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Quote from: dlasher on August 27, 2012, 03:49:18 PM

Quote from: BFL_Josh on August 17, 2012, 05:13:01 PM

Again, a fine idea, but again we'll get complaints that we rigged the demo somehow. I'm not sure about the radio silence thing, since there's nothing that hasn't already been said available to communicate. What details would you like to know?

power usage, heat load, physical measurements, weight requirements, for the SC and 1TH boxes. If you don't want to make those public, at least make them available to certificate pre-orders under an NDA.

They have some of that info for the current gen Single, but they don't even have any of that info for the MiniRig on their website. If they don't even have that info for their currently for sale products, why would they give you the specs for a to-be-released product on a forum? Because you demanded to know?

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Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on August 27, 2012, 05:57:55 AM

I still hope to see any Terms or Policies on there website.
The following is what BFL-Engineer messaged me after I asked:

Quote from: BFL-Engineer

Dear Grouver,

I understand your concerns with the fact that no disclaimer and policies is published yet. We're working on
it as we speak, and rest assured, it is and it will be customer friendly.

-BFL-

This message was sent to me on July the 5th.
Still nothing on there website though. Undecided

Hopefully BFL_Josh won't be like BFL-Engineer

BFL-Engineer also said (on July 5th) that there would be new bitsteams that weekend ...

... and ... he said that they were already working on EasyMiner back then on July-5 ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1032988

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Quote from: BFL_Josh on August 17, 2012, 05:13:01 PM

Again, a fine idea, but again we'll get complaints that we rigged the demo somehow. I'm not sure about the radio silence thing, since there's nothing that hasn't already been said available to communicate. What details would you like to know?

power usage, heat load, physical measurements, weight requirements, for the SC and 1TH boxes. If you don't want to make those public, at least make them available to certificate pre-orders under an NDA.

Grouver (BtcBalance)

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I still hope to see any Terms or Policies on there website.
The following is what BFL-Engineer messaged me after I asked:

Quote from: BFL-Engineer

Dear Grouver,

I understand your concerns with the fact that no disclaimer and policies is published yet. We're working on
it as we speak, and rest assured, it is and it will be customer friendly.

-BFL-

This message was sent to me on July the 5th.
Still nothing on there website though. Undecided

arklan

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ya know, i actually knew all that. sigh. i feel dumb now.

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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST_hash_function_competition
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/

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Quote from: arklan on August 26, 2012, 11:15:07 PM

Quote from: kano on August 26, 2012, 03:44:08 PM

There is no choice

Let's hope they can reach a break even on the money they spent on the FPGA and then the ASIC before something happens there also ....

what else could happen, anyway? aside from quantum computing, isn't the only danger to ASICs other ASICs? thus one could infer the hasing of one ASIC chip (assuming both are actually full custom asics, anyway) compared ot another wouldn't be THAT drastically different. or so i'd think. how wrong am i?

obviously if BFL's isn't full custom and someone elses IS, well, that's a different matter.

If there is a hard fork changing the hashing then all ASIC miners will become value-less junk.
They cannot be changed to doing something other than sha256.

If someone breaks sha-2 (sha256) then the hash in bitcoin will need to be changed.

sha-1 before it, was broken, and even the US gov mandated that sha-1 wouldn't be used after 2010
sha-3 exists - why? Coz like all computing - sha-2 will be broken one day - and then we'll all move on to using sha-3

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has bfl graced us with any pictures, better delivery date, better specs, or anything of use to determine what in the heck is going on?
Oct 1st is about 30-40 days away here.

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Quote from: kano on August 26, 2012, 03:44:08 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on August 26, 2012, 03:41:47 PM

Quote from: kano on August 26, 2012, 03:39:53 PM

Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't bother people that few will make any profit on their BFL FPGAs and then they must all double their money they give to BFL before they reach that profit mark and start again ... due to BFL themselves.

What choice is there? If a person doesn't do it, someone else will and then they are left behind.

There is no choice

Let's hope they can reach a break even on the money they spent on the FPGA and then the ASIC before something happens there also ....

what else could happen, anyway? aside from quantum computing, isn't the only danger to ASICs other ASICs? thus one could infer the hasing of one ASIC chip (assuming both are actually full custom asics, anyway) compared ot another wouldn't be THAT drastically different. or so i'd think. how wrong am i?

obviously if BFL's isn't full custom and someone elses IS, well, that's a different matter.

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Quote from: imsaguy on August 26, 2012, 03:41:47 PM

Quote from: kano on August 26, 2012, 03:39:53 PM

Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't bother people that few will make any profit on their BFL FPGAs and then they must all double their money they give to BFL before they reach that profit mark and start again ... due to BFL themselves.

What choice is there? If a person doesn't do it, someone else will and then they are left behind.

There is no choice

Let's hope they can reach a break even on the money they spent on the FPGA and then the ASIC before something happens there also ....

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Quote from: kano on August 26, 2012, 03:39:53 PM

Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't bother people that few will make any profit on their BFL FPGAs and then they must all double their money they give to BFL before they reach that profit mark and start again ... due to BFL themselves.

What choice is there? If a person doesn't do it, someone else will and then they are left behind.

kano

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't bother people that few will make any profit on their BFL FPGAs and then they must all double their money they give to BFL before they reach that profit mark and start again ... due to BFL themselves.

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Quote from: odee2004 on August 26, 2012, 10:57:15 AM

Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

Ohhh.. so you mean that the "Single" was made two years ago?

No, he means the current Single is an FPGA product that has been out for a while. The SC Jalapeno is an ASIC product they are still developing.

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Quote from: odee2004 on August 26, 2012, 10:57:15 AM

Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

Ohhh.. so you mean that the "Single" was made two years ago?

You cannot relate "bitcoin time" to "real time".
Seeing as bitcoin is still relatively "new", yes, in bitcoin time, BFL singles were about 2 years ago.

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 26, 2012, 10:29:39 AM

Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

Ohhh.. so you mean that the "Single" was made two years ago?

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Does it bother you that CPU's two years ago were not as fast as CPU's today and they cost more 2 years ago?

odee2004

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Quote from: freeAgent on August 26, 2012, 10:10:48 AM

Quote from: odee2004 on August 26, 2012, 09:28:45 AM

Anyone pre-ordered their Jalapeno product?

Also, does anyone know how much power will it comsume?

Thanks.

A lot of people have preordered the Jalapeno. I've got one of them. As far as power goes, nobody knows yet. I'd imagine it will be a fairly low-power device. I hear that it will not draw all its power over USB, though, so it'll be more than 2.5 or 5 watts.

Hmmm.. so no one yet has tested the Jalapeno.

It bothers me though that the Jalapeno with 3.5GH/s is much cheaper compare to the Single with only 835 MH/s.

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Quote from: odee2004 on August 26, 2012, 09:28:45 AM

Anyone pre-ordered their Jalapeno product?

Also, does anyone know how much power will it comsume?

Thanks.

A lot of people have preordered the Jalapeno. I've got one of them. As far as power goes, nobody knows yet. I'd imagine it will be a fairly low-power device. I hear that it will not draw all its power over USB, though, so it'll be more than 2.5 or 5 watts.

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Anyone pre-ordered their Jalapeno product?

Also, does anyone know how much power will it comsume?

Thanks.

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^ that is a good thing

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