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Usually we tend to value hard earned money more than that of money that we got for free.
I would say it majorly depends on the individual's mindset on how he is using the money.
Whether it has come for free or it is his hard earned money, it all boils down to his financial literacy and making calculated risks.


You guys are already discussing an off-topic to this thread. The free games OP describing on this thread is the free spin that you can get when you hit a scatter symbols during normal spin.

I surprised that this thread already attract massive replies that is not related to the topic instead user started to create different topic that related literal free spin.

@dothebeat maybe it’s time to lock now this thread?

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Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.
This isn't completely true, there are people who had free money come their way and were able to use it well enough to get the very best off the money and today they have got investments they did made off the free money, so it's not all the cases that free money literally gets squandered without making something good off it, but then your idea does play out some times a d not always.

Usually we tend to value hard earned money more than that of money that we got for free.
I would say it majorly depends on the individual's mindset on how he is using the money.
Whether it has come for free or it is his hard earned money, it all boils down to his financial literacy and making calculated risks.
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When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison
When gamblers start making loses and the complain keeps increasing, this will send a signal to other gamblers to stop betting on such game or the machine to prevent further loses that had already been incurred by early gamblers. Rumors can spread quick if things get worse and no one is making money from such slot machine. Since every gambler wasn't ready to dash money to the casino except by the insufficient luck available that could increase the rate of loses than winning. It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.
When other gamblers can catch the signal from those gamblers who lost their money and think about that, they will not try hard as those gamblers but they will stop themselves from keep playing gambling. They don't want to feel the losses that can be bigger so that makes them decide to leave the casino for a while. That is what a wise gamblers will do when they see many gamblers lose their money in gambling. They will think it is not worth to still spends their money while there are more gamblers already experienced that.

Casino can designed their place to anything, to attract more gamblers to come and play many gambling games. They already warn the gamblers to be careful when playing gambling but gamblers seems not to think much about that. Besides that, casino know how to make gamblers return to their casino so they will use that way and waiting for the profit that they can get it.
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Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

The concept of money is very much blurred in gambling. The casino tries in every way to instill in the player the idea that his money is just a number on the screen, and that it does not matter so much if it decreases. I think the point is also that any gambler when replenishing a deposit, then internally unconsciously says goodbye to his money, not really hoping that he will be able to increase it and withdraw it back.
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When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison
When gamblers start making loses and the complain keeps increasing, this will send a signal to other gamblers to stop betting on such game or the machine to prevent further loses that had already been incurred by early gamblers. Rumors can spread quick if things get worse and no one is making money from such slot machine. Since every gambler wasn't ready to dash money to the casino except by the insufficient luck available that could increase the rate of loses than winning. It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.
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When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison
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Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.
This isn't completely true, there are people who had free money come their way and were able to use it well enough to get the very best off the money and today they have got investments they did made off the free money, so it's not all the cases that free money literally gets squandered without making something good off it, but then your idea does play out some times a d not always.
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I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.
there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money
I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.
not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

Good for you that are able to control yourself when playing slots. Maybe you have not hit a big win in them which would directly make you a really passionate person about them and many other slot players who continue playing slots up to now have definitely hit a huge win me included. The problem is that the slot machines give that huge win once in some years and they eat your money really fast most of the time. That is why I don't suggest you keep playing slots, they are not for most of us, they will rob us of our money most of the time and makes us feel really bad. It is good to play sport bets as I am converting to them slow slow and I see more potential here, less time consuming bets and definitely very hard to get addicted to compared to slots.

As for the bonus games they are designed to suck most of the times and this is definitely not going to change.
sometimes jealous seeing friends playing slots win big to want to imitate playing hoping to win big, but it's all upside down can't be compared to friends. ever win big while playing slots even though it's only once and not as big as other friends. but all gamblers will go through a phase where we will win from different pages or like having our own advantages to get luck. the slot addict phase that I have experienced is indeed very surprising out of control
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Not always, or I mean the result of the free spin bonus round does not always end up being annoying, and the point is that the result is always random in the sense that the free spin bonus can give you some wins but it is also very possible to make you end up disappointed when it turns out that the spin bonus runs very badly, but overall, don't expect too much, because after all, something bad must happen much more often than tempting results.

On the other hand, I see that most gamblers who make casino games their favorite game are really obsessed with the name of the free spin bonus and sometimes there are also some of them who are willing to make several deposits just to chase the free spin bonus through manual spins, the mistake is that they are not aware that the free spin bonus does not always guarantee victory.
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It is true what you said with the understanding that as entertainment then it is likely that we will not feel disappointed when the results of gambling end in defeat, besides that we should be able to accept it because it is likely that the gambling we do ends in disappointment, but with the aim of only entertainment then there is no feeling of disappointment but maybe there is only that it does not affect our emotional feelings because with people whose goal is to seek profit of course they will feel disappointed with the results that occur are defeat and that can make them emotional.
I do not agree if you say Free spin was created to really annoy players, because it is clear that this game involves luck that determines the final result so no matter how gambling is done the results will not be able to make us win for sure, players must be aware of the luck factor not just trying as hard as they can.
If we use gambling as entertainment, we know about the risk that we can get in anytime so we will always prevent the risks becomes big. Playing gambling is like spend your money in other thing that you will not regret because you realize that need money to have fun.
So when you lose the money, you will not too disappointed or regret because you already realize that should happen and you should manage your money that you want to use to playing gambling. You will not chase the win in slot game or other gambling games because that can make you lose more money.
Many times we see people trigger to continue playing many slot gams after they lose in free spins and that because their curiosity becomes high. They think that with playing for more can recover their losses with making some profit but that will not always happen because slot game need luck to win.
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Maybe it only applies to people who have a good mindset, because with a good mindset they will not think that gambling can give them certain benefits, so when the free spins they get end up disappointing them, they will understand it because they know there is no clear certainty that they can win in slot gambling in any way. Even though they use a relatively large bet amount, they will realize that luck cannot be determined by that. For people who have a mindset that they can benefit from gambling, they can be more interested in gambling when they almost win, for example by getting free spins and getting a big multiplier but the end result is a defeat, then they will think about betting again because they feel a little more they will win, and what happens is they chase victory while victory in slot gambling is uncertain.
That is why we must build understanding that gambling can not gives benefits to them and only for have fun in our free time. By realizing that, we will not feels disappointed when we can not win in slot game.
Even if we gets a free spins, we will not complaint if we lose because slot game rely on the luck and no clear uncertainty. We can only enjoy the gift from the casino or by buying the bonus buy and not have a big expectation that when we buy the bonus, that will help us to win.
If they think that buy the bonus will give them a big chance to win, they should be prepare not to get anything or win small amount because the chance will not too big. Winning in slot game will still difficult because that game need luck to win.
It is true what you said with the understanding that as entertainment then it is likely that we will not feel disappointed when the results of gambling end in defeat, besides that we should be able to accept it because it is likely that the gambling we do ends in disappointment, but with the aim of only entertainment then there is no feeling of disappointment but maybe there is only that it does not affect our emotional feelings because with people whose goal is to seek profit of course they will feel disappointed with the results that occur are defeat and that can make them emotional.
I do not agree if you say Free spin was created to really annoy players, because it is clear that this game involves luck that determines the final result so no matter how gambling is done the results will not be able to make us win for sure, players must be aware of the luck factor not just trying as hard as they can.
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Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

In my experience it can really vary between gambling sites - some are generous and others are absolutely stingy with the amount they will ever pay out on free games. I used to play consistently at one gambling site which would pay out almost every other day on free games and did that for a couple years, who know's why they let me get away with it for so long - but eventually it got restricted. Other sites I might have played every day for months but rarely got anything. Ultimately they want people to deposit money and lose it, so they're not going to keep giving away an endless supply back to users without the users spending money.
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I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.
there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money
I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.
not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

Good for you that are able to control yourself when playing slots. Maybe you have not hit a big win in them which would directly make you a really passionate person about them and many other slot players who continue playing slots up to now have definitely hit a huge win me included. The problem is that the slot machines give that huge win once in some years and they eat your money really fast most of the time. That is why I don't suggest you keep playing slots, they are not for most of us, they will rob us of our money most of the time and makes us feel really bad. It is good to play sport bets as I am converting to them slow slow and I see more potential here, less time consuming bets and definitely very hard to get addicted to compared to slots.

As for the bonus games they are designed to suck most of the times and this is definitely not going to change.
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I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.
there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money
I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.
not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled
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In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.
It's logical, everyone is forced to deposit on the casino, how else are you going to participate? Looking at it from this point of view, it's perfectly sensible for deposit bonuses to suck. Offering a major bonus on every single deposit isn't feasible and it would quickly result in the casino going bankrupt. They don't have to offer you something, but it's nice to receive a free spins just for the sake of the entertainment, even if you receive nothing in return. A domestic casino was providing free spins, no strings attached, with signup, out of 20 or 30 spins, I yielded the great returns of $0.50, which perhaps I could bet on another game and win. Who knows?

Yup of course, I think we have to go back to an understanding related to the fact that for casino bookies gambling is a business, on the other hand it is not uncommon for me to find some casinos that provide a few percent bonus when a gambler makes a deposit, but usually the percentage is quite small, and the reason is clear as you said that it is impossible for a casino to give a big bonus while as I said that their goal in making gambling is to make a profit. Bonuses are something we often want in any form, and maybe the casino diverts the bonus to a free spin opportunity, or the intention is to provide an opportunity for every gambler to get free spins without having to spend the amount of money in their balance which is usually no more than 15 spins on each occasion, and one thing that is a big mistake if a gambler puts high hopes on the results of the free spin.
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I guess op is pointing out a good reason about free spins although I hardly engage in free spins, it’s obvious you can’t win huge or else it must be attached with a deposit money. It’s more like a free win or lose you never paid for so you accept whatever amount in return, It also depends on the game type since we don’t get to win huge with our money talk more of bonus winning. I can’t totally agree with this opinion because I hardly measure my wins aside that I think the casino don’t add much when dealing with bonus.
I am a little confused by your statement, but what the OP said can mean two things, first like what you mentioned and secondly the bonus rounds that we get from several rounds which of course use deposit money to start and get freespins, but if you look at it from your point of view it does make this actually require god-level luck if playing gambling only relies on bonuses from certain events to get free spins.
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I guess op is pointing out a good reason about free spins although I hardly engage in free spins, it’s obvious you can’t win huge or else it must be attached with a deposit money. It’s more like a free win or lose you never paid for so you accept whatever amount in return, It also depends on the game type since we don’t get to win huge with our money talk more of bonus winning. I can’t totally agree with this opinion because I hardly measure my wins aside that I think the casino don’t add much when dealing with bonus.
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In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.
It's logical, everyone is forced to deposit on the casino, how else are you going to participate? Looking at it from this point of view, it's perfectly sensible for deposit bonuses to suck. Offering a major bonus on every single deposit isn't feasible and it would quickly result in the casino going bankrupt. They don't have to offer you something, but it's nice to receive a free spins just for the sake of the entertainment, even if you receive nothing in return. A domestic casino was providing free spins, no strings attached, with signup, out of 20 or 30 spins, I yielded the great returns of $0.50, which perhaps I could bet on another game and win. Who knows?
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I have always wondered about the same thing. I have observed that when we get free spins from normal spins, we tend to get nothing most of the time, whereas if we buy bonus features, we tend to get better rewards. I have always thought that there must be something behind this, and I also believe that there must be a difference in generating the outcome of the two games in the back-end.

Most people always think that there's something behind such performance for every free spin and not only on free spins but even most times while wagering some money. The truth is that we can not even know when the casino is cheating us and when they are not. Only few people on the forum that I see making positive comment about free spin and bonus.
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