Topic: [Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 66. (Read 69394 times)

So how has bASIC "all but run off" with the money? Is there any refund that hasn't been given? Is there any evidence whatsoever to claim "all but run off"? Or was it a flat out lie?

I suggest mods to lock down this thread for 48h+ in order to let posters "cool down".

You are correct about the difference between gross and net. The drywall company only netted 10% profit, whereas the sale of barn wood is considerably more.

Case in point: I pay no more than $.50 for a similar board you see below, sans the writing. I sell it for no less than $4.00, sometimes to an artist like this on Etsy who applies a little art work and asks and receives $25.

Beams that I ship across country I pay about $.25 per board foot and sell for $5.00 board foot, getting a premium for rare species and larger size timber.



With the exception of once this year, my customers have come to rely on me and my word that I deliver what and when I promise. The one time I failed, I'm ashamed to admit, I reverted to falsehoods (plural, because I had to perpetuate the lie), blaming a supplier for the late delivery date, when the fact of matter was I had yet to procure her order from any source and was stalling for time till I found it. That episode bit me in the ass big time. Is it to late in your life to learn from this paragraph?

BTW, the latter part of the post in question was meant to demonstrate that I was familiar with accounting practices--namely, expenditures. Not comparing a tech company with a construction or lumber supply entity. And the Ming vase post was meant as humor.

FYI: I posted in threads related to BFL 47 times, thus enabling them to sell 47 units, with 4 pending sales and 0 cancellations. What's your BFL numbers? (question directed toward those who post about BFL that's not affiliated with the company)

This post really does say it all!  haha. Wow.

You can't unclog turds as big as Josh. That sir is a myth!

See, this is what I've been trying to tell you, and you said it more concisely than I have.

Please, pony up the evidence.

I want to believe BFL is real and not a long con. I want to believe that the ASICs are real and are coming real soon now and are going to work as well as everyone has hoped. I want to believe BFL just didnt run off with a million dollars in BTC. I want to believe BFL treats their customers LIKE customers instead of using them as a cheap source of venture capital and all these victims are really hoodwinked investors.

I'm not the bad guy here, even if you want to paint me as such.

Ah. Thanks for helping a brother out! Umm...do you happen to have an opinion about religion by chance? ...and if so what is it based on?

...also by your definition there should never be such a thing as a dissenting opinion, yet these exist at the highest levels. So tell me are supreme court justices that review evidence, but arrive at a dissenting opinion irrational in your...ummm opinion? What did you base that assessment on?  

I once worked on updating my bathroom, so I totally see how PG's work as drywall contractor gives clues into how ASIC development can be done better, without the bugs they encountered.  I would have started with a better flush valve on the toilets at BFL headquarters -  less clogging.   Seriously everyone, go with a 3" or better flush valve.  It makes a difference.

Josh, will you please stop trying to deflect people's attention from the most important question of all - why your poodle has been turned into a piece of performance art (Joseph's technicolour dream coat, I presume).

PSSSST CreativeX... I hate to break this to you (because apparently you didn't know)... but all rational people base their opinions on evidence (and the intelligent ones change their opinion based on that evidence if it is warranted).

The fact that you just admitted that you don't require evidence to formulate an opinion explains pretty much everything about you at this point.  Thank you for finally clearing up how you can be so irrational in the face of evidence to the contrary.   

Shit, you mean I could have announced Avalon projected shipping date at Oct 2012 then announce several delays totaling 2.5 month and people would be OK with it? I should have learned from the best. *bows* I couldn't get on your level *sobs*.

Anyways, after disorienting your project timeline so many times, I don't even know when is BFL going to ship is anymore, are you still scheduled to ship in Mid-Jan of 2013? I'm sure many others are interested to know also.

Not at all, I just don't frequent BFL's boards save to click on the occasional link posted here.


Happy to entertain. Perhaps you fellas have a different definition of the word "opinion" than I do?

o·pin·ion  [uh-pin-yuh n]
noun

1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.

Synonyms

1. persuasion, notion, idea, impression. Opinion, sentiment, view are terms for one's conclusion about something. An opinion is a belief or judgment that falls short of absolute conviction, certainty, or positive knowledge; it is a conclusion that certain facts, ideas, etc., are probably true or likely to prove so: political opinions; an opinion about art; In my opinion this is true. Sentiment (usually pl.  ) refers to a rather fixed conviction, usually based on feeling or emotion rather than reasoning: These are my sentiments. View is an estimate of something, an intellectual judgment, a critical survey based on a mental examination, particularly of a public matter: views on governmental planning.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion?s=t

Others?

HAHAHA you caught that too, did you?  I think we have just found out why CreativeX is so irrational.  I think that might be my new signature.

PG - if you run such a successful business why don't you explain to everyone why your gross income is completely irrelevant.  You can gross even a billion dollars, but if your net is a buck (or more likely negative), you are a failure.  It's trivial to make a company gross a million dollars... just sell stuff or perform labor at cost or below cost.  Your gross income is meaningless, thanks for trying though. Drywall company and barn doors... heh.  High tech stuff there! You are certainly qualified to judge a tech company alright.

@ CreativeX

Do you believe this thread to be unique?

Take a look at this in Josh's own playground:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/569-wafers-timelines-transparency.html

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His eagerness to call us trolls might slip one day when he calls his own customers trolls for asking virtually the same. (minus the warehouse topic)

(actually I recall he has already called his own customers trolls or trollish quite a few times already)

Does the BFL rep really enjoy spending his time this way? I think he is just trying to put out the fire with thee most futile of attempts.

lol

None, why would I require evidence to formulate an opinion? Did you expect me to break into BFL's office to obtain secret information that they knew they were unprepared to ship long before they announced as much?  

When someone says to me they'll do this or that and they fail to deliver, I consider their credibility to be diminished. If they say they will do this or that a second and third time and fail to deliver again and again then I tend to consider them incompetent or dishonest. In this particular case BFL has not only failed to deliver multiple times but has released conflicting descriptions of the causes of those failures and pinned the blame on an unnamed entity(the evil fab). Yet BFL chose that fab, their customers did not, again this is either incompetence or dishonesty. The same company that couldn't seem to get their shipping dates or power consumption specs right on their FPGA products is now experiencing multiple unexpected delays with their ASIC products after reassuring customers that this would not happen this time. To say BFL reps lack credibility at this juncture is a jumbo understatement.

To not disappoint CoinHunter and to be creative and present something new for Josh:

Minimum wage in Kansas and Missouri is $7.25/hr. Based on that, let's to a little math.

7.25/hr X 40 hours X 26 weeks X 22 employees = $165,880

The $165,880 figure does not include the recent hire of experts to run the new equipment BFL is not planning on using for a while.

Add 7.65% of that sum for FICA. Roughly $12,690, for a new total of $178,570, and we can easily call it $200,000. Double it to take into consideration all the other expenses to date, not counting the FAB. We are now looking at shelling out no less than $400,000, with no more than $100,000 from an unknown VC. If a VC did give more than a hundred grand, then I have to concede that Josh knows a moron when he sees one.

Here's my question. Is it possible that BFL profited $300K from product actually delivered? If they did, fine. But how is the FAB being paid without touching pre-order monies? Think about it!

And somebody else ask him to see BFL's bank statement, for I don't want to be chastised for doing such.

Feel free to figure your own best and worse case scenarios as to what came in and what went out. See if you can safely say that no pre-order funds have been touched, and if the company goes under, they will be able to refund every cent in a timely manner without having to go into liquidation, thus having everybody wait for a full refund.

I'm now on record in stating that it can't be done without tapping pre-order funds.

Full disclosure: I once grossed over a million dollars three years running as a drywall contractor. This year I will gross just under a mil as a supplier of 100+ year old musty smelling rotten barn wood. I guess that makes me a failure, but I'll try harder next year (to gross a mil, not be a failure--disclaimer provided to not cause Josh to ponder what I Ming mean).

~Bruno K~

I know, silly me for believing what BFL told me.

I didn't care when they missed their first shipping date.
I didn't care when they missed their second shipping date.
I got a refund after they missed their third shipping date.
Now I don't care even if they ever ship a product at all.

I just stick around this thread for purely entertainment value... it is like a soap opera, everyone's always so serious. I pop in here and post something to get the other BFL haters going and then eagerly await the blow up reply from Inaba in response to the diatribe. I've got it down to a science.  

What evidence do you have for this belief?

Actually, they've missed shipping dates due to problems that didn't show up in simulation.   Everything else has been in place, provided that the first version of ASICs worked as they should have.   While this is regrettable, and has caused BFL to miss shipping dates, the re-do of this chip should be a real bargain for anyone who would wants a superior product.  BFL seems to be taking extra caution in the re-working of the asic, as well as checking the boards for any potential issues that could come up.