparable liars, that's not a surprise. Neither of you can provide anything to backup what you say, so you just keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. And you wonder why I call you an idiot.
I like your highlighting, you've managed to highlight every lie CreativeX has written in the past 10 threads, good job. But, seeing as you two are comparable liars, that's not a surprise. Neither of you can provide anything to backup what you say, so you just keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. And you wonder why I call you an idiot.
Are we liars?
Lets try a different kind of discussion. I have taken into account that you have stated you don't want to disclose special secrets to your competitors. Rather than engage it retorts I will make up a basic form that I think everyone will agree does not give any competition a leg up on BFL.
You've stated the above are "lies". Lets see if that is actually true by asking the person who would know the actual answers rather than resorting to "accusations" (your word) or "speculation".
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Mark below the closest approximate date you actually received your first "production ready" ASIC chips that fully functioned as intended (within specifications) when fully assembled in it's PCB. (A working prototype is not acceptable. 40Gh/s working units are acceptable.)
Dates:
6/30/2012
7/15/2012
7/30/2012
8/15/2012
8/30/2012
9/15/2012
9/30/2012
10/15/2012
10/30/2012
11/15/2012
11/30/2012
12/15/2012
12/30/2012
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Question:
On what date was the first Bullet Run to occur?
Dates:
6/30/2012
7/15/2012
7/30/2012
8/15/2012
8/30/2012
9/15/2012
9/30/2012
10/15/2012
10/30/2012
11/15/2012
11/30/2012
12/15/2012
12/30/2012
Question:
On what date did you receive the results of the first bullet run?
Dates:
6/30/2012
7/15/2012
7/30/2012
8/15/2012
8/30/2012
9/15/2012
9/30/2012
10/15/2012
10/30/2012
11/15/2012
11/30/2012
12/15/2012
12/30/2012
If I had evidence that you've been lying to pre-order customers all along it wouldn't be an opinion, it would be a fact.
But you don't, so it isn't. Very simple logic here.To be perfectly clear I still believe BFL will eventually ship working ASICs, I simply do not believe their excuses about why they've repeatedly missed their "sheduled shipping" dates. This has cost a lot of people a lot of $$$, all so BFL could corner the market.
No, I'm not a scammer. Yes, I only have 1 account on here.
So at what point is it "undeniable proof" when blind accusations become fact?
Bullet runs that result in nothing, drop dead dates that turn out to be fuzzy, flawed chips that need clock buffers but aren't flawed, FCC submissions that don't exist, etc...
Shhh!! SHhhhh!Don't point out the "contradictions" and "inconsistencies". It makes him very angry.
Just look his way, pat him on the back and say he's doing a wonderful job. Actually, I bet his inbox is just chalk full of pleased customers. They are thee most patient in the world....!
Well, actually that may be a lie. I saw several posts where even the hardcore supporters are calling for people to bail in about...14 days if there is another delay. But....uh....ignore that..."reality".
I am sure Josh has magical fairy dust to sprinkle on the angry customers so they become very passive. I am sure it came with the unicorn blood he is always talking about?
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God, I just realized I hate railing against Josh, it is incredibly pathetic to beat this dead horse anymore.
I would ask D3 to lock this thread again, but then someone would have to say something super ridiculous to make it justifiable. Where is Friz when you need him?
I can't come to your rescue, for I'm on a self-imposed truce. In fact, I'm going to PM josh for his confidential opinion on something. I'll be sending out the same request to a select few others, but when I start, Josh will receive the first PM.
Although I won't condemn nor condone what's happening at the BFL camp, I'll still be watching events unfold, and will only reenter the discussion after Jody's chickens fail to come home to roost. (damn, I'm goin' to miss commenting on this thread)
Full disclosure: If I do see something that needs my attention, I will PM a member or two my findings so that they will present it, as I've done so a couple times in the past.
~Bruno K~
If I had evidence that you've been lying to pre-order customers all along it wouldn't be an opinion, it would be a fact.
But you don't, so it isn't. Very simple logic here.There was also no evidence that pirate was a scammer, until there was. How does one obtain evidence that Josh knew BFL would not be shipping working ASICs to customers yet pretended as though it was possible to increase pre-orders/stop outflows? How does one prove that there was a bullet run, that there's any work done on BFL's chips at whatever
To be perfectly clear I still believe BFL will eventually ship working ASICs, I simply do not believe their excuses about why they've repeatedly missed their "sheduled shipping" dates. This has cost a lot of people a lot of $$$, all so BFL could corner the market.
Sorry sunshine, but D3 can't lock threads anymore. His ability to moderate threads he has no business in has been removed. So go ahead, ask away, see how well that works for you.
I like your highlighting, you've managed to highlight every lie CreativeX has written in the past 10 threads, good job. But, seeing as you two are comparable liars, that's not a surprise. Neither of you can provide anything to backup what you say, so you just keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. And you wonder why I call you an idiot.
Frizz: Tell me what all those posts have in common that other critical threads of BFL, on the BFL forums don't have, would make them candidates for deletion? My guess is you can't figure it out, being too stupid to understand your ass from a hole in the ground... but hey I thought I'd ask. You've also managed to find the 3 posts that have been deleted, out of 8700... congratulations Scooby Doo, you are a real detective!
BFL censorship statistics: .00034% of the posts are censored! OMG, it's a conspiracy!
I like your highlighting, you've managed to highlight every lie CreativeX has written in the past 10 threads, good job. But, seeing as you two are comparable liars, that's not a surprise. Neither of you can provide anything to backup what you say, so you just keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. And you wonder why I call you an idiot.
Frizz: Tell me what all those posts have in common that other critical threads of BFL, on the BFL forums don't have, would make them candidates for deletion? My guess is you can't figure it out, being too stupid to understand your ass from a hole in the ground... but hey I thought I'd ask. You've also managed to find the 3 posts that have been deleted, out of 8700... congratulations Scooby Doo, you are a real detective!
BFL censorship statistics: .00034% of the posts are censored! OMG, it's a conspiracy!
Yeah, one whole post deleted! Left and right! OMG!
There are actually quite a few deleted posts!
Once in a while, when I read butterflylabs forums, I take a screenshot of postings where I think "oh oh buddy, you gonna get deleted for what you just posted". Quite often those posting are really gone a few hours later.
Here are just 3 examples.
Now who's the liar Josh?
Example 1
I was pleasantly surprised to see some critical posts on forums.butterflylabs.com. Which made me think: Josh has been put on a leash (again) - and the days of censorship are over.
Unfortunately it seems they are still deleting posts. Just not every critical post. I assume it's because there are simply to many of them - and they don't dare to delete them all (-> too many people would complain about censorship).
This one is gone by now. Question for BFL/Josh/Inaba: What was so bad about it that it had to be deleted?
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments2.html#comments
Unfortunately it seems they are still deleting posts. Just not every critical post. I assume it's because there are simply to many of them - and they don't dare to delete them all (-> too many people would complain about censorship).
This one is gone by now. Question for BFL/Josh/Inaba: What was so bad about it that it had to be deleted?
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments2.html#comments
Example 2
Another one bites the dust ...
Thou shall not doubt the all-knowing Josh/Inaba, or stop him from spreading rubbish. Or you get deleted. Like this fella here:
A playstation 3?
... and it's gone: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/514-playstation-3-a.html#post7665
Thou shall not doubt the all-knowing Josh/Inaba, or stop him from spreading rubbish. Or you get deleted. Like this fella here:
A playstation 3?
... and it's gone: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/514-playstation-3-a.html#post7665
Example 3
I was just searching for shipment updates on BFLs forum, reading this thread here:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/406-any-chance-chips-wont-work.html
Taking a snapshot, because I sort of assumed that this one would be deleted rather quickly. And I was right. It's gone now.
Which makes me think: Are we in f*cking China?!?! Censorship at it's best ...
Hey SLok & Inaba: eryngi is of course another one of Frizz23 fake accounts, right?
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/406-any-chance-chips-wont-work.html
Taking a snapshot, because I sort of assumed that this one would be deleted rather quickly. And I was right. It's gone now.
Which makes me think: Are we in f*cking China?!?! Censorship at it's best ...
Hey SLok & Inaba: eryngi is of course another one of Frizz23 fake accounts, right?
Bullet runs that result in nothing, drop dead dates that turn out to be fuzzy, flawed chips that need clock buffers but aren't flawed, FCC submissions that don't exist, etc...
Shhh!! SHhhhh!Don't point out the "contradictions" and "inconsistencies". It makes him very angry.
Just look his way, pat him on the back and say he's doing a wonderful job. Actually, I bet his inbox is just chalk full of pleased customers. They are thee most patient in the world....!
Well, actually that may be a lie. I saw several posts where even the hardcore supporters are calling for people to bail in about...14 days if there is another delay. But....uh....ignore that..."reality".
I am sure Josh has magical fairy dust to sprinkle on the angry customers so they become very passive. I am sure it came with the unicorn blood he is always talking about?
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God, I just realized I hate railing against Josh, it is incredibly pathetic to beat this dead horse anymore.
I would ask D3 to lock this thread again, but then someone would have to say something super ridiculous to make it justifiable. Where is Friz when you need him?
I do read our forums, that's how I know you're lying.
@CreativeX Ragaholic huh? Not sure where you get that, but whatever you need to tell yourself so that you don't feel like such a failure is cool with me.
@CreativeX Ragaholic huh? Not sure where you get that, but whatever you need to tell yourself so that you don't feel like such a failure is cool with me.
Yeah, one whole post deleted! Left and right! OMG!
Once again, PuertoLibre the liar! You need a new title man! You lie more than a rug.
Go and read you own forum. Playing the idiot doesn't suit you, simply be yourself.... Once again, PuertoLibre the liar! You need a new title man! You lie more than a rug.
If I had evidence that you've been lying to pre-order customers all along it wouldn't be an opinion, it would be a fact.
But you don't, so it isn't. Very simple logic here. Well, at least we know our definitions of troll differ. That post you quoted, I do not consider a troll... it is a valid post. Whereas, everything you post is basically a troll, devoid of substance and utility. Makes sense... you are unable to post thoughtful, cogent arguments and/or comments and the guy you quoted is. You consider a thoughtful, cogent post a troll and your tripe to be "non" troll variety. Explains much and goes right along with the fact that you don't need "evidence" to base your "opinions" on.
lol
If I had evidence that you've been lying to pre-order customers all along it wouldn't be an opinion, it would be a fact. You're the one with all the evidence and you're the one that's lying IMO. Yes that is my opinion and the only evidence I have is that you change your stories routinely. Bullet runs that result in nothing, drop dead dates that turn out to be fuzzy, flawed chips that need clock buffers but aren't flawed, FCC submissions that don't exist, etc...
You sir are a rageaholic, a liar, and a scammer...that is my opinion.
BTW I'm flattered you've chosen to add my comment to your signature rather than a BFL ad or anything at all indicating that you're a representative of BFL. Fascinating.
Check out this "Troll's" comments! The nerve of that guy!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/519-10-dec-2012-bfl-asic-update-7.html
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Unreal...
Back in September, I contemplated ordering Several FPGA's from BFL. Once I looked at the Anticipated October Release of the ASIC's and the 60 Day+ lead time of the FPGA Singles, not too mention the $34 Shipping and the Shipping $ i'd have to pay to send back to BFL, it made absolutely no sense for me to have my Singles for maybe a Week and then have to send them back for the ASIC Upgrades. This was a decision I made with the information that was available to me at the time.
Looking back, this was a Huge mistake! I now have almost $10K sitting at BFL and no Hashing power for months because of these continuous delays and in all truth, We look further away from Delivery now then 6 Weeks ago! It's now impossible to get that FPGA hashing power online while we wait...
This has been said by many others as well but it continues to be true: If this had been like any other "Pre-order" then I would be content with having laid down my 10%-20% with rest being due upon completion but this Is Not the case. Instead there are 100's to 1000's of people with about $10 Million in Limbo at BFL. What do we do? It makes no Sense (to me) to cancel and get a refund as some people have been w/o their money for up to 6 months already. ...I don't know... as another said earlier in this thread if they'd have known there would be no BFL ASIC's in BFL's Oct/Nov Timeframe then they, as well as myself, would Happily be Hashing away on FPGA's till the Real ASIC shipdate arrived.
To me it just seems like there really was no way BFL was ever going to Ship in the October/November timeframe they had been giving from the Start. Delays happen and are understandable but it seems no one at BFL has any more clue about when they'll ship then we do! This is unacceptable when they have taken nearly $10 Million of peoples Pre-order money. I've made the Choice to keep my Orders as I don't have any other good option (at this time) but Who is accountable here and what is the Real story?!? Again, if this had been a "normal" pre-order I wouldn't really have much to say except "damn, this sucks" but when you take Millions of $$$ from people for 3-6 Months you are held to a Higher Standard and NEED Full transparency...if you want Secrecy then don't ask for 100% Money up front Pre-orders.
At this point, I don't think it is unreasonable for people to be asking for some sort of compensation. We have after all given BFL Several Million Dollars to "hold" for 2 Months longer than the original agreement.
Back in September, I contemplated ordering Several FPGA's from BFL. Once I looked at the Anticipated October Release of the ASIC's and the 60 Day+ lead time of the FPGA Singles, not too mention the $34 Shipping and the Shipping $ i'd have to pay to send back to BFL, it made absolutely no sense for me to have my Singles for maybe a Week and then have to send them back for the ASIC Upgrades. This was a decision I made with the information that was available to me at the time.
Looking back, this was a Huge mistake! I now have almost $10K sitting at BFL and no Hashing power for months because of these continuous delays and in all truth, We look further away from Delivery now then 6 Weeks ago! It's now impossible to get that FPGA hashing power online while we wait...
This has been said by many others as well but it continues to be true: If this had been like any other "Pre-order" then I would be content with having laid down my 10%-20% with rest being due upon completion but this Is Not the case. Instead there are 100's to 1000's of people with about $10 Million in Limbo at BFL. What do we do? It makes no Sense (to me) to cancel and get a refund as some people have been w/o their money for up to 6 months already. ...I don't know... as another said earlier in this thread if they'd have known there would be no BFL ASIC's in BFL's Oct/Nov Timeframe then they, as well as myself, would Happily be Hashing away on FPGA's till the Real ASIC shipdate arrived.
To me it just seems like there really was no way BFL was ever going to Ship in the October/November timeframe they had been giving from the Start. Delays happen and are understandable but it seems no one at BFL has any more clue about when they'll ship then we do! This is unacceptable when they have taken nearly $10 Million of peoples Pre-order money. I've made the Choice to keep my Orders as I don't have any other good option (at this time) but Who is accountable here and what is the Real story?!? Again, if this had been a "normal" pre-order I wouldn't really have much to say except "damn, this sucks" but when you take Millions of $$$ from people for 3-6 Months you are held to a Higher Standard and NEED Full transparency...if you want Secrecy then don't ask for 100% Money up front Pre-orders.
At this point, I don't think it is unreasonable for people to be asking for some sort of compensation. We have after all given BFL Several Million Dollars to "hold" for 2 Months longer than the original agreement.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/519-10-dec-2012-bfl-asic-update-7.html
Yeah, one whole post deleted! Left and right! OMG!
Once again, PuertoLibre the liar! You need a new title man! You lie more than a rug.
Once again, PuertoLibre the liar! You need a new title man! You lie more than a rug.
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