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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 17, 2024, 02:53:51 PM

Basically in gambling, no matter what strategy you use or how good your approach is, if you lose, you will still lose money according to the amount you bet, in gambling, especially in casino games, the risk of losing will always be there regardless of even if you are very sure of your choice, and this is the reason why we are always advised to be responsible and not treat gambling aggressively.

This is very true, but we should also give credit to the strategies, I have seen some great articles that have been posted on the bitcasino blog , haven't you read them ? Karl really Contributes in a great way to educate many , and Despite the fact that the Slots are purely pure chance , strategies and tactics can be applied at least to play in a different way and get much closer to finding that good luck that we sometimes need so much when we play , I love to see those strategies , learn them , because sometimes playing in a simple, routine way Feels like you lose easier.

nice, I haven't read these articles, do you have a link for them
but the thing is that most of the strategies will be more into bankroll management and bet sizing, right?
or there's something else?

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 20, 2024, 07:10:51 PM

Quote from: alastantiger on October 12, 2024, 01:03:38 AM

Having a lot of money can be of no use when you don't have good plans on how to gamble and give yourself more avenue to win because the more you try you luck, you can become lucky. You don't need large money to gamble or you will lose them when you don't have the right tools needed to become a winner at some of the games that needs your expertise. Free spin are for your to test out the casino hence we shouldn't see them as the way to win but to have an experience about the games and the casino experience. Slots games need small wagers to help spread your bankroll to give you more chances to play for a longer time.

The way you say it reminds me a lot of the management that one does in trading, sometimes with little money we do a lot, with much idea sometimes we do nothing, but by knowing how to distribute well our money that is little, then we will do wonders when it is a lot, in this case things are always very good when they are done well and taking care of our money, the secret will always be to take care of our money and have the discipline to not play when you should not play anymore, and that is what most players respect the least, that is why robberies occur.

Yes, the point is that good financial management will always be a mandatory skill for a gambler and in fact, the management and discipline of the planning that we have applies to everything we are doing regardless of the amount of money we have, especially in an activity that involves risk.
I think we all know that gambling is a risky activity that can lose any amount of our money, and that is why management, control and discipline are really mandatory to have, because only with that will you be a little more protected from various unwanted possibilities such as avoiding losing significant amounts of money.

On the other hand, no matter how high the risk is in an activity, if only we know our limits and are also disciplined in the planning that we have made, such as stopping when it is time to stop, then we will not experience a slump like that experienced by addicted gamblers who lose large amounts of money.

Another thing I am sure is that one of the things that makes gamblers unable to implement various actions that lead to prevention is because they are too tempted by the opportunity to win, so first understand what activity you are facing.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on October 17, 2024, 02:53:51 PM

Basically in gambling, no matter what strategy you use or how good your approach is, if you lose, you will still lose money according to the amount you bet, in gambling, especially in casino games, the risk of losing will always be there regardless of even if you are very sure of your choice, and this is the reason why we are always advised to be responsible and not treat gambling aggressively.

This is very true, but we should also give credit to the strategies, I have seen some great articles that have been posted on the bitcasino blog , haven't you read them ? Karl really Contributes in a great way to educate many , and Despite the fact that the Slots are purely pure chance , strategies and tactics can be applied at least to play in a different way and get much closer to finding that good luck that we sometimes need so much when we play , I love to see those strategies , learn them , because sometimes playing in a simple, routine way Feels like you lose easier.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

do you think some gamblers are more into the winning and the dopamine hit by seeing the multipliers coming than into the money itself?
more and more I find that this is the case with those addicted that don't know when to stop...
usually if the gambler keeps playing they'll end up delivering it all to the casino

Yes and no. Problem gamblers are not attracted by money, but also by many things, or this is not the main thing that attracts them. I know this from many interviews with doctors who are trying to solve the problem of gambling addiction. So, they say that the problem gambler enjoys the ANTICIPATION of the future game most of all. It is this feeling that reality will now be rejected, and a fun and colorful game, albeit for a while, will overshadow the cruel reality.

I find this really interesting
so it's a little bit like heavy gamblers are living way more on the realm of dreams, hopes and expectations than on reality
maybe when they arrive on what they want and have their desires satisfied in the present, let's say getting rich they simply get bored and depressed about it instead of being able to enjoy their current moment

definitely a case to study

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 16, 2024, 01:20:46 PM

the thing is that risk appetite is different than risk management
but imagine someone really risk averse, the person wouldn't even take a small bet with small risk and possibly medium reward, let alone a bit bet...
you know what I mean?

You're right, although classifying everything based on a risk according to the personality is a subject that can be extended for a long time, what I can say is that people who have this aversion to risk are more likely to lose and possibly fall into an imminent addiction because basically things are like that with them, you can risk a lot and feel the adrenaline, happiness whatever is experienced at the moment, but if you lose and are left with nothing, then there is nothing to do, things are very different, it is something very specific and the person will see how to resolve their situation, to which there are many alternatives.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 17, 2024, 11:57:53 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2024, 12:24:57 PM

do you think more players would be up over the long term if they have a smaller risk appetite and simply be happy with a smaller % gain instead of trying to hit big and risking it all just to blow off at some point?
what do you think?

No, not at all, because playing in a casino in the long term , even with the slightest risk , a person is already given to losing money , it is like that because the probabilities indicate it , by pure logic the house advantage is the one that does not make mistakes and one can draw their own numbers , it is very different when we play from time to time , taking into consideration a risk Management that we can assume in case of losing , what happens is that to reach that level not Only maturity is needed but a lot of discipline.

I agree with what you said even if we gamble by taking a small risk, the risk of losing will still be greater. The thing to note here is that the advantage held by the dealer is greater than that held by the player, besides that I think the dealer can determine when the player will be able to win in his gambling, so no matter how hard the player tries, he will not be able to win if not because the dealer gives him the win.
The ridiculous thing I feel and experience is when I gamble with the aim of making money, it always ends in defeat, but why sometimes when I gamble with the aim of not expecting to win, it ends in victory, it's strange but I have experienced it but it doesn't work every time I gamble without expecting to win, so maybe this is what is called luck.
Including free spins which I think are also arranged by the dealer.

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Quote from: alastantiger on October 12, 2024, 01:03:38 AM

Having a lot of money can be of no use when you don't have good plans on how to gamble and give yourself more avenue to win because the more you try you luck, you can become lucky. You don't need large money to gamble or you will lose them when you don't have the right tools needed to become a winner at some of the games that needs your expertise. Free spin are for your to test out the casino hence we shouldn't see them as the way to win but to have an experience about the games and the casino experience. Slots games need small wagers to help spread your bankroll to give you more chances to play for a longer time.

The way you say it reminds me a lot of the management that one does in trading, sometimes with little money we do a lot, with much idea sometimes we do nothing, but by knowing how to distribute well our money that is little, then we will do wonders when it is a lot, in this case things are always very good when they are done well and taking care of our money, the secret will always be to take care of our money and have the discipline to not play when you should not play anymore, and that is what most players respect the least, that is why robberies occur.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 19, 2024, 08:03:56 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 18, 2024, 03:35:03 PM

I don't think this case is based on luck only since there are problably programmed rules imbedded on the code where wins are limited, exactly because the free games are not meant for users to make a lot of money but to hook them into playing in the website and into continuing and spending money there

what do you think?

I think the free game is just something that the casino add to entice player and influence the decision of players towards choosing their casino over other casinos that does give free games. The player feels that by getting a free game, the casino is doing them good that other casino can not be measured.

Free games are there to give you a taste so you actually try the real thing and you risk your money, this tactic is very common and most business use it, software companies allows you a free trial in which you can use their product with some limitations, food companies offer you a bite of their products and so on, then I am not surprised that casinos engage on the same tactics, since it is obvious that if so many companies use it, it is because it is an effective way to market their products.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 18, 2024, 03:35:03 PM

I don't think this case is based on luck only since there are problably programmed rules imbedded on the code where wins are limited, exactly because the free games are not meant for users to make a lot of money but to hook them into playing in the website and into continuing and spending money there

what do you think?

I think the free game is just something that the casino add to entice player and influence the decision of players towards choosing their casino over other casinos that does give free games. The player feels that by getting a free game, the casino is doing them good that other casino can not be measured.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

do you think some gamblers are more into the winning and the dopamine hit by seeing the multipliers coming than into the money itself?
more and more I find that this is the case with those addicted that don't know when to stop...
usually if the gambler keeps playing they'll end up delivering it all to the casino

Yes and no. Problem gamblers are not attracted by money, but also by many things, or this is not the main thing that attracts them. I know this from many interviews with doctors who are trying to solve the problem of gambling addiction. So, they say that the problem gambler enjoys the ANTICIPATION of the future game most of all. It is this feeling that reality will now be rejected, and a fun and colorful game, albeit for a while, will overshadow the cruel reality.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.
Similarly some people prefer sports betting because they are literally good at it and have made nice profits from it multiple times. Even if some other persons dislike them they won't simply because of that.

Yes, every gambler has a preference for their favorite game and like you already said, you can not condemn a game in the presence of someone that sees the game as their favorite, but the aspect of winning much profit from free spin is what so many players are not usually lucky, like myself. I see only a few members here who claim to have actually use the opportunity of free spin to make significant profit.

I don't think this case is based on luck only since there are problably programmed rules imbedded on the code where wins are limited, exactly because the free games are not meant for users to make a lot of money but to hook them into playing in the website and into continuing and spending money there

what do you think?

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on October 16, 2024, 02:26:24 PM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.
Similarly some people prefer sports betting because they are literally good at it and have made nice profits from it multiple times. Even if some other persons dislike them they won't simply because of that.

Yes, every gambler has a preference for their favorite game and like you already said, you can not condemn a game in the presence of someone that sees the game as their favorite, but the aspect of winning much profit from free spin is what so many players are not usually lucky, like myself. I see only a few members here who claim to have actually use the opportunity of free spin to make significant profit.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 17, 2024, 11:57:53 AM

No, not at all, because playing in a casino in the long term , even with the slightest risk , a person is already given to losing money , it is like that because the probabilities indicate it , by pure logic the house advantage is the one that does not make mistakes and one can draw their own numbers , it is very different when we play from time to time , taking into consideration a risk Management that we can assume in case of losing , what happens is that to reach that level not Only maturity is needed but a lot of discipline.

Whoever gambling enthusiasts that wants to come on board to gamble would come. It's literally not the casinos that sets the risks for bettors but of the bettors to set their own risks. So, even if they're stimulated on low profits tas to enhance winning probabilities, that doesn't mean they'd not still lost their funds. So I agree when you @LUCKMCFLY said is based on maturity of how individuals can control the forces with the casinos.

Of course that's true, or what the casino means is that it only acts as a game provider and risk level in a game, there is no coercion from any party, especially from the casino, to gamblers to gamble with a high risk level and when you see that there is an option to play with low risk, that's what we always recommend because in any case, making low risk a choice will always be recommended so that we don't lose a lot of money in a short period of time.

Basically in gambling, no matter what strategy you use or how good your approach is, if you lose, you will still lose money according to the amount you bet, in gambling, especially in casino games, the risk of losing will always be there regardless of even if you are very sure of your choice, and this is the reason why we are always advised to be responsible and not treat gambling aggressively.

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Quote from: bubilas on October 17, 2024, 05:55:57 AM

Quote from: Mia Chloe on October 16, 2024, 02:26:24 PM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

do you think some gamblers are more into the winning and the dopamine hit by seeing the multipliers coming than into the money itself?
more and more I find that this is the case with those addicted that don't know when to stop...
usually if the gambler keeps playing they'll end up delivering it all to the casino

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 17, 2024, 11:57:53 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2024, 12:24:57 PM

do you think more players would be up over the long term if they have a smaller risk appetite and simply be happy with a smaller % gain instead of trying to hit big and risking it all just to blow off at some point?
what do you think?

No, not at all, because playing in a casino in the long term , even with the slightest risk , a person is already given to losing money , it is like that because the probabilities indicate it , by pure logic the house advantage is the one that does not make mistakes and one can draw their own numbers , it is very different when we play from time to time , taking into consideration a risk Management that we can assume in case of losing , what happens is that to reach that level not Only maturity is needed but a lot of discipline.

Whoever gambling enthusiasts that wants to come on board to gamble would come. It's literally not the casinos that sets the risks for bettors but of the bettors to set their own risks. So, even if they're stimulated on low profits tas to enhance winning probabilities, that doesn't mean they'd not still lost their funds. So I agree when you @LUCKMCFLY said is based on maturity of how individuals can control the forces with the casinos.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2024, 12:24:57 PM

do you think more players would be up over the long term if they have a smaller risk appetite and simply be happy with a smaller % gain instead of trying to hit big and risking it all just to blow off at some point?
what do you think?

No, not at all, because playing in a casino in the long term , even with the slightest risk , a person is already given to losing money , it is like that because the probabilities indicate it , by pure logic the house advantage is the one that does not make mistakes and one can draw their own numbers , it is very different when we play from time to time , taking into consideration a risk Management that we can assume in case of losing , what happens is that to reach that level not Only maturity is needed but a lot of discipline.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.

That's right, because such a gambler sees profit from winnings and that's all he needs from gambling. He will ignore all the facts that he is just one of the few lucky ones, and fortune just smiled on him. It can also be explained from a mathematical point of view that the chance was small.
But everyone prefers to believe the facts.
However, if this gambler continues to play, the distance can greatly change his lucky outcomes, bringing the statistics to the average value.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on October 16, 2024, 02:26:24 PM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.
Similarly some people prefer sports betting because they are literally good at it and have made nice profits from it multiple times. Even if some other persons dislike them they won't simply because of that.

All matters with luck but since we are dealing up against the house then it wouldnt really be shocking that they would really be always at great advantage. This is why there's really no point that you would really be trying out to make yourself having that kind of positive approach that you could really be able to make serious money with gambling. Yes its possible but doesnt mean that it would really be simple.

Whenever you do deal up with some free bonuses or spins then it will really be that going in line on wagering requirement plus these things are traps specially into those noob people who do really believe
that this is something which is really that something easy to win up. We do know that there would really be those wagering requirements that it is really that on the roof top.
If you are someone whose really that easily get happy with free spins then it would really be something that good for someone to deal on with.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Yea I have won a few profits from free spin though, however I ended up losing them back to the casino on crash games. Well I think games that suck depends on a gambler and his preferences and to a nice extent that preference depends on how much profits he has actually made from the game. Take for example a gambler that has made a decent amount numerous times from crash games, there is virtually no way you would convince such gambler that crash games suck.
Similarly some people prefer sports betting because they are literally good at it and have made nice profits from it multiple times. Even if some other persons dislike them they won't simply because of that.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 12, 2024, 12:21:11 AM

It is a fact that things are like that, I personally Always emphasize that as a player you want to play slots and be successful there is no way to put money in and play wisely , but when they are free spins you have to forget about winning a very big and very special prize, no, we should take advantage of the free spins to have fun, and if you really want to win at slots I think you should have a lot of money, I don't know about playing slots but with very little money ,because for me slots are in a VIP classification of games to just enjoy, and I see it as a service to relieve Stress.

do you think more players would be up over the long term if they have a smaller risk appetite and simply be happy with a smaller % gain instead of trying to hit big and risking it all just to blow off at some point?
what do you think?

I think risk appetite cannot be used as a benchmark for whether you will win more or vice versa, the habit of choosing to bet with small risks in my opinion only leads to risk management, or it means that it is useful for minimizing the possibility of losing money so that it is not too big, meaning it cannot be used as a benchmark that you will win more in the long run than lose.

Especially if we talk about the type of casino game where most of the results are random and have been set by the casino, but on the other hand of course betting with small risks is much more recommended because in any case you will not lose too much money in the long run, but the downside is that the potential for victory is not too big, but that is the safest.

the thing is that risk appetite is different than risk management
but imagine someone really risk averse, the person wouldn't even take a small bet with small risk and possibly medium reward, let alone a bit bet...
you know what I mean?

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