Now you're just being stupid. Missing multiple shipping dates does not imply a scam.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I don't believe they've "missed" multiple shipping dates at all...that would merely imply incompetence.
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That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I don't believe they've "missed" multiple shipping dates at all...that would merely imply incompetence.
BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP.
"Now you're just being stupid. Missing multiple shipping dates does not imply a scam.
BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP.
No, the "
FTFY.
Now that we're past the 50 BTC reward, it doesn't make sense for BFL to rush things and release a buggy product, just to be first. I'll bet that Avalon and BFL will be closer to eachother in ship date than either of the companies want to be, but the BFL product will have significantly more polish to it.
BFL's first batch of chips appear to have been troubled by issues that didn't show up in simulation- with this being the case, I'd much rather have the second batch be one where BFL takes time to get it right. They are doing this right now by testing the boards for bugs prior to receipt of the asics.
BFL's first batch of chips appear to have been troubled by issues that didn't show up in simulation- with this being the case, I'd much rather have the second batch be one where BFL takes time to get it right. They are doing this right now by testing the boards for bugs prior to receipt of the asics.
There you go again, lying to make your point. That's really the only way you CAN make your point, because the truth of the matter, when actually spelled out is kind of anticlimactic. Every other ASIC manufacturer has also had delays. No one has shipped, yet you can somehow make the above statement. Heh... I challenge you to make a point without lying once. Every post you make taking a shot at BFL in the past month has included at least one lie in it... so lets see you take a shot without resorting to a lie to bolster your argument.
Please stop feeding them
Well, at least people stopped talking about warehouses.
BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP.
No, the "misguided" ones are those who thought a relatively new company would meet their first shipping estimate on their first ASIC product.
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The irony is that you've benefited me as well Mr. Z. If you weren't such a...character(edited for Xmas) then I'd have ordered from BFL and I too would be waiting till after all the honest manufacturers shipped for an ASIC product. Also by deceiving so many with your bogus "scheduled shipments" BFLism(scam) you've tied their funds up so they won't be hashing for months, which lowers ROI for those that ordered from your competition.
There you go again, lying to make your point. That's really the only way you CAN make your point, because the truth of the matter, when actually spelled out is kind of anticlimactic. Every other ASIC manufacturer has also had delays. No one has shipped, yet you can somehow make the above statement. Heh... I challenge you to make a point without lying once. Every post you make taking a shot at BFL in the past month has included at least one lie in it... so lets see you take a shot without resorting to a lie to bolster your argument.
Please be so kind as to point out the lie. If you're referring to my OPINION that Avalon and BTCFPGA will ship before BFL then that's clearly not a lie as it's my opinion...but then a self proclaimed genius like you should know the difference. Or perhaps you meant that you didn't actually "schedule shipments" in October?
BTW please point out the lie in every post I've made in the past month in which I've mentioned BFL or you just lied. Gee that was easy.
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Is that a Ming Vase? Was it purchased with pre-ordered money? Can I see a receipt?
Normally I'd write this off as a joke, but I honestly can't tell if you're serious. That's how ludicrous yours and others requests have been in the past... something that should obviously be a joke is so close to the current reality that it's indistinguishable from it.
Yeah, that's pretty much my reaction, too. I would like to be able to enjoy that joke, because it's a good one. It would be funny if I didn't have it in the back of my mind asking "Is he serious? WTF?"
Now who's playing who? Surely, I though, there would be no way Josh would reply to only a smiley, but I now stand corrected.
I believe you know damn well that it was a joke, but opt to pretend that it isn't. Fine! But by you posting what I've quoted reveals something new.
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It would be funny if I didn't have it in the back of my mind asking "Is he serious? WTF?"
Doesn't the above negate the below?
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The truth of the matter is, I whip out my missive in a minute or two and then completely forget about it until I click the "Unread Topics" again.
Looks to me, and perhaps others, you're having a difficult time dismissing what obviously was humor.
I believe the truth of the matter is that you want to continue the dialog. Fine! Let's continue, and since I'm unfortunately not...
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...creative enough to come up with anything new.
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=5158
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X-Message-Number: 5158
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:47:34 -0800
From: [email protected] (Christian Eyerman)
Subject: LFCity
Abridged fax reprint
THE SUNDAY TIMES
News: page 6
HEADLINE: Laissez Faire City: Queue forms for capitalist utopia
2 July 1995
By Jason Burke and Tim Rayment London Sunday Times
The advertisement in The Economist that roused interest: "Laissez Faire
City Ayn Rand wondered what would happen if an underdeveloped host country
were to lease an area of one hundred square miles to one thousand free
market individuals and give them a fifty year free reign to administer the
area without goernment rule"
LADY THATCHER would love it: John Redwood might need it. Their dream of a
tax-free paradise where greed is good and entrepeneurial freedom guaranteed
is being founded somewhere among the jungles of South America.
Unhappy capitalists are invited to escape the nanny nations fo
Europe for a community where they can hop about by helicopter and do
business as they please. British investors are among 60 people trying to
borrow a chunk of land from a poor country to create the ultimate enterprise
state.
The scheme, advertised in The Economist, is to lease 100 square mile
of territory and build Laissez Faire City. If Tony Blair takes over
Britain, the nation's lost Thatcherites will be able to flee to a place
dedicated to the open market and free of all government for 50 years.
"It is an amazing adventure, aimed at freeing the potential of the
world's entrepreneurs from the vice of collectivism," said Sonny Vleisides,
a computing consultant who is among the founders. "If you want to dig a well
on your property and provide yourself with water, then you dig a well.
There's nobody to tell you your well is too deep, too wide, or interferes
with the water table."
The project's Costa Rica-based trustees hope to begin building
within three years. Last week the post brought an enthusiasic response from
Britain: business people, students, pensioners, a trainee surgeon and a
barrister were among those who could see their future in a libertarian
Utopia without taxes, customs regulations or red tape. The aim is to
emulate Hong Kong, an area of barren rocks when China granted a lease to a
British consortium in 1898.
For most of us, used to a society that tries to protect people
against illness and exploitation and offers a few basics such as water and
roads, Utopia might come as a shock. To begin with, Laissez Faire City will
be just a hotel. You need to choose a plot of land by helicopter because
there will not be any roads.
"Beyond that stage, free-market economics come in and swoop downd
and build the most wonderful infrastructure you have ever seen," Vleisides
enthused. "if there is a need, it will be built. That is the whole principle."
So a big private hotel is expected to go up next to the founder's
little hotel. Its guests will create businesses that employ thousands of
people from the surounding "host country", allowed in on work permits. For
half a century the little city will grow. And then, like Hong Kong, it is
handed back.
"When you look at mounting bureaucracy from Brussels and our own
government's constant interference in business, the attraction of investing
in something like Laissez Faire City is obvious," said Peter Nichols, 65,
from Great Missenden in Buckinghamshire, who recently sold his mult-million
pound food business and was struck by the advertisement. "It is something I
will be looking into further."
"I'm very ecited," said an Oxfordshre investor who asked not to be
named. "It is time to create this new society. I would very much like to
be a part of any such scheme."
The project is based on the principles of the late Ayn Rand, a
novelist and political theorist. The Fountainhead (1943), her best-known
work, made into a film starring Gary Cooper, depicts an architect-hero whose
genius prevails over sightless social conformity. In Atlas Shrugged (1957),
frustrated western businessmen set up a dynamic city state in the mountains
of South America.
"When Laissez Faire City becomes a reality," investors are told,
"Rand's spirit will undoubtedly become one with the rays of sun which shall
shine down on what may become known as the miracle city of the 21st century."
Unfortunately, the facts may not match the hype. Questioning of the
founders reveals plans for the land use fees. A flow of money is needed for
the host country, not least to encourage it to hand over land to a bunch of
foreigners. The cash will come from property leases.
Economists are sceptical. professor Charles Bean of the London
School of Economics, saw the idea as potty. "You can create very successful
areas with trade incentives," he said, "but the notion that you can create a
self-sustaining capitalist nirvana contradicts the fundamentals of economics."
Sir Alfred Sherman, a Thatcherite guru, said: "My job is trying to
find ways of making our imperfect society work, not create new ones."
Sir Benjamin slade, the right-wing shipping magnate who never deals
with countries that have green in their flag or where people do not wear
overcoats in winter, thought he would stay in Britain: "This doesn't really
have anything to offer the international businessman. not unless you do it
on the Isle of Wight."
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:47:34 -0800
From: [email protected] (Christian Eyerman)
Subject: LFCity
Abridged fax reprint
THE SUNDAY TIMES
News: page 6
HEADLINE: Laissez Faire City: Queue forms for capitalist utopia
2 July 1995
By Jason Burke and Tim Rayment London Sunday Times
The advertisement in The Economist that roused interest: "Laissez Faire
City Ayn Rand wondered what would happen if an underdeveloped host country
were to lease an area of one hundred square miles to one thousand free
market individuals and give them a fifty year free reign to administer the
area without goernment rule"
LADY THATCHER would love it: John Redwood might need it. Their dream of a
tax-free paradise where greed is good and entrepeneurial freedom guaranteed
is being founded somewhere among the jungles of South America.
Unhappy capitalists are invited to escape the nanny nations fo
Europe for a community where they can hop about by helicopter and do
business as they please. British investors are among 60 people trying to
borrow a chunk of land from a poor country to create the ultimate enterprise
state.
The scheme, advertised in The Economist, is to lease 100 square mile
of territory and build Laissez Faire City. If Tony Blair takes over
Britain, the nation's lost Thatcherites will be able to flee to a place
dedicated to the open market and free of all government for 50 years.
"It is an amazing adventure, aimed at freeing the potential of the
world's entrepreneurs from the vice of collectivism," said Sonny Vleisides,
a computing consultant who is among the founders. "If you want to dig a well
on your property and provide yourself with water, then you dig a well.
There's nobody to tell you your well is too deep, too wide, or interferes
with the water table."
The project's Costa Rica-based trustees hope to begin building
within three years. Last week the post brought an enthusiasic response from
Britain: business people, students, pensioners, a trainee surgeon and a
barrister were among those who could see their future in a libertarian
Utopia without taxes, customs regulations or red tape. The aim is to
emulate Hong Kong, an area of barren rocks when China granted a lease to a
British consortium in 1898.
For most of us, used to a society that tries to protect people
against illness and exploitation and offers a few basics such as water and
roads, Utopia might come as a shock. To begin with, Laissez Faire City will
be just a hotel. You need to choose a plot of land by helicopter because
there will not be any roads.
"Beyond that stage, free-market economics come in and swoop downd
and build the most wonderful infrastructure you have ever seen," Vleisides
enthused. "if there is a need, it will be built. That is the whole principle."
So a big private hotel is expected to go up next to the founder's
little hotel. Its guests will create businesses that employ thousands of
people from the surounding "host country", allowed in on work permits. For
half a century the little city will grow. And then, like Hong Kong, it is
handed back.
"When you look at mounting bureaucracy from Brussels and our own
government's constant interference in business, the attraction of investing
in something like Laissez Faire City is obvious," said Peter Nichols, 65,
from Great Missenden in Buckinghamshire, who recently sold his mult-million
pound food business and was struck by the advertisement. "It is something I
will be looking into further."
"I'm very ecited," said an Oxfordshre investor who asked not to be
named. "It is time to create this new society. I would very much like to
be a part of any such scheme."
The project is based on the principles of the late Ayn Rand, a
novelist and political theorist. The Fountainhead (1943), her best-known
work, made into a film starring Gary Cooper, depicts an architect-hero whose
genius prevails over sightless social conformity. In Atlas Shrugged (1957),
frustrated western businessmen set up a dynamic city state in the mountains
of South America.
"When Laissez Faire City becomes a reality," investors are told,
"Rand's spirit will undoubtedly become one with the rays of sun which shall
shine down on what may become known as the miracle city of the 21st century."
Unfortunately, the facts may not match the hype. Questioning of the
founders reveals plans for the land use fees. A flow of money is needed for
the host country, not least to encourage it to hand over land to a bunch of
foreigners. The cash will come from property leases.
Economists are sceptical. professor Charles Bean of the London
School of Economics, saw the idea as potty. "You can create very successful
areas with trade incentives," he said, "but the notion that you can create a
self-sustaining capitalist nirvana contradicts the fundamentals of economics."
Sir Alfred Sherman, a Thatcherite guru, said: "My job is trying to
find ways of making our imperfect society work, not create new ones."
Sir Benjamin slade, the right-wing shipping magnate who never deals
with countries that have green in their flag or where people do not wear
overcoats in winter, thought he would stay in Britain: "This doesn't really
have anything to offer the international businessman. not unless you do it
on the Isle of Wight."
The Statue of Liberty from the ye ol playbook may not have worked as planned the last time tried, but it's been awhile and maybe the minions won't expect it, let alone connect the dots, as the team's at an impasse on the gridiron with the goalpost in sight.
Fuck the vase, how can you trust someone who not only owns a poodle but has mistaken it for a canvas?
He is not serious. yw.
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Is that a Ming Vase? Was it purchased with pre-ordered money? Can I see a receipt?
Normally I'd write this off as a joke, but I honestly can't tell if you're serious. That's how ludicrous yours and others requests have been in the past... something that should obviously be a joke is so close to the current reality that it's indistinguishable from it.
Yeah, that's pretty much my reaction, too. I would like to be able to enjoy that joke, because it's a good one. It would be funny if I didn't have it in the back of my mind asking "Is he serious? WTF?"
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Is that a Ming Vase? Was it purchased with pre-ordered money? Can I see a receipt?
Normally I'd write this off as a joke, but I honestly can't tell if you're serious. That's how ludicrous yours and others requests have been in the past... something that should obviously be a joke is so close to the current reality that it's indistinguishable from it.
BFL customers are like the women that get beat by their husband and stay with them because she loves him.
Unfortunately, the world as we know it is filled with greedy individuals, and businesses like BFL will stay afloat even though they are obviously incompetent and incapable of running a business properly. This is what really irks me... these incompetent business people, freaking liars (shipping inOctober November December January), will be getting the most business out of all ASIC manufacturers... something is seriously not right with the world.
And then Inaba has the nerve to say "Well, why don't you do it?" BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP. It is a borderline scam (not surprising coming from Sonny's past) and at the very least unethical. You really think you have the most pre-orders because your product is so much better than the other manufacturers? Child please... It would be absolutely suicide to start an ASIC development with so many already preordered from other manufacturers.
Unfortunately, the world as we know it is filled with greedy individuals, and businesses like BFL will stay afloat even though they are obviously incompetent and incapable of running a business properly. This is what really irks me... these incompetent business people, freaking liars (shipping in
And then Inaba has the nerve to say "Well, why don't you do it?" BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP. It is a borderline scam (not surprising coming from Sonny's past) and at the very least unethical. You really think you have the most pre-orders because your product is so much better than the other manufacturers? Child please... It would be absolutely suicide to start an ASIC development with so many already preordered from other manufacturers.
I know! BFL is so evil! They are, *gasp* 2.5 months late to ship a product! The horror! Oh the humanity! Oh my god, how can things be so horrible!?
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Is that a Ming Vase? Was it purchased with pre-ordered money? Can I see a receipt?
Normally I'd write this off as a joke, but I honestly can't tell if you're serious. That's how ludicrous yours and others requests have been in the past... something that should obviously be a joke is so close to the current reality that it's indistinguishable from it.
This entire thread is getting (probably has been by most standards) pathetic...
I have been here long enough to recognize the winners and losers. Those in a beneficial position, safe position, and in the target zone. It matters not though... Even if everyone in this thread realized that this just another 'mega-thread' full of antagonizing and general assholery, it won't matter... The antagonists will antagonize and the 'victims' will react however they so choose. Anything beyond silence just fuels the antagonists even more though.
I have been here long enough to recognize the winners and losers. Those in a beneficial position, safe position, and in the target zone. It matters not though... Even if everyone in this thread realized that this just another 'mega-thread' full of antagonizing and general assholery, it won't matter... The antagonists will antagonize and the 'victims' will react however they so choose. Anything beyond silence just fuels the antagonists even more though.
But every time a post is published in this thread,
This entire thread is getting (probably has been by most standards) pathetic...
I have been here long enough to recognize the winners and losers. Those in a beneficial position, safe position, and in the target zone. It matters not though... Even if everyone in this thread realized that this just another 'mega-thread' full of antagonizing and general assholery, it won't matter... The antagonists will antagonize and the 'victims' will react however they so choose. Anything beyond silence just fuels the antagonists even more though.
I have been here long enough to recognize the winners and losers. Those in a beneficial position, safe position, and in the target zone. It matters not though... Even if everyone in this thread realized that this just another 'mega-thread' full of antagonizing and general assholery, it won't matter... The antagonists will antagonize and the 'victims' will react however they so choose. Anything beyond silence just fuels the antagonists even more though.
In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Of course he have someone!
Look at his best friend:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/muSCrjDRiC8ysj3v6hNTzQ
Is that a Ming Vase? Was it purchased with pre-ordered money? Can I see a receipt?
In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Of course he have someone!
Look at his best friend:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/muSCrjDRiC8ysj3v6hNTzQ
In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Facebook is your friend.
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Again you seem to be missing the point. Intentionally? We both know I cannot prove a non-event, and we both know I cannot prove YOUR intent when you say something. I can prove what you said and when you said it however and others can determine the legitimacy of your assertions. As it stands, you said it, it didn't happen, and your customers are still waiting. That includes any potential customers that were swayed by your inappropriate(MO) claims that BFL had any chance of shipping ASICs in December. Your competition chose not to pursue this course and instead announced a single lengthy delay and took the heat for it.
What's that? Is that the sound of your argument deflating that I hear? It sounds like a loud fart. Yes, that's right, you can't prove a negative, but somehow you have no problem asserting that it's undeniably true at every opportunity. You can't have it both ways... either you can prove what you say (which you just admitted you can't) or you lie every time you make the assertion about something being true that you can't prove.
Either way, you're a liar... but we already proved that ages ago.
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Anyone who would buy from BFL at this time deserves to lose their money.
Oh hey, Josh-logic [Warning, disclaimer: This is not a valid argument.]
"Back up your ASIC claims with some facts or they didn't happen."
Guys, please form an orderly queue when cancelling your preorders.
Don't get trampled in the January stampede.
Oh hey, Josh-logic [Warning, disclaimer: This is not a valid argument.]
"Back up your ASIC claims with some facts or they didn't happen."
Guys, please form an orderly queue when cancelling your preorders.
Don't get trampled in the January stampede.
Awww elux... I feel sorry for you. You are playing in the big boy sandbox and getting trampled by both sides... you're a cute little fella though. You keep spouting this (along with PL). Too bad wishing for things to be true doesn't actually make them true, though. You know what they say about wishes and horses or something like...
Yes you surely put me in my place. Only way you could've topped that performance would've been actually doing something you said you'd do in a timely fashion. Oh wait, I can't argue that you did not in fact "schedule shipments" for October. Dang...burned by those BFLisms once again.
The irony is that you've benefited me as well Mr. Z. If you weren't such a...character(edited for Xmas) then I'd have ordered from BFL and I too would be waiting till after all the honest manufacturers shipped for an ASIC product. Also by deceiving so many with your bogus "scheduled shipments" BFLism(scam) you've tied their funds up so they won't be hashing for months, which lowers ROI for those that ordered from your competition.
So thank you, I'll go ahead and consider it my Christmas gift from BFL.
In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba post 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
Or hell, just hire a prostitute and spend some "quality time" with her. Or him, if thats his thing.
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