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legendary
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December 23, 2012, 06:21:43 AM
My fav time travel movie.




BFL is currently waiting on flux capacitors?!  Shocked  - or maybe just flux for some new PCBs?  Smiley

You're about to see some serious (bull)shit.
bce
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December 23, 2012, 06:10:28 AM
My fav time travel movie.




BFL is currently waiting on flux capacitors?!  Shocked  - or maybe just flux for some new PCBs?  Smiley
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 04:48:35 AM
My fav time travel movie.

legendary
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DiabloMiner author
December 23, 2012, 04:32:20 AM
What is this shit? to see if I understand correctly, they move to a new location without sprinklers and a few days after they fire?

look the date

What, you've never seen time travel before?
hero member
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
December 23, 2012, 04:25:30 AM

... says the guy who just

hashed
in
his pants.

That was ages ago

Smiley
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 03:55:40 AM
What is this shit? to see if I understand correctly, they move to a new location without sprinklers and a few days after they fire?

look the date
aTg
legendary
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December 23, 2012, 03:38:45 AM
What is this shit? to see if I understand correctly, they move to a new location without sprinklers and a few days after they fire?
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 05:10:34 PM

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.



My smallest warehouse is 1200SF. It's nothing. BTW, the "No" in the image above reflects if the space is equipped with sprinklers.
Is the sprinkler system the focus of your attention? If so, why? What is the importance? (Of there not being one?)

May make it hard to insure  Huh   OR............arson to come soon for insureance money  Grin



 Shocked  Oh shit  Shocked Your crystal ball is working overtime  Cheesy
bce
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December 22, 2012, 02:53:58 PM

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.


As far as has been discussed, and as far as I know, the first run of ASICs out of BFL will not involve use of the oven or pick and place machine.  If this is the case, all that'll be needed in the next month or so for product assembly is a pretty simple final-assembly area.
Ah,
At what point does integration of the PCB's happen in-house?

BFL's talked about the various machines not being used nor ready for Batch 1.
Then Jody says there won't be any Batches. A.K.A "Built on demand."
So at which point do they start doing most of the work they are currently outsourcing?

I'm personally relieved that the first run of these PCBs won't be done in-house.  It'd be just one more thing to worry about in the whole process.
hero member
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December 22, 2012, 12:56:11 PM

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.



My smallest warehouse is 1200SF. It's nothing. BTW, the "No" in the image above reflects if the space is equipped with sprinklers.
Is the sprinkler system the focus of your attention? If so, why? What is the importance? (Of there not being one?)

May make it hard to insure  Huh   OR............arson to come soon for insureance money  Grin

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
December 22, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
I also want to add a notation.

Keep in mind that a BFL rep recently stated that they don't want their competition to know how large their operation is.

Question: Did the VC (Venture Capital) come from a source that expects to be paid in Hardware OR Hardware + Cash?

The reason I ask is, currently most are assuming that the BFL VC (who currently remain anonymous) will be paid back in $$$. What if that isn't the case?

What if they have "other orders" they need to fulfill that does not come from the orders placed on these forum communities? Again, this is hinted/implied in emails as well as public statements.

I think the actual number of units may be much more than what is currently estimated. BFL may have a private obligation to build hardware for an anonymous company. So the hashrate estimates different folks are using may be off by quite a margin.

There may be public orders AND sizable private orders. If there are (or were) 1000 BFL customers, there is no way to tell how many private (off the books?) customers there are.

They might not even use the website to checkout their orders.

Assuming what you state is true, done correctly there would be no way to know for sure how many of the ASIC mining rigs hashing coins is done by those who purchased units or by those paid in kind if the x + y is strictly followed (x = actual buyers). But as soon as the equation becomes x + yz, the cat is out of the bag.
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
Assuming the anonymous VC or any private orders exist...
We also do not know if they paid the website rate either.

Perhaps it is time to approach them by email and ask what is the rate for larger orders?
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
I also want to add a notation.

Keep in mind that a BFL rep recently stated that they don't want their competition to know how large their operation is.

Question: Did the VC (Venture Capital) come from a source that expects to be paid in Hardware OR Hardware + Cash?

The reason I ask is, currently most are assuming that the BFL VC (who currently remain anonymous) will be paid back in $$$. What if that isn't the case?

What if they have "other orders" they need to fulfill that does not come from the orders placed on these forum communities? Again, this is hinted/implied in emails as well as public statements.

I think the actual number of units may be much more than what is currently estimated. BFL may have a private obligation to build hardware for an anonymous company. So the hashrate estimates different folks are using may be off by quite a margin.

There may be public orders AND sizable private orders. If there are (or were) 1000 BFL customers, there is no way to tell how many private (off the books?) customers there are.

They might not even use the website to checkout their orders.
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 11:30:21 AM

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.


As far as has been discussed, and as far as I know, the first run of ASICs out of BFL will not involve use of the oven or pick and place machine.  If this is the case, all that'll be needed in the next month or so for product assembly is a pretty simple final-assembly area.
Ah,
At what point does integration of the PCB's happen in-house?

BFL's talked about the various machines not being used nor ready for Batch 1.
Then Jody says there won't be any Batches. A.K.A "Built on demand."
So at which point do they start doing most of the work they are currently outsourcing?
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
December 22, 2012, 11:24:32 AM
Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. What are you implying? They took delivery at their old building, then had to move it to the new one. Is there some sinister undertone to that that I'm missing?

EDIT 1: Oh, I get it now. Nevermind. Although your assumption that real estate listings are updated in a timely manner is shaky at best.

EDIT 2: "As of Nov. 14th, space was still available" - is that because of this from the third link: "Last Verified 11/14/2012"? Because you skimmed over the part in that flyer where it says "Industrial Property - Off-Market"

EDIT 3: There's also a link to click for some kind of history on the property, which without paying to see the full details, shows several activities for the property in October, coinciding with the dates BFL said. So I don't see the problem, they had the big stuff delivered to the new place before they moved their office stuff over there.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Your post has merit.

I do want to state that I didn't purposely omit the Off-market aspect if it was on the page I viewed showing the 11/14 date. I did see such a notice on another site, thus verifying that somebody has leased it, safely assuming now it was by BFL.

I have implied that this is the third iteration of a warehouse/assembly location, with Christ Vleisides photo studio being the first (though not confirmed) and the second being the place having all the parts in storage readied for assembly, coupled with the eBay oven aspect.

Perhaps this is the only other warehouse, and the 11/14 still available date tossed me (now us) a loop.

Switching gears here, that 10770 El Monte building is neat with all the green tech built in and all. Plus the location near the interstate is a plus. It would be awesome if somehow a large Bitcoin logo/flag can be put up for all the passerbys to see.

Peace, bro.

~Bruno K~
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 11:22:35 AM
Therefore, when they do eventually ship the announcement should be:

"They're here."
LazyOtto, you are hereby the king of framing jokes!
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December 22, 2012, 08:52:10 AM
Ermahgerd. Warehouses are so interesting.

But their wind turbine killed a bird! They're morally bankrupt and destroying mother nature!
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December 22, 2012, 08:37:28 AM
Ermahgerd. Warehouses are so interesting.
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December 22, 2012, 07:58:01 AM
Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. What are you implying? They took delivery at their old building, then had to move it to the new one. Is there some sinister undertone to that that I'm missing?

EDIT 1: Oh, I get it now. Nevermind. Although your assumption that real estate listings are updated in a timely manner is shaky at best.

EDIT 2: "As of Nov. 14th, space was still available" - is that because of this from the third link: "Last Verified 11/14/2012"? Because you skimmed over the part in that flyer where it says "Industrial Property - Off-Market"

EDIT 3: There's also a link to click for some kind of history on the property, which without paying to see the full details, shows several activities for the property in October, coinciding with the dates BFL said. So I don't see the problem, they had the big stuff delivered to the new place before they moved their office stuff over there.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
legendary
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December 22, 2012, 05:40:17 AM

1200SF warehouse; 4800SF Office. As of Nov. 14th, space was still available, but we were shown equipment moving in prior to that date. Possibly, the earliest starting least date was Dec. 1st. No sprinkler system. Least rate.

You are wrong. Nowhere is mentioned "1200 sq. ft".

Yeah I dont get how that works either.  Says 6000SF is avail, largest space is 6000SF, smallest space is 4800SF and office space is 4800SF (so I'm assuming this only has 2 spaces). Is he only renting some of the space? Does that happen in shit like this?



The 1200 SF warehouse space is implied. There is 6000 SF available, 4800 SF of which is considered office space. I simply subtracted the small number from the bigger number to arrive at the warehouse size. This is standard wording in such a classified ad.

As far as the will-build-to-suit is concern, yes some the office area could have been demoed, thus enlarging the warehouse/assembly area, but that would have taken time. Remember, it was a couple months ago we were shown the eBay oven being unloaded at their new warehouse, a different facility than this one which, according to Jody, they started moving into yesterday.

~Bruno K~

Yes, but whats the 13k number? Is this the total space of the whole building?

Someone misquoted a few posts ago & left out the top portion  Wink

Heres the whole "picture":




1200 sq ft isn't that small,I worked in mini/vertical blind factory's in miami,fl & they were in about the same size space.

Organized properly,you'd be surprised what can be done in 1200 sq ft  Shocked

BTW,that building was constructed in 1971,it may be grandfathered in without having to install the sprinkler system.
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