Topic: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 4. (Read 6644 times)

The most logical thing is always that before entering a casino, we make a plan, not about how we are going to play, but about how much money we are willing to lose, that's all, as far as I'm concerned I always say something, while We have money willing to lose , I think everything is fine , there is no problem, that is, if we have 500usd in our wallet, we are not going to spend everything in the casino, we can have 50usd just for the casino, and once that money is allocated, we cannot for anything in the world put more money to bet , that is our limit for that game session , the fact that we want to bet more is already something that goes against our rules and the mere fact of not Complying with them and Going for the side of betting more that includes the total risk of losing Everything , and it is also a risk that we lose what we were not willing to lose, and it is possibly committed money that should not be touched, and when you lose it is when you The ropbelmas begin to become more acute.

Every time we are in a casino we must Understand something , that the most Important thing and the most important thing to take care of is money, if we do nothing for that, how can we be successful? There is no way we have to leave because it really matters, we can understand the game very well, we can play very well, but if we lose money then we are not being successful , very Different if we lose only the money we are willing to give. lose, even so if we lose money we should not be and we always settle if we have many game sessions where we Always lose we have to see where we are failing, or play the other way around to see if that is what is missing, sometimes we see the Game of the most incorrect thing, that's why we have to have a lot of courage to accept when we are doing things wrong, that's not anything, that's something that we will always have to do.

I agree with you about gambling in moderation so that they don't have to suffer big losses. Yes, sometimes they can do it to experience a different gambling experience than before. But they must be able to control themselves because gambling in moderation can make them want to gamble more.

However, gambling responsibly will not make them want to gamble longer because they will realize it will only result in bigger losses. They cannot enjoy gambling as entertainment but want to chase their winnings. And there will be a desire to deposit more money if they lose again. And we should be able to use gambling like other entertainment.

We can guide them to use gambling properly so they don't experience more losses. They also need to find other hobbies besides gambling so that they can also use them besides gambling. It will be safer for them because they can prevent losing their money if they continue to pin their hopes on gambling. And if we can be wise in our behavior, we will only use gambling occasionally because we have other activities that can also provide pleasure.

If someone wants to gamble, they really need to prepare a certain amount of money that they expect to lose so that they don't feel a big disappointment because they have lost. The important thing is that they can control themselves with whatever amount of money they can afford to prevent losing their money, which can trigger increased emotions and ultimately make them want to deposit more money. Using enough money is also okay when playing gambling because we don't want to experience loss, and even though we can't be successful like other successful gamblers, that is enough for us, especially as we are still learning to control ourselves. By only using the money we can afford, we also learn to limit ourselves so that we don't gamble excessively to avoid various problems that can arise at any time.

Becoming a successful gambler will never be easy because the casino will take the biggest share of the profits, and we will only regret losing a lot of money. We should withdraw immediately after experiencing a losing streak so we won't get caught up in the emotional upsurge resulting from that losing streak. Perhaps successful gamblers can avoid various problems and are not like most gamblers who add problem after problem to their lives, so they cannot become successful gamblers. We also don't need to try too hard in gambling, especially since we know that it is a very difficult thing to achieve, so we will only think about using gambling as entertainment and will not use it excessively.

This is especially true for card players, these guys are able to control themselves as well as possible. But those who constantly spin slots are very bad at controlling themselves. I have seen many poker players who won tournaments, after which they permanently ended their poker career and did something else, while they did it with ease.

As far as I know I used to think that people who are passionate about gambling are addicted gamblers but gamblers who know the reason for success in gambling are called professional gamblers. Professional gamblers do not fall into the addiction and make every effort to achieve success in gambling when they determine and proceed with lots of research. Reasonably they win and all their needs in life are met by gambling money.

but, aren't many artists, painters, musicians, dancers obsessed by their craft?
take Kobe Bryant as an example, he was a basketball player but also an artist on his craft, one of the top ones in his game

wasn't he obsessed about it? the amount of training he did and everything, you know what I mean?

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Maybe we think in a different way because I think it's possible to suceed without passion, though with passion it tastes better.

It is true that success in gambling is not easy and is a bit impossible and rarely happens especially around us, and the house always has a greater chance of winning than the gambler, and actually I am also not sure that anyone can really be successful in the field of gambling even though they have mastered the game and become expert because as far as we know, people like that are very rare to find even though we have heard of them occasionally.

As long as we can get the chance to win and make a profit, we must be able to manage our thoughts to immediately stop and cash out because if we continue we will lose the profits. Don't ever think too much about winning bigger and being able to be successful because of gambling because it is impossible and maybe the percentage is 5% from all corners of the world who carry out gambling activities, but that doesn't mean that people who are successfull at gambling are addiction we have to be able to differentiate between them.

if they are using their time and effort here and also used their income/wins to bring food for the table then I think it is not addiction but a profession and with those they are not entitled to be called addicted.
We must respect their choices in  life and use them as example that not all gamblers are bad people , but the sad part here is that only few of them that has this behavior and indeed majority are addicted.

I used to believe they are  addicted gamblers , Like my Uncle that i know involving in gambling
since I'm a kid and yes all of us in family look at Him as  Gambling addict and indeed we do not trust Him with money .

But years after as he become a successful in this field ? having His big house,car and wealthy
living ? bringing all His children into private school and made them graduated just the money from gambling? now I
changed my mind and believe they are truly professional in this field .

This is true, and this is the reason why, if someone who is fully into gambling have been able to make some big wins from gambling as a result them being lucky enough to stake on a higher odd game and that day appears to be a lucky day for them then they should take a break and learn how to manage the money which they have won from gambling and don’t allow the winning to take over them.

As many gamblers don’t always learn that winning is not something that happens all the time they always allow their last win to control them thinking that every day will appear to be the same way and as a result of that they become too greedy to they extend they always chase high odds and loses which could lead them to losing everything.

I would disagree with your opinion. Do you personally think an individual who’s an addict can be successful at whatever he/she does? I don’t think so. In my opinion, Success and addiction are far apart and don’t have anything in common. A gambler who’s addicted to gambling could almost never be successful in the activity as being addicted to gambling, you’ll find such individuals always at the casinos playing away whatever money is in their possession.

A gambler that wins majority of bets placed due to methods used or painstakingly doing some good research to have a somewhat accurate prediction. I wouldn’t say such individuals are addicts.
An addict would rarely be successful in anything especially gambling.

Yes, exactly. If we always win at gambling it doesn't mean we are addicted, as long as we can still control it and are not controlled by excessive lust then we don't need to worry about that. Isn't our goal in gambling apart from seeking entertainment and also seeking luck in winning?

Because in my opinion addiction is a condition that makes us lose control in gambling games. Usually this refers to excessive curiosity and is driven by a strong desire to continue playing without good financial management.

Yeah, an addiction is simply a behavior someone does that creates some kind of negative outcome for them or for the people around them.

If they have it under control and they even win money, then there's nothing to worry about. But the thing is that those are the minority.

It's one thing to be successful in gambling and absolutely a different thing to be addicted to gambling because so activities and  the attitude of so many successful gamblers out there and the fact that most of them are always acting like they're now addicted to gambling, it has now become a norm for people to see successful gamblers are addicts but thank goodness we have a platform like this where we can always correct such wrong impressions among people.

For a gambler to be seen as being successful in gambling, it simply means that he has significantly had more winnings than losses in gambling and you don't need to be an addict to experience of this. I've been privileged to see a gambler who from the very day he started gambling, he's had significantly more winnings than losses as he's always lucky with in his gambling activities but that doesn't make him a gambling addict. A gambler can only be deemed an addict the moment he loses control of his gambling activities and that's why it's absolutely wrong for someone to think that every successful gambler is a gambling addict

I agree that lack of financial planning is the root cause of gambling recks that we have today's, just like you said many of them have won big amount from gambling in the past, but their lifestyle and lack of proper planning will still make them to remain in their porverty state, which is something that jave raised alot of discussions in recent time.

But also the bad thing is that, because of this behaviour of few of them, other gambler's who even control their own gambling exceses are now seen as addict's and irresponsible people, so that is why many of us have embraced the online gambling partten since the COVID lock down, because with online casinos, no one knows you gamble so your privacy your right its only your character and behaviour that will now tell others who you are.

Well said, someone or some people who have earned or won a huge amount of money from gambling in the past are expected to be poor, most especially, those who got really lucky and won money in the range of $50,000 and above, but then, if we go around today, we will discover some old time gamblers who won millions or dollars in lotteries and other gambling games, but today are living from hand to mouth, living a very rekt live, this is not because gambling money is cursed, no no, they simply became what they are today by their own doing, which includes reckless spending, no plan and investment for the future, no backup plans just incase a particular investment fails to produce the expected fruit, this are just a few reasons added to the one you have mentioned.

Some person when they hit big amount of money over night, this money looks too much to them, and they feel that no amount of spending can ever make them or their pocket go dry again, they start spending any how on things with short term pleasure and no long term value, they increase the amount they are now spending on gambling, you see someone playing slot game with as much as $500 per spin.

All this plus many other unmentioned reasons are why some jackpot winners end up being broke after some time or years.

Well, what happened is that when the money that has cost us so much to get is spent, because it has been with the sweat of our effort, since it is something that has much more value, it is obvious that when a person goes to a caisnolo, the first thing they should do is designate that money is willing to lose, and if it happens for a moment then things can be good, but things can be affected by other things, primarily we are people who must do any kind of thing to be able to win in a casino, following the rules. rules and basic things and requirements, secondly, if you do not have the power of all things, you have to go look for other things, for example, at the moment of playing, if we designate a losing amount, let's say 40usd, we must calculate the 40usd and try to multiply them, no wonder we are willing to lose them because we are going to spend them and now, no, we have to make it possible to increase, whether by double or close to double, which is not easy, but it is possible.

Therefore, if we achieve this, it is a good thing that things sound more in our favor, because it is easier to say when we are going to withdraw and how much we are going to continue in a casino, if we continue in a casino and with the bad things, I advise that you never leave with all in, because it is something that I know very hard to do, going with everything that I could result in is losing everything you have and that is not what you are looking for, we have to be intelligent people, and know that the caisno will always have the house advantage, and that every time we play we are always going to try to win in that aspect, and every time we have a victory we have to win, we have to retire, we can easily continue trying to play and win and when we win it is Because everything is gone, then the idea is clear, if we know that these are the main basic functions of a casino, we will have a different aspect of living it.

Success is something that cant fit out on gambling field, if there are  those people who are on such condition then it is really jus that pretty rare which we do know that it cant really be just that
to easy for you to  succeed on gambling field yet odds or chances is always against us on which it is really just that right that you should really do everything in moderation.
This is why it would be always best that you should really know on when to get out on the time that you do make money or profits and ever intend to make yourself that
being too greedy in towards your decisions. There are really just those people who do set up those kind of unrealistic goals and mindset and this is why they do end up
on such bad decisions towards gambling.

If we talk about wanting to spend our hard-earned money, it will not be difficult because we can use it for various things. But is that what he wants and just wants to spend it gambling at the casino even though he has many daily needs that must be met. That would only make him lose all his income, and he would not be able to have money to meet his daily needs. If someone wants to go to a casino, he must prepare some money to gamble, and there is no need to bring a lot of money to the casino because that can make him forget to stop himself when he has been gambling for too long. He doesn't need to spend a lot of money gambling because gambling is just part of his entertainment, while he can still look for and find other entertainment that doesn't use too much money. They must remember that gambling can cost them money, so they must be able to prevent it from happening.

We don't need to advise people to go to casinos to gamble because we don't know whether people who take that advice can be responsible with themselves and disciplined in how they use their money or whether they will spend more money. If they end up spending a lot of money and can't accept their losses, they might complain to us and blame us for advising them to gamble. Besides that, by going to a casino, someone should be aware that they have the possibility of losing at the gambling game they play, so they must be prepared to face it. But most of them will not be ready to accept defeat, so they will continue to blame us. That is why we shouldn't give any advice to people, especially people we have just met. And it is true that when a person enters a casino, everything will change, and he can completely lose his self-control in gambling and will lose a lot of money.

Everyone does not want to end up in a slump in any case and this includes gambling activities and this means that it is not something that is intentional if in the end gamblers end up with financial problems, they do not allow themselves to enter the black hole but the lack of understanding and limits is the main factor that finally makes them fall into it. On the other hand we are talking about someone who can't keep or limit their money to gambling allocations and if they are poor because of spending on other things in real life then this is something else or it means their bad habits that can't maintain financial balance in real life and not entirely because of the wrong approach to gambling.

On the other hand are you saying that addicted gamblers are successful? I honestly don't understand this because it is a fact that addicted gamblers tend to always have bad behavior and are not recommended in gambling involvement and there is clearly no aspect of responsibility that they have in their gambling, if they really have good responsibility then there is no way they end up with addiction, you have to understand that addicted gamblers are those who always overdo it and that means they cannot manage their finances well on gambling which eventually makes them addicted.

Success in gambling cannot actually be linked to addicts. Even though most successful gamblers have spent a lot of time gambling, they gamble by controlling their minds, gambling responsibly and gambling using strategies so that is why they can be successful in their gambling. Meanwhile, for gambling addiction, most of what they experience is loss, not success because they gamble irresponsibly and cannot control themselves, which usually results in bigger losses every day.

It's true because in fact success in gambling is an achievement that is not easy for gamblers who are truly successful. They have learned a lot about the strategies they play and are not careless in betting, which is different from gambling addicts who gamble carelessly without thinking about the risk of losing, so their views on success gambling is very different from addiction in general.