Topic: [Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 68. (Read 69394 times)

In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.

Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba posts 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?

I'll go on record and state that Josh is a lot smarter and more successful than I. I even admire his work ethics and ability to multitask. That is a serious assessment. I, on the other hand, am by no means gullible nor stupid. (aware that wasn't directed toward me, creativex)


I, for one, did catch it when you stated the same a few posts further up. At the time of reading it, I couldn't help but think that you, too, read Robert Ringer's book entitled Winning Through Intimidation which, BTW, includes in its forward that he titled said book using the off-putting word Intimidation because its meaning was slanted to the pejorative, much as Rand did when she entitled her book “The Virtue of Selfishness”.

Also, between the covers of this masterpiece, we learn: There Are Only Three Types of People This begs the question: Which type are we dealing with here?

~Bruno K~

Call me old fashioned, but if I heard a rep of a company with any status speak in this manner in any public forum, for whatever reason, I would think poorly of the company by association.


I'm curious if only the select few common participants of this thread are here just because others realize this is not a thread where any serious dialog occurs between BFL and it's customers.

BFL customers are like the women that get beat by their husband and stay with them because she loves him.  

Unfortunately, the world as we know it is filled with greedy individuals, and businesses like BFL will stay afloat even though they are obviously incompetent and incapable of running a business properly. This is what really irks me... these incompetent business people, freaking liars (shipping in October November December January), will be getting the most business out of all ASIC manufacturers... something is seriously not right with the world.

And then Inaba has the nerve to say "Well, why don't you do it?" BECAUSE BFL MISGUIDED ALMOST THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PRE-ORDER FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SHIP. It is a borderline scam (not surprising coming from Sonny's past) and at the very least unethical. You really think you have the most pre-orders because your product is so much better than the other manufacturers? Child please... It would be absolutely suicide to start an ASIC development with so many already preordered from other manufacturers.

What's that?  Is that the sound of your argument deflating that I hear?  It sounds like a loud fart.  Yes, that's right, you can't prove a negative, but somehow you have no problem asserting that it's undeniably true at every opportunity.  You can't have it both ways... either you can prove what you say (which you just admitted you can't) or you lie every time you make the assertion about something being true that you can't prove. 

Either way, you're a liar... but we already proved that ages ago.


Awww elux... I feel sorry for you.  You are playing in the big boy sandbox and getting trampled by both sides... you're a cute little fella though.  You keep spouting this (along with PL).  Too bad wishing for things to be true doesn't actually make them true, though.  You know what they say about wishes and horses or something like...

He's not that stupid, he only counts on customers, no... let's be honest here and call them victims, to be that stupid.

Wait...


"Go on, prove that I wouldn't have done X given some impossible counterfactual event, Y."

Can't really prove that, can you now?

I don't know if he's that stupid; or only faking it. (And doing a convincing job.)


Fixed that last part. Anyone who would buy from BFL at this time deserve to lose their money.

Guys, please form an orderly queue when cancelling your preorders. Don't get trampled in the January stampede.

Come on, about everyone that came to this thread and followed the 3 to 5 membered anti-BFL league that makes 80% of the postings here, came to the same conclusion; the substance of your repetitive anti-BFL rants has reached a level of stupidity seldom seen at any hardware forum ever. I, for one, have ambivalent feelings in regards to BFL's handling of this asic marketing, and the ambivalence is solely due to not making the suggested delivery dates that were supposed to be. However, the ongoing rising stupidity and emptiness of the anti-Inaba, anti-BFL_Josh and anti-BFL attitude here, just strengthened my believe that I made the right choice by ordering from BFL.

Yes, I think we're getting to the point that it should be reasonably clear to most rational observers that either your detractors are lying...or you are.

Again you seem to be missing the point. Intentionally? We both know I cannot prove a non-event, and we both know I cannot prove YOUR intent when you say something. I can prove what you said and when you said it however and others can determine the legitimacy of your assertions. As it stands, you said it, it didn't happen, and your customers are still waiting. That includes any potential customers that were swayed by your inappropriate(MO) claims that BFL had any chance of shipping ASICs in December. Your competition chose not to pursue this course and instead announced a single lengthy delay and took the heat for it.

The deniable BFLisms you routinely spout have a relatively short shelf life and you've been milking them for months as it is. You need some new material bud.

Oops!  There you go, lying again!  Back up your claim with some facts or it didn't happen.  You just can't help yourself can you?  You lie more than CreativeX.


And you know this how?  Oh, you don't know this, you are just making things up and hoping they are true... ergo, you are also a liar.  Again, back up your claim with facts.  If you can't, then you are lying.  Please prove that if we had received the chips in early December (or December 11th if it please you) that we could not have shipped by the end of December.  Go on, lets see you prove it.

I think you miss the point of these threads entirely Josh or you're again playing dumb. This is not about clock buffers, lease agreements, or building permits...it's about credibility. You post things that contradict other BFL reps and then don't explain, or your posts are contradicted by another BFL rep and not explained. You were attempting to sell the concept that BFL could still ship in late December(as were others at BFL) as recently as early December, but that was not going to happen even if you had received chips the week of December 11th. You've attempted to blame a nameless, faceless, voiceless, secret fab for decisions BFL has made...including selecting said fab. All of this combined with BFL's history and the affiliation with the Vleisides should make any reasonable person cautious IMO.

Actually, I want two things.

Tap my ignore button. (once, not twice...twice is two fingers worth )

And...

Be polite to your current, future and former customer base.

^^ That is it! ^^

I cannot speak for the others though.

P.S. If you can throw it in as a christmas present, how about some honesty and actual answering of questions. Sure, ignore ours. But at least answer all those questions on the company forum with something other than...it is "proprietary information".

I am guessing you either don't know how to count or you are using exponents. (Joke intended)

The last time you reported cancellations it was first 5, then 6, then 10. Then you stopped reporting the number of cancellations. This was in or around late October.

So unless you have 10 fingers per hand before the poop !=slammed=! into the fan...uh, you are lying.

When asked by your own customers about your financial well being you have resolutely declined to give that information. So here I am. I am stating a known piece of information you have stated before. You have more than 10 cancellations...and I assume only 5 fingers per hand.

I don't have to Puerto Libre, you do it for me every time you post.


Herp derp!  Resized photos have EXIF data stripped!  But that convenient fact must have slipped your notice, right?  Do you seriously think my phone takes 1280px pictures?


I only have what they write to judge them by.  So going by the information they have given me (in incredible volume), I would have to say yes.  Yes that are that stupid. Or... going with your theme, they are intentionally misinterpreting things to cause drama and flames, so they can garner attention and feel special?  I wonder which it is.   

Being serious for a moment, if you took what's been posted by PR, PG and even yourself to any individual on the street and gave them the background information to put the posts in context, they would think you guys are mentally unbalanced, obsessive and fixated.  They would look at the demands you guys make and recoil in horror or humor as to the complete lunacy that is on display here on a regular basis.  The latest is that you want a copy of our lease agreements and building permits.  You guys are seriously requesting this.  It's not a joke.  That is what has been requested.  The list goes on and on the farther back you go in the post history.  You guys are really mentally unbalanced, I truly believe this.  Does it make any difference?  No, not really.  You are what you are and when I can go back and forth with you over the same thing over and over, it keeps the BFL thread(s) at the top of the list, which gives us exposure, which in turn drives sales.  The few (very few) sales that it has "cost" us pale in comparison to what we gain from the exposure (Our cancellations from my posting(s) can be counted on one hand.  At least, that we know of.  I'm sure there are some we don't know of, but the total refund requests we have received are minuscule.). 

I was, in fact, being quite serious above. I would have abandoned this type of discourse a long time ago if I wasn't literally getting paid to take the abuse you guys dish out.  One of the key aspects of this portion of my job is that I am familiar and experienced with the kind of drama that fuels this type of forum and have been a part of this archetype forum and its predecessors since the late 80's.  People who aren't embedded in this culture usually can't tolerate the vitriol filled hate that is dished out at the drop of a hat and just switch off.  You and the rest of the crew want someone to direct your impotent rage at for your various reasons and I provide a convenient target. The fact that I seemingly disregard or dismiss your intelligent (to you) discourse as being stupid, pedantic or irrelevant just fuels that impotent rage further.  To normal, every day society the "intelligent discourse" you guys dole out in volumes every day appears to be the rumblings and ravings of lunatics... but once you can get past the blather and bluster, there actually is a message there on occasion and that's where I come in.  I have to wade through all your crap and pick out the peanuts of truth that actually need to be addressed... the rest can be discarded.  So yes, I discard most of what you say, because it truly is crap. You so very rarely have anything of value to contribute, but when that nugget of goodness comes along, I address it and we move on and the cycle repeats.  What's unfortunate is that this far into the cycles (yes, primarily by our delays), you guys just end up repeating the same crap over and over (and screaming louder and louder presumably in the hope that someone will listen) and those nuggets are fewer and far between, so we end up with days and days of your same shit slinging because there's nothing new and you guys are not, unfortunately, creative enough to come up with anything new. 

At first, I figured you (by you, I don't mean just you CreativeX, but the entire BFL clown crew) would give up and eventually move on... but boy did I turn out to be wrong.  You guys are like the rat that keeps pushing the button for more cocaine to the exclusion of all else, until it dies.  I've even told you directly that this is what I'm doing, but you keep coming back for more.  In the beginning I thought if someone caught on to what was happening the jig was up, but apparently those fears were unfounded. I can tell you to your face that I am pushing your buttons specifically to get a rise out of you and you still respond to the button pushing.  It's kind of liberating and I am curious how exactly far it can be taken... How far will you let me push you, even though you know you are being driven? 

Josh I know you're a lot smarter and successful than those you belittle, but is it just possible that the fellas that posted up there ^^ aren't the gullible stupid dummies you're portraying them to be?

The same critical thinking that was to much to ask of the construction crew or BFL staff to fully cover sensitive equipment prior to drywall installation. But I wouldn't know anything about drywall dust unless I was the contractor who repaired/installed drywall and plaster in the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tennessee, in 1991.

I don't believe anybody stated that the images were taken yesterday, but I have implied, for the record, that they were taken last week, even though the EXIF data was conveniently stripped, of which can't be blamed on where they're hosted, for other images hosted on the same server still have EXIF data intact.


Logic dictates that an area photographed in one state can be re-photographed in another within only a couple days, whether it was accomplished 2-3 months ago or last week, albeit either would still constitute awhile ago.

Your move! In case you've forgotten, you're white(Stetson XXXXX Hat) and I'm black(aluminum hat).

~Bruno K~

LOL, You just experienced an Epic logic fail.

Your prior argument was whether people are "successful" or "losers".

I pointed out you should not to waive that around as a battering ram as you don't know whether your customer are or aren't "super successful".

Your ?intelligent? retort:

Their customers! <-- Wow, you really missed that barn by a mile.

It is said that people under prolonged stress become less intelligent. I think you just proved that point. Not just right now, but you keep devolving as your responses become more emotional and lack substance.

My God, are you blind?

Look around your forum! Do you want me to point out a list of threads in the last 15 days?

Again, an Epic failure to observe reality. Consistent with your delusions.

There is no excuse. I have to baby sit a server because I haven't finished programming some of the automated functions.

You get paid, but you don't produce. Simple as that.

You suck at customer service.
You don't coordinate things on time and your extended delays have cost you a good crop of previous customers. Just one case in point CoinHoarder = 8,000USD.

Do you get paid at the end of the day? Sure. Are you worth it? I guess for now, until you get the pink slip...you are being paid. Hopefully for the long term.

Perhaps it is because you are extremely affordable? If not, then it is probably because you have some kind of connection to the services currently being used and if that were the case, looking the other way on your behavior is probably less costly.



What? No one has BFL [ASIC] hardware yet? You just "wrote a bunch of bullshit, what a surprise".

On top of this irony, I will also say that you are also shaping up to be the tardiest to the game.

You don't need any help to fail, you simply excel at it!  

Quote from: Inaba on December 25, 2012, 01:11:03 PM

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Likewise, spend more time at work and get crackin'.

See above.  This is part of my job you dolt.  Again, what is your excuse?

You are right. I am wasting time, I should get crackin'.

If you didn't have time to do this back and forth imagine all the useful work we would both get done. (Seriously, it's sad!)

Quote from: Inaba on December 25, 2012, 01:11:03 PM

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As for your verbal abuse, your hurl it without much rhyme or reason these days. You are a rage-aholic as far as I can see (IMO). Other than your apparent stress caused by you....um success....I see your rage as a barometer to gauge your success rate.

You're right... I am getting to the point of phoning it in lately.  I do find it pleasing that you view me as sitting at the keyboard, intently staring at the screen and raging at people like you.  The truth of the matter is, I whip out my missive in a minute or two and then completely forget about it until I click the "Unread Topics" again.  

Practice makes perfect. It may explain why that counter above your public profile is so damn high. [!]

Quote from: Inaba on December 25, 2012, 01:11:03 PM

There's no rage here man, I honestly don't care what you think or what you post for the most part.  Yes, it sometimes annoys me when you post the more egregious lies you are so fond of, but it's a fairly minor annoyance and passes quickly.  For the most part, I don't give you a second thought except for those fleeting moments I type a reply like this.  Like I said, you are pretty much meaningless in the scheme of things and you have no value either as a participant in Bitcoin or as a human being (much like CreativeX), so I don't really waste any time on you beyond what's required to do my job.  You are not a customer, you will never be a customer and we never want you to be a customer.  

Do as D3 said, if you have the time to post hurling crap, take the time to stop yourself and post something insightful that makes us all look dumb.

For a man of your caliber, it would not be hard I imagine.

Quote from: Inaba on December 25, 2012, 01:11:03 PM

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So far you last post had more caps and !!! than normal. So I think you might get there someday. (All joking aside, hope the Lord is with you on that)

The caps I used were for a) comedic effect and b) to prove a point - all your writing is basically rhetoric ungrounded in reality.  Your alarmist postings, filled with false information is akin to the ALL CAPS!!!11! I use, which demonstrate how ridiculous what you write really is.  I guess I gave you too much credit for figuring that out.  I will revise my estimate of your intelligence further downwards.

What a coincidence....we were both doing exactly the same?

Does that mean we are both pretty dumb, or pretty smart. I shiver to consider the possibilities.

Quote from: Inaba on December 25, 2012, 01:11:03 PM

PS - Why do you tinfoil hat types assume all the pictures I posted were taken yesterday?  In fact, if you stopped and used your brain for even two seconds, you'd realize that the pictures couldn't have been taken recently, since some of them show the same space in different states... ergo they were taken awhile ago.  Duh.  I guess critical thinking is too much to ask.

Thank you for those photos. They were much appreciated.

No, they don't fall into the same bracket by any stretch of the imagination, lets see why:

a) They are customers.  You are not.
b) They aren't here bitching and whining.  You are.


See, the difference is I get paid to be here.  You don't.  If was not getting paid to respond to your stupidity, believe me, I wouldn't.  You are about as interesting as 3 day old vomit... but since sparring with people like you drives sales, here I am.  What's your excuse?


Really?  So you know my daily routine huh?  Stalker much?


Really?  How's it going with your ASIC mining?  What's that, you don't have any?  Ohhh... so basically you just wrote a bunch of bullshit, what a surprise.


See above.  This is part of my job you dolt.  Again, what is your excuse?


You're right... I am getting to the point of phoning it in lately.  I do find it pleasing that you view me as sitting at the keyboard, intently staring at the screen and raging at people like you.  The truth of the matter is, I whip out my missive in a minute or two and then completely forget about it until I click the "Unread Topics" again.  There's no rage here man, I honestly don't care what you think or what you post for the most part.  Yes, it sometimes annoys me when you post the more egregious lies you are so fond of, but it's a fairly minor annoyance and passes quickly.  For the most part, I don't give you a second thought except for those fleeting moments I type a reply like this.  Like I said, you are pretty much meaningless in the scheme of things and you have no value either as a participant in Bitcoin or as a human being (much like CreativeX), so I don't really waste any time on you beyond what's required to do my job.  You are not a customer, you will never be a customer and we never want you to be a customer. 


The caps I used were for a) comedic effect and b) to prove a point - all your writing is basically rhetoric ungrounded in reality.  Your alarmist postings, filled with false information is akin to the ALL CAPS!!!11! I use, which demonstrate how ridiculous what you write really is.  I guess I gave you too much credit for figuring that out.  I will revise my estimate of your intelligence further downwards.

PS - Why do you tinfoil hat types assume all the pictures I posted were taken yesterday?  In fact, if you stopped and used your brain for even two seconds, you'd realize that the pictures couldn't have been taken recently, since some of them show the same space in different states... ergo they were taken awhile ago.  Duh.  I guess critical thinking is too much to ask.

...what makes you think they need a permit for whatever work they are doing?: http://www.opkansas.org/doing-business/permits-and-licenses/building-permits-and-fees/



Perhaps BFL didn't get a permit because it cost too much: http://www.opkansas.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/permit-fees.pdf


I wasn't, at first, until I witnessed firsthand how Josh reacts to simple questions (little known moniker that Josh used while visiting Costa Rica(?)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TugslL45aXk

A permit would clearly show that BFL was in no position in October to produce at best, and lack of a permit, though one is needed, shows something else in play at worse.

Seriously though, Josh does probably do alot of work we will never hear about.

The current state of affairs does not warrant (in my sane opinion) any posturing or words about how incredibly successful he/BFL is without delivering a product. They are long overdue and way behind.

So keep that in mind Josh when you next say that you are the king of awesome.