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legendary
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December 24, 2012, 01:47:24 AM
Josh, PG has simply pointed out discrepancies in statements made by BFL.  On 10/3, it was said that equipment was currently being installed.  What does that mean?  When was the lease acquired (i.e., papers signed and all of that), and when was the equipment actually delivered and installed at the new location?

These are simple questions - I don't know why you aren't just answering PG's stuff with answers instead of saying he's wrong with nothing to counter it.

SgtSpike, you are usually pretty rational and I respect your opinion quite a bit, but are you really advocating that I release details about our lease information?  I'm sorry, but that is just utterly ridiculous.  There are no discrepancies in the statements made by BFL.  The only discrepancy here is the validity of the "detective" work that's been done.  I've posted pictures of the equipment in the past on the BFL forums, but just because some idiot on the internet reads a questionable website and then makes up bizarre scenarios to fit some twisted, tortured logic does not constitute a situation where I need to explain the inner workings of BFL.  I probably should have just let PG and PR drone on about tinfoil hat crap, but I figured I'd interject real quick to let everyone know that everything they've posted is ludicrous.

Stop and consider for a moment... people are seriously asking for our lease information.  Seriously.  I am almost speechless.  Call up any other hardware vendor in the world and ask them for a copy of their lease, see what they tell you.

By all means, people are welcome to believe it if they want it honestly makes no difference.  BFL has been more open than any other ASIC vendor with regards to our technology and our procedures, but as usual we don't get any credit because dumbasses want anal probes and access to proprietary, competitive information.  It's those self same individuals that have pushed us back from releasing more information, because any time we do, it's picked apart and if everything doesn't turn out EXACTLY like we were hoping it would, we get a bad rap.  So it's better to say nothing and let people wonder.  That's what the unreasonable demands for information have brought us to.  This is just another example of it.

So PG and PR, by all means, continue your tinfoil hat speculation.


legendary
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December 24, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
Jeez! You people are crazy, just crazy. I order stuff online all the time from small companies. Never once have I demanded to know their CEO's personal background, relationship to their PR director, detailed internal employee structuring, external 3rd party outsourcing, or any 3rd party contractual agreements for that matter. You guys want to see a copy of last years tax filings while your at it?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You guys are acting like this is the only company in the world to hire a person who's been in trouble with the law in the past. Or the only company in the world to have a production delay. Or maybe they never made EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about their new facility public knowledge. Because, you know, they're not required to at all.

I will concede that Inaba is a douche, but again, you guys aren't giving him much to work with.
legendary
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December 24, 2012, 12:57:45 AM
Josh, PG has simply pointed out discrepancies in statements made by BFL.  On 10/3, it was said that equipment was currently being installed.  What does that mean?  When was the lease acquired (i.e., papers signed and all of that), and when was the equipment actually delivered and installed at the new location?

These are simple questions - I don't know why you aren't just answering PG's stuff with answers instead of saying he's wrong with nothing to counter it.
hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
December 24, 2012, 12:55:17 AM
 What is there to say?  Do you honestly expect me to detail our move and leasing information to Bitcointalk?  Seriously?


They'll start goin through ya rubbish and start stealing knickers when you're not looking soon.

Fucking queer stalker types.
legendary
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December 24, 2012, 12:37:43 AM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.

Curious as to which parts of my assessment are false. Would you be so kind as to point them out, Josh?

Yes, I will point "them" out.  Look at everything you wrote on the subject, that is what's false.

Then provide the valid information. BFL, as a joke, stopped being funny months ago. We're all sitting here waiting for the punchline.

Provide what valid information?  Also, why?  I fail to see how detailing our facility, structure and moving plans have absolutely any bearing on anything.  YOU tell ME why you deserve or even need to know any of that information?

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Which begs the question why you're using valuable resources to maintain a capable team to run machinery that's not needed?

Why do you think this is any of your business?  Why do you care what we use "valuable resources" on?

Seriously... every single thing you've posted has been complete and utter bullshit.  You have no idea what you're talking about, you continue to post and your little pet PuertoLibre continues to "agree" with "assessments" that are not based in reality or fact.  But by all means, continue to speculate away, I'm sure you find it amusing.
donator
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Poor impulse control.
December 24, 2012, 12:31:58 AM
Which begs the question why you're using valuable resources to maintain a capable team to run machinery that's not needed?

Lasers are always needed, Phinn. Always. And if you want to mount them on sharks properly, you need a dedicated team.

EDIT: Ooops! Wrong thread. I meant to post in the "Super Villian get together" thread. Apologies, although the point stands.
sr. member
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December 24, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
Which begs the question why you're using valuable resources to maintain a capable team to run machinery that's not needed?

It was my understanding that after they get a first "batch" (number of units shipped) they will bring this assembly process into their new facility. The first units were supposed to be about haste, so they chose to outsource the pcb builds, which would then be converted to in-house built-on-demand products.
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 11:55:54 PM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.

Then provide the valid information. BFL, as a joke, stopped being funny months ago. We're all sitting here waiting for the punchline.

Joke Structure: Setup, Punchline, Tag (optional)

Obviously, BFL is still at the setup stage.

11-08-2012, 04:08 PM: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/31-community-representative-visit-bfl-manufacturing-facilities-poll-6.html#post4451

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We have never once claimed we are going to be ready to use these machines with the first shipping batch. Not once. They are not now nor have ever have they been intended to be used with our first batch of shipping product (and probably not the second). They are a long term solution.

It would be utterly silly to bring anyone in here now, while we are moving so they can help us move... heck, actually, if they want to come and help us move, by all means!

If the chips arrived today, we'd be shipping by next week you can be sure of that.

I know people want hard dates, but we don't have them to give a lot of times and then people get frustrated because I don't post an update... but when I do post an update and give a fuzzy date, people get upset because I'm not giving a hard date. So do people want me to post an update with fuzzy dates, or wait until I have a hard date to post an update? I'm fine with either method.

11-08-2012, 04:08 PM
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...while we are moving...

12-18-2012 at 04:45 PM
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Finally our new space is nearing completion and we are moving to Kansas.

10-03-2012 03:07 PM
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These units are currently being installed in our new facility.

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We have never once claimed we are going to be ready to use these machines with the first shipping batch. Not once. They are not now nor have ever have they been intended to be used with our first batch of shipping product (and probably not the second). They are a long term solution.

Which begs the question why you're using valuable resources to maintain a capable team to run machinery that's not needed?

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we've purchased an entire SMT assembly suite and hired a capable team to run it.

VC: That's some operation you have here! What's the punchline?
BFL: That's the best part! Wait for it.. To feed the Trolls.
VC: I'm a lovin' it! Here's another blank check. Keep up the good work.
BFL: Thanks, VC.
VC: Next time get a bigger place. Those capable guys pretending to run those machines need more room to work. (exercising optional tag)
BFL & VC: Hehehehehehe!!!
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.

Then provide the valid information. BFL, as a joke, stopped being funny months ago. We're all sitting here waiting for the punchline.
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 09:15:07 PM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.


Curious as to which parts of my assessment are false. Would you be so kind as to point them out, Josh?

Thanks, bud.

~Bruno K~

EDIT: I just found the following: 11-08-2012, 01:29 PM

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We just moved the oven to the new facility... hopefully we can get it and the pick and place machine installed and picture worthy in the next couple weeks.

Our laser is awesome! I will post some pictures and video of it in action. I have an almost uncontrollable urge to go Duke Nukem in the back room, rip the laser off it's mount and start zapping people.

Is 10770 El Monte the new facility you mentioned above? (As Elmer Fudd would say, "Be very, very, careful when answering that.")
sr. member
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December 23, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.

...and as usual you're saying nothing. Just hurling more anger and insults.
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 08:53:48 PM
The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.



legendary
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December 23, 2012, 08:51:46 PM
In other words, they were never ready to build a sizable assembly line?

IF what PG is pointing out is true, there was zero chance of there being an earlier shipment prior to now (or whenever they end up actually shipping).

They drew out the delays a piece at a time?

Coupled with I really don't see how they're even going to be able to manufacture subsequent batches at this facility. This is a shipping facility at best where their offices will be located. Not an assembly plant.
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
In other words, they were never ready to build a sizable assembly line?

IF what PG is pointing out is true, there was zero chance of there being an earlier shipment prior to now (or whenever they end up actually shipping).

They drew out the delays a piece at a time?
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 07:13:19 PM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/57-thursday-we-move.html#comments

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Finally our new space is nearing completion and we are moving to Kansas. It's only about 15 miles but it will give us more room to build several lines at once. If you have anything to ship to us our new address is: 10770 El Monte Street, Suite 101, Leawood, KS 66211. We share the building with a building contractor. We may be a little slow on Thursday answering emails, but we'll be back online as soon as we can.

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Finally our new space is nearing completion and we are moving to Kansas.

Ergo, nothing of BFL's was at the new facility prior to Thursday.

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...it will give us more room to build several lines at once.

Unless office space was eliminated, we're still talking about ONLY 1200 SF of warehouse/assembly space to build several lines at once. This is the flex space.

http://content.att.my.loopnet.com/Listing/17860225/10770-El-Monte-Street-Overland-Park-KS/?linkcode=13850&FromPPPP=true

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Highlights

6,000+/- SF Office/Flex Space
4,800+/- SF Nicely Finished Office Sapce
Drive-In and Van High Loading
100% A/C
Highway Visibility
Excellent Access to I-435

Description

6,000+/- SF of office/flex space within a 13,920 SF free standing building.

NEC I-435 & Roe. Highway visibility/signage. Excellent access.




Cassidy Turley does a pretty good job of keeping their lease space availability sheet updated:

As of Thursday, November 1, 2012: http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2011.1.12.pdf
As of Monday, December 3, 2012: http://www.cassidyturley.com/Portals/0/Kansas%20City/KC%20Industrial%20Listings%20Report%2012.1.12.pdf

So there was no way that eBay oven was at the new facility prior to Nov. 1.

Published on 10-03-2012 03:07 PM

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In House assembly:

One of the key bottlenecks in electronics production is PCB assembly. Outsourcing SMT to shared time equipment is the traditional solution. Outsourcing is much cheaper but it also comes at the high cost of limited flexibility. You often find yourself at the mercy of competing interests for tightly scheduled machine time. National holidays bring everything to a halt... sometimes for up to a month depending on the country.

The bottom line is that if you really want to control production speed, you have to bring PCB assembly in house. Then, if needed, weekends and 24 hour shifts can keep the production line moving to satisfy quick delivery of customer orders.

To this end we've purchased an entire SMT assembly suite and hired a capable team to run it. These units are currently being installed in our new facility.

Installed at a new facility that wasn't leased yet?

I'm also having a problem envisioning a facility assembling computer parts sharing a building with a construction company. Wouldn't there be a dust issue?
aTg
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 03:02:05 PM
With this nonsense we are giving reason to bfl to call trolls.

CALL THE TROLLS! ?   Roll Eyes

Sorry, not everyone we English speakers on this forum.
Sometimes I do not know who is more freak if BFL or we Undecided
hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
December 23, 2012, 07:31:09 AM


You rang?
bce
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December 23, 2012, 06:50:38 AM
With this nonsense we are giving reason to bfl to call trolls.

CALL THE TROLLS! ?   Roll Eyes
aTg
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 06:44:05 AM
With this nonsense we are giving reason to bfl to call trolls.
bce
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December 23, 2012, 06:36:00 AM
My fav time travel movie.




BFL is currently waiting on flux capacitors?!  Shocked  - or maybe just flux for some new PCBs?  Smiley

You're about to see some serious (bull)shit.

Would be cool if these 8 chip ASICs could be clocked up to 88GH/s  Shocked
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