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I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

If you say it can luckily improved, much understandable but being certain about the financial help it can render is not something to be so sure of. If it was, then many people would have become millionaires already but instead, it has turned some people to being addicted and lose some huge amount that they are not supposed to lose. It's not that easy.

I understand that it is difficult, and I did not describe my point of view above, but the point of view of gambling addicts. Their thinking is very positive about gambling, and full of optimism. In fact, controlled types of gambling, such as poker, are incredibly difficult. It is not enough to be a good analyst and psychologist, you also need to play at several tables to increase your chances of earning.

yes, that's true, most of the people will bet expecting a good outcome and usually ignoring the risks
few are the ones who don't care about money at all and will simply play for the sake of playing, not even tracking, almost drugged and totally careless
you know what I mean?

Yes, I have heard about those who, in addition to alcohol or something even worse, also like to start gambling at this moment. Of course, this is a very careless activity. This is a sure way to destroy your deposit in a very short time, to lose money that was earned for a long time. Of course, I am strongly against such gambling or betting because this is chaos and not a conscious game.

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Basically it is very important for a gambler to have the right knowledge and understanding regarding what and how gambling really is, because once you take a wrong step then over time you will continue to be approached by various setbacks.

It will cost a gambler nothing to acquire such good gambling knowledge but they are usually ignorant and neglect all signs of warning when they are losing or when the casino wants to employ some strategy that can make them feel so eager to play more.

There are many ways such as seeing how professional and also understanding all the advice from more experienced people, but if we rely on that alone we will not be able to really have better knowledge because knowledge can be understood when we have all the individual experiences and those experiences are obtained when we make every bet, this is clearly the payment for what we get such as knowledge and experience that may be very useful for us in the long run.
For example, if someone has had lot of experience in slot games and has had many defeats, then they will be able to think and assume how the real slot game works and that way they will be able to make good decisions and considerations every time they play in gambling.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on October 23, 2024, 12:00:38 PM

On the moment that you do play gambling then you should really be wary about on the risks involved and be careful on trying out to control your emotions because this is where
people do usually mess up their lives because of having that wrong assumption on which it would really be leading up into that desperation on which this is really that something
which is really that dangerous.

There is no doubt about it, for me the main thing before playing each game in a casino is to allocate the money that I am willing to lose, if I lose everything, I do not bet more, that has worked for me for a long time, even the emotions are controlled in an impressive way, however, what I do in slot games is use it for therapeutic purposes, I only assign 5usd and from there what I do is play and play with the minimum, if I win it seems excellent to me, but if I lose I have not lost anything, on the contrary, this game makes me feel good and I see it as a service, like going to the movies, or going to eat a pizza, because it ends but I am left with the taste, and that helps me de-stress.

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It seems like yes, although it is not entirely true, but most of the free spins that are obtained for free only cause irritation, and that is what often encourages us to buy free spins, without us realizing we are betting to accelerate defeat.

Ambitious people do not use their finish line management, most of them lose quickly. If are not in a hurry in the game, it might be a different story. Before playing, start betting by allocating the amount of money that think can recover. I often see people gambling with little money but their desire is big in the form of winning. But they forget about management by calculating carelessly, they only bet with different bets when hope starts to disappear.

Those people will not think more about buying free spins because they becomes too ambitious to winning the games. They should already know that gambling games will not gives them the winning too often but they can lose their money at once. They don't have to buy free spins to increase their chance to win because that will depends on their luck.

They must realize that playing gambling is no need to use too big money especially increase the bet amount because they don't know when they will win. So we should accept the reality that gambling is design to have fun and not for helping us to make money.

they will not be aware of the comparison of losing and winning that they make themselves if they are still ambitious, only when their life journey there must be a point of condition below making them introspect. gradually it will create wise betting. and all gamblers have their own appeal from the hope of the strategy they make themselves bring their belief that they can get victory, and yes one day there will be victory for themselves

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 25, 2024, 07:53:58 AM

Basically it is very important for a gambler to have the right knowledge and understanding regarding what and how gambling really is, because once you take a wrong step then over time you will continue to be approached by various setbacks.

It will cost a gambler nothing to acquire such good gambling knowledge but they are usually ignorant and neglect all signs of warning when they are losing or when the casino wants to employ some strategy that can make them feel so eager to play more.

Yes, it means that there are still many ways to get at least basic knowledge about what and how gambling really is without having to spend money through losing scenarios or paid educational channels, they can get it through internet services that we often use in general.
But in reality, very few of them pay attention to this, and I am very sure that one of the reasons why they ignore it is because from the beginning they are too focused on the winning opportunities provided by the casino, and can also be influenced by other things such as big wins that have been achieved by other people which indirectly creates motivation that makes them even more excited.

The point is to always use your rational mindset when you find something new, especially if you see that something tempting seems too easy to get, and you must also always maintain the thought that there are no significant results with just a little effort, this action can minimize misunderstandings.

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Quote from: bubilas on October 23, 2024, 03:01:22 AM

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

If you say it can luckily improved, much understandable but being certain about the financial help it can render is not something to be so sure of. If it was, then many people would have become millionaires already but instead, it has turned some people to being addicted and lose some huge amount that they are not supposed to lose. It's not that easy.

I understand that it is difficult, and I did not describe my point of view above, but the point of view of gambling addicts. Their thinking is very positive about gambling, and full of optimism. In fact, controlled types of gambling, such as poker, are incredibly difficult. It is not enough to be a good analyst and psychologist, you also need to play at several tables to increase your chances of earning.

yes, that's true, most of the people will bet expecting a good outcome and usually ignoring the risks
few are the ones who don't care about money at all and will simply play for the sake of playing, not even tracking, almost drugged and totally careless
you know what I mean?

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 25, 2024, 07:53:58 AM

Basically it is very important for a gambler to have the right knowledge and understanding regarding what and how gambling really is, because once you take a wrong step then over time you will continue to be approached by various setbacks.

It will cost a gambler nothing to acquire such good gambling knowledge but they are usually ignorant and neglect all signs of warning when they are losing or when the casino wants to employ some strategy that can make them feel so eager to play more.

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Quote from: bubilas on October 23, 2024, 03:01:22 AM

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

If you say it can luckily improved, much understandable but being certain about the financial help it can render is not something to be so sure of. If it was, then many people would have become millionaires already but instead, it has turned some people to being addicted and lose some huge amount that they are not supposed to lose. It's not that easy.

Yes and I think having the belief that gambling can always give you victory however it will always be the wrong perspective and thinking, because it is contrary to the fact that gambling is an activity that can never be predicted at any time.
And also as you said that it makes sense to say that if gambling could really always give gamblers victory then surely many gamblers would have become millionaires, but in fact what happened was the opposite, most of them actually experienced various setbacks.
Basically it is very important for a gambler to have the right knowledge and understanding regarding what and how gambling really is, because once you take a wrong step then over time you will continue to be approached by various setbacks.

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Quote from: bubilas on October 23, 2024, 03:01:22 AM

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

If you say it can luckily improved, much understandable but being certain about the financial help it can render is not something to be so sure of. If it was, then many people would have become millionaires already but instead, it has turned some people to being addicted and lose some huge amount that they are not supposed to lose. It's not that easy.

I understand that it is difficult, and I did not describe my point of view above, but the point of view of gambling addicts. Their thinking is very positive about gambling, and full of optimism. In fact, controlled types of gambling, such as poker, are incredibly difficult. It is not enough to be a good analyst and psychologist, you also need to play at several tables to increase your chances of earning.

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Quote from: bubilas on October 24, 2024, 02:03:44 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 23, 2024, 11:36:47 AM

oh, this is for sure, have you read "the molecule of more"? It's about dopamine, that's on my reading list
sythetizing it is our main driver of motivation and the reason why we do many of the things we do
when you raise your dopamine baseline too much other activities become way less interesting, as you mentioned

Sorry, but I haven't read it. But it sounds interesting.
And this correlates with the fact that many problem gamblers in their interviews and articles admit that in the end they don't enjoy money from gambling.
Money for them becomes only an intermediate stage before new future games. For such gamblers, the greatest moment of pleasure is when they find money for a new gambling pastime. Anticipation of new games. And as I understand it, the substance that is produced in this case is the ultimate goal of the problem gambler.

no worries
I haven't read it yet either but it's on my reading list and I've heard some people talking about it on podcasts

it's a crazy situation, isn't it?
it reminds me a little bit about this teenager that built a drug empire on the dark web and didn't even used the money, he just enjoyed seeing the number go up

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Quote from: bubilas on October 23, 2024, 03:01:22 AM

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

If you say it can luckily improved, much understandable but being certain about the financial help it can render is not something to be so sure of. If it was, then many people would have become millionaires already but instead, it has turned some people to being addicted and lose some huge amount that they are not supposed to lose. It's not that easy.

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It seems like yes, although it is not entirely true, but most of the free spins that are obtained for free only cause irritation, and that is what often encourages us to buy free spins, without us realizing we are betting to accelerate defeat.

Ambitious people do not use their finish line management, most of them lose quickly. If are not in a hurry in the game, it might be a different story. Before playing, start betting by allocating the amount of money that think can recover. I often see people gambling with little money but their desire is big in the form of winning. But they forget about management by calculating carelessly, they only bet with different bets when hope starts to disappear.

Those people will not think more about buying free spins because they becomes too ambitious to winning the games. They should already know that gambling games will not gives them the winning too often but they can lose their money at once. They don't have to buy free spins to increase their chance to win because that will depends on their luck.

They must realize that playing gambling is no need to use too big money especially increase the bet amount because they don't know when they will win. So we should accept the reality that gambling is design to have fun and not for helping us to make money.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 23, 2024, 11:36:47 AM

oh, this is for sure, have you read "the molecule of more"? It's about dopamine, that's on my reading list
sythetizing it is our main driver of motivation and the reason why we do many of the things we do
when you raise your dopamine baseline too much other activities become way less interesting, as you mentioned

Sorry, but I haven't read it. But it sounds interesting.
And this correlates with the fact that many problem gamblers in their interviews and articles admit that in the end they don't enjoy money from gambling.
Money for them becomes only an intermediate stage before new future games. For such gamblers, the greatest moment of pleasure is when they find money for a new gambling pastime. Anticipation of new games. And as I understand it, the substance that is produced in this case is the ultimate goal of the problem gambler.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

In my experience there are generally two different types of freebie games that casinos offer. The first are specifically designed with free games only in mind - whether that's predict several outcomes to unlock a free bet, or get a few chances every day that might add up to a bigger chance to win at the end of the month (like uncovering a certain amount of squares on a grid that relates to prizes). Then there are the regular casino games, which might specifically have a higher or lower RTP depending on how generous the casinos are feeling towards their players. These are basically regular play slots where you have a chance to win at the standard rate and get say 5 free spins.

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Quote from: the rise on October 23, 2024, 01:10:18 PM

It seems like yes, although it is not entirely true, but most of the free spins that are obtained for free only cause irritation, and that is what often encourages us to buy free spins, without us realizing we are betting to accelerate defeat.

Ambitious people do not use their finish line management, most of them lose quickly. If are not in a hurry in the game, it might be a different story. Before playing, start betting by allocating the amount of money that think can recover. I often see people gambling with little money but their desire is big in the form of winning. But they forget about management by calculating carelessly, they only bet with different bets when hope starts to disappear.

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It seems like yes, although it is not entirely true, but most of the free spins that are obtained for free only cause irritation, and that is what often encourages us to buy free spins, without us realizing we are betting to accelerate defeat.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 21, 2024, 11:10:19 PM

Another thing I am sure is that one of the things that makes gamblers unable to implement various actions that lead to prevention is because they are too tempted by the opportunity to win, so first understand what activity you are facing.

Yes, this is a fact, just thinking about things when they see them on Youtube or in any slots demonstration , people get excited and see that if that one won then they are also in a position to win, and that is something they have in Mind , Sometimes those types of Actions are what Drive many to think that in just those spins they can win , so what you say here makes a lot of sense, and that is what moves people, to have that degree of Trust that they are going to win , of course I always play slots, but little, with very little balance , but I see slots Differently , I Know that they are a game Where you can win a lot, but whoever is careless can even lose everything.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 17, 2024, 02:53:51 PM

Basically in gambling, no matter what strategy you use or how good your approach is, if you lose, you will still lose money according to the amount you bet, in gambling, especially in casino games, the risk of losing will always be there regardless of even if you are very sure of your choice, and this is the reason why we are always advised to be responsible and not treat gambling aggressively.

This is very true, but we should also give credit to the strategies, I have seen some great articles that have been posted on the bitcasino blog , haven't you read them ? Karl really Contributes in a great way to educate many , and Despite the fact that the Slots are purely pure chance , strategies and tactics can be applied at least to play in a different way and get much closer to finding that good luck that we sometimes need so much when we play , I love to see those strategies , learn them , because sometimes playing in a simple, routine way Feels like you lose easier.

Actually strategies are really just that only good on trying out to prolong the game but this isnt something that could give out that kind of edge against the house. This is why it would really be that
too wrong that you would really be thinking that it will really be that something effective. It could really be just that only good on prolonging the session but it wont be making guaranteed wins.

On the moment that you do play gambling then you should really be wary about on the risks involved and be careful on trying out to control your emotions because this is where
people do usually mess up their lives because of having that wrong assumption on which it would really be leading up into that desperation on which this is really that something
which is really that dangerous.

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I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

do you think some gamblers are more into the winning and the dopamine hit by seeing the multipliers coming than into the money itself?
more and more I find that this is the case with those addicted that don't know when to stop...
usually if the gambler keeps playing they'll end up delivering it all to the casino

Yes and no. Problem gamblers are not attracted by money, but also by many things, or this is not the main thing that attracts them. I know this from many interviews with doctors who are trying to solve the problem of gambling addiction. So, they say that the problem gambler enjoys the ANTICIPATION of the future game most of all. It is this feeling that reality will now be rejected, and a fun and colorful game, albeit for a while, will overshadow the cruel reality.

I find this really interesting
so it's a little bit like heavy gamblers are living way more on the realm of dreams, hopes and expectations than on reality
maybe when they arrive on what they want and have their desires satisfied in the present, let's say getting rich they simply get bored and depressed about it instead of being able to enjoy their current moment

definitely a case to study

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

oh, this is for sure, have you read "the molecule of more"? It's about dopamine, that's on my reading list
sythetizing it is our main driver of motivation and the reason why we do many of the things we do

when you raise your dopamine baseline too much other activities become way less interesting, as you mentioned

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

do you think some gamblers are more into the winning and the dopamine hit by seeing the multipliers coming than into the money itself?
more and more I find that this is the case with those addicted that don't know when to stop...
usually if the gambler keeps playing they'll end up delivering it all to the casino

Yes and no. Problem gamblers are not attracted by money, but also by many things, or this is not the main thing that attracts them. I know this from many interviews with doctors who are trying to solve the problem of gambling addiction. So, they say that the problem gambler enjoys the ANTICIPATION of the future game most of all. It is this feeling that reality will now be rejected, and a fun and colorful game, albeit for a while, will overshadow the cruel reality.

I find this really interesting
so it's a little bit like heavy gamblers are living way more on the realm of dreams, hopes and expectations than on reality
maybe when they arrive on what they want and have their desires satisfied in the present, let's say getting rich they simply get bored and depressed about it instead of being able to enjoy their current moment

definitely a case to study

I think this is somehow connected with the chemistry in our head - endormins and the like. Gambling and Betting are very bright activities that cause intense emotions. And of course - these are not just hobbies, these are games for money that can improve your financial situation. And this is important for everyone. And because of this, other hobbies motivated only by interest fade. And the gambler gets less pleasure from them. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it works.

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