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legendary
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December 25, 2012, 10:58:26 AM

What I find most telling, however, is the fact that the most vocal critics are the ones who have never accomplished anything in life.  
Not sure why you are hung up on accomplishments.

Just don't wave that talent in front of your own customers with vigor as most of them probably fall in the same bracket. Wink

Besides you are no mind reader so your facts on that matter are pretty flimsy.


They are on a forum, bitching about how bad BFL is...
Counterpoint: You spend probably more time than several of us combined. For example, look at your online stats (specifically your publicly available hours on the forum).

That is actual substance, not of conjecture. (You don't like conjecture right?)

They have never done anything like what we are doing, they will never do anything like what we are doing, but they have the temerity to bitch and whine.  
I will give you credit where credit is due. You are right, most of us (or your customers) will never sit down and plot out an ASIC in our lifetimes. Then again, neither did you, you paid someone to do it for you. (Nasser et, al)

You also had someone take care of the fab aspect for you. It is painfully obvious by now that they were incompetent at keeping a schedule.

The only thing you are actually directly responsible for (as COO) is taking in orders as well as directing your CS staff. Oh and lots of delays in everything. [Lots of refunds for failing to meet expectations etc.]

Accomplishments...there in there somewhere I guess? (Tip: Don't take credit for others work, Josh)

So, once again, it begs the question:  If you can do better; if you think BFL does it so poorly... why aren't you doing it?
We don't feel like asking for pre-orders and then making people wait half a year (and counting).

There are other vendors who will and can do it for us at a better cost both financially and without the moral/ethical bankruptcy.  

Why aren't you showing us how it's done?  Why aren't you raking in the dough with your business prowess?
Of which you took in from the VC and your pre-order customers...which you still have yet to fulfill....in dwindling numbers.

I know, those crappy problematic facts.

Why... are you on a forum, verbally sparring with someone like me?  
Likewise, spend more time at work and get crackin'.

If BFL is so crappy, why does it dwarf all other vendors, combined several times over?
See line above about moral/ethical bankruptcy, long delays, and pre-orders captured on empty non-delivered promises. 

Yes, let me hear your answers, PG, CreativeX, Syke, Frizz, et al.  Let me hear why you choose not be successful and instead spend your time getting verbally abused by me instead?  

If you are deluded enough to consider your strategy and implementation a success....

Well, monetarily you did succeed[?] in capturing massive amounts of wealth through undelivered promises to this day (in your ASIC product line). Yet, each day, you are likely giving thousands of dollars of your customers very money back to them because you failed to deliver on time. (or just deliver period)

I say "your customers money" because it isn't technically BFL's until they hand over the hardware. So question, beyond the VC's money and that of your customers, what is "your money"?

As for your verbal abuse, your hurl it without much rhyme or reason these days. You are a rage-aholic as far as I can see (IMO). Other than your apparent stress caused by you....um success....I see your rage as a barometer to gauge your success rate.

If you ever get to the level of death threats typed IN ALL CAPS with lots of EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!, well, you must be swimming in the piles of success right?

So far you last post had more caps and !!! than normal. So I think you might get there someday. (All joking aside, hope the Lord is with you on that)

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You say you are "succeeding", in some twisted sense, but then, why are your customers so angry with you? Whats that? Are you going to say they aren't angry with you?

Then, surely they are really happy with you and the long delays?
sr. member
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December 25, 2012, 10:41:47 AM
That most recent batch of photos posted by Inaba should finally shut them all up.

You mean the photos that allegedly show work being started(apparently without a permit) to ready a facility for the assembly of BFL ASICs in December that were supposed to be shipped in October November December January? Those photos? Not long ago we were told BFL's operation was going to be conducted at Chris's studio remember?

Why must these photos have come out this way? ...after all this controversy? Both BTCFPGA and Avalon voluntarily released photos of their facilities long ago and neither has been working on ASICs as long as BFL has. BFL has collected more pre-order funds than the other ASIC vendors and is still more opaque than the others. There's no way this information is top secret at this point. Avalon has built a countdown clock on their website, and ASICMiner claims to have chips in the QC/packaging process just now. The time for secrecy is over. BFL is likely to be last to ship at this point, the time for excuses and stalling is over.

hero member
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December 25, 2012, 10:22:13 AM
You actually believe it....just because he says it, GigaVPS?


He didn't say that? I'm pretty sure he is a lot less likely to take someone's word for something given the GLBSE shutdown.


My first attempt at the parody. Only one minor error, and it could have been worded just a tad tighter, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OznV2kdlgiE

Created for humor purposes only. Consider any truisms a coincidence.

Hey, I'm not on meds! I'm perfect for the position! Grin
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 10:17:10 AM
You actually believe it....just because he says it, GigaVPS?

Lets see, his claim is that we ?badmouth? BFL and their sales suddenly spike? (are the customers retarded?)

OH, they also ordered...just now...yes, just now! [End of the line]
With no real expectations on a solid shipping date plus massive delays from their expected shipping date.

Really, why are you even believing his nonsense. Then again, there is a sucker born every minute....it could be.

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His hardcore [forum] customers have been cancelling and abandoning ship. But he claims he only came on here because their sales are slowing down and each time he does, his sales magically pick up?

I am actually smiling in pity right now at anyone who believes that story. Now that is unicorn blood.  Grin
vip
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AKA: gigavps
December 25, 2012, 10:11:03 AM
The sad thing is no one [from BFL] stops him!

It's pretty obvious that you don't read Inaba's posts. If you had, you would know that they actually make MORE MONEY when there is controversy in this thread.

You are selling more equipment for BFL every time you restart the flame war, and getting paid nothing for it I might add.
legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
December 25, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
That most recent batch of photos posted by Inaba should finally shut them all up.
if not, We should start Staining thier Ignore button, If we all do it togeather, Then eventually people will see a piss stained Ignore button, and realise that the post has Zero value to it
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 09:05:31 AM


I'm just curious what the magical date is for many of the people who ordered in June/July to lose faith and pull the plug.


I wonder if that date even exists and the delays could stretch on for another 6 months.  Hmmm.

For me, it would be when someone ships a competing product, and is taking new orders.
full member
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December 25, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
All good and gravy... just get your products out the door... or simply...

http://www.avalon-asics.com/

And they get my money. I can't afford to sit around and wait for promises when BFL's competitor can deliver.

I mean really, $1299 - 60 Gh/s - 400W delivered VS um.... waiting.


Technically Avalon hasn't delivered yet, so it's waiting vs waiting. I understand that they have a fair chance of delivering earlier, but there's no need to misrepresent the situation if you already have a valid point.
hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
December 25, 2012, 03:51:23 AM
WHY DO FAMILIES ALWAYS FIGHT ON CHRISTMAS?!?
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 03:49:14 AM
PG, why are you so stuck on the permit issue?  Minor remodeling can be done without permits without trouble... what makes you think they need a permit for whatever work they are doing?
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
December 25, 2012, 03:09:30 AM
The sad thing is no one [from BFL] stops him!

I think BFL must actually encourage his behavior! It's what they like to see him do, right?

Have you ever heard any of them complain about his behavior? I have seen Jody comment on it publicly. She didn't express any problems as far as I saw. (Keep in mind she is the General Manager at the company.)

...who walks around with a chicken on her shoulder, making sure Sonny scratches off the lottery tickets correctly, while Nasser is on holiday in Rome.

More on the permit issue. Upon perusing the Kansas City, Leawood, and Overland Park (this is the correct one), Kansas, websites in their respective permit sections, no permit was pulled for 10770 El Monte in the past 120 days, unless it was done on Monday, the 24th, for all three sites are up to date (last Thursday/Friday). The only other reason it wouldn't be on their site is if the site operator for the municipality made a mistake. I guess there could be one other reason for the sites not having a listing of a pull permit, but surely that can't be the case because...

The Overland Park website would be the most logical to have the permit listed because one was pulled by AL Huber in 2009 for the 10770 El Monte address. Make no mistake, the work shown being performed at said address does warrant a permit.

I sure would hate to be one of Josh's blood cells when he reads this post in the morning.

BTW, it takes 90 days to get a permit for a sign approved. It sure would be nice to have one of them large Bitcoin logo signs overlooking the interstate for the passerbys could see, coupled with a great place for the monarchs to rest their wings while migrating further north from Mexico come spring.
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 02:30:55 AM
The sad thing is no one [from BFL] stops him!

I think BFL must actually encourage his behavior! It's what they like to see him do, right?

Have you ever heard any of them complain about his behavior? I have seen Jody comment on it publicly. She didn't express any problems as far as I saw. (Keep in mind she is the General Manager at the company.)
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 02:25:10 AM
Also why couldn't the BFL for just once try what happens if they try to pretend they have a competent PR rep or even just a non-moronic deranged lunatic behind the keyboard that could in this instance just write for example: "The space we have rented is suitable for our needs and is more than 1200SF". and left it at that. no insults, no nothing else.


I believe you have too much common sense within you. You would make a terrible BFL rep (by their metrics at least) but a great PR guy anywhere else if you followed that advice.

If Josh did as you described...well...he probably wouldn't be "Josh" anymore. He's the resident xxxxxxx that we all have a good laugh over. Other vendors also laugh at that guys antics and lunacy. He shows them how it is "not done" in the business. Really keeps everyone on their toes.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
December 25, 2012, 02:15:52 AM
I don't get that you guys were supposed to start shipping in October, but you're just now moving into an office space that is big enough for assembly/shipping/sales in late December... and you haven't even completed construction.

I'm sorry Inaba, but that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not saying you're scamming anybody, but at the very least your business is ran very poorly from the outside looking in.

Yes, that's right.  You and all the other speculators don't get it because it's immaterial.  People like PG speculate with nothing but conjecture and then pronounce it as doctrine and try to convince everyone that this is the way it is. What you, PG, PL etc... fail to understand is that BFL is not beholden to answering stupid, idiotic questions at every turn.

This is a part of being in a business that sells retail products directly to customers. When I used to rent skis in Colorado, people would ask the dumbest questions ever, would I tell them to go f*** themselves? No... First of all, my employer would have probably fired me on the spot (how you are still around... I have no clue. You must suck a good d***). Secondly, that's not a way to treat potential customers if you expect to do business in the future.

We are not beholden to individuals asking for information that has absolutely no bearing on anything even vaguely related to our products. There is a long string of events that has lead us to where we are now and every single one of them has not been made public. Why you and others think that we should make every single facet of our business public knowledge is beyond incredulous.  It's positively insane.

That is the problem, you took millions of dollars of pre-orders from customers and you don't expect them to be wary of your every move after you've delayed 3 months? If you would have made the delays public, this would of stymied a lot of the speculation and "stupid questions". But, you guys play mute and speculation runs rampant... it is your own fault. While you may find that looking like a scam has no bearing to anything, it does however affect your business. I cancelled my order and have read that others have as well.

You criticize us for not providing information, estimates, documents and disclosure.  So we provide that. Then you criticize us when what we've told you turns out to be different in the end because, gasp things change.  Situations change. Technology changes.  Information changes.

I have a feeling if you would gasp deliver your product, then it might possibly silence the naysayers.

What I find most telling, however, is the fact that the most vocal critics are the ones who have never accomplished anything in life.  They are on a forum, bitching about how bad BFL is... that is the extent of their contribution to the process.  They have never done anything like what we are doing, they will never do anything like what we are doing, but they have the temerity to bitch and whine.  So, once again, it begs the question:  If you can do better; if you think BFL does it so poorly... why aren't you doing it?  Why aren't you showing us how it's done?  Why aren't you raking in the dough with your business prowess?  Why... are you on a forum, verbally sparring with someone like me?  If BFL is so crappy, why does it dwarf all other vendors, combined several times over?  Yes, let me hear your answers, PG, CreativeX, Syke, Frizz, et al.  Let me hear why you choose not be successful and instead spend your time getting verbally abused by me instead?

This is just nuts, but since you brought it up... most of my family and I work in the Oil & Gas industry. In case you didn't know, the O&G industry has more money than your little bitcoin world times a hundred+. So, you can take your slightly above average yet still seemingly low paying PR job and shove it up your a**. I skateboard, snowboard, and kite board whenever possible. I am also a gamer, so I'm around to check the forums a lot and speak my mind. I live in the USA and I've been to 7 countries in Europe, about 6 in central america, and Brazil. I have a large family with 2 loving and supporting parents, 6 nieces and nephews, and 4 sisters with which I will be spending christmas day. I wouldn't trade my life for anyone in this world. Now that we've gotten to know eachother a little more Inaba, Merry Christmas.  Grin
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 02:09:24 AM
Would you be so kind as to offer up proof that I'm not successful. Surely you have proof, for you've mentioned it no less than twice above and for sure you wouldn't state any falsehoods, especially being Christmas and all.

You're here, being verbally abused by me and trolling Bitcoin Talk... need I really say more?


Since you put it that way, I guess I'm a loser. Now that that's out of the way, what about that demo permit that takes about 25 days to get approved once it's applied for. Also, in case it slipped your mind, remember that question about the FCC? You know, the agency you said you were waiting for results from after they test BFL's ASIC products containing them full-full-fully-full-fully-fully-custom chips a couple months ago. Surely the results are back by now.
hero member
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December 25, 2012, 02:03:39 AM
Jesus wept.  Haven't you guys got presents to wrap or egg nog to drink or something?
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 01:44:53 AM
Would you be so kind as to offer up proof that I'm not successful. Surely you have proof, for you've mentioned it no less than twice above and for sure you wouldn't state any falsehoods, especially being Christmas and all.

You're here, being verbally abused by me and trolling Bitcoin Talk... need I really say more?
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 01:34:58 AM
sr. member
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December 25, 2012, 01:28:38 AM
All good and gravy... just get your products out the door... or simply...

http://www.avalon-asics.com/

And they get my money. I can't afford to sit around and wait for promises when BFL's competitor can deliver.

I mean really, $1299 - 60 Gh/s - 400W delivered VS um.... waiting.
legendary
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December 25, 2012, 01:07:59 AM
I don't get that you guys were supposed to start shipping in October, but you're just now moving into an office space that is big enough for assembly/shipping/sales in late December... and you haven't even completed construction.

I'm sorry Inaba, but that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not saying you're scamming anybody, but at the very least your business is ran very poorly from the outside looking in.
What Inaba meant to say has said in the past is that the first batch is being produced/assembled by a 3rd party. They had stated previously that their new equipment would enable them to produce/assemble their own boards, but that they would not be doing that for the first batch, as it would be too large, and time was important. IIRC, it's being done by the same place they the current FPGA Singles were assembled, but I could be wrong.
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