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Quote from: maydna on August 27, 2023, 09:23:44 AM

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Yeah, I agree there is definitely a distinction between successful gamblers and gambling addicts. They would not be successful and be wherever in their position when they possess characteristics of gambling addicts. Successful gamblers have the positive characteristics that separate them from average gamblers and gambling addicts. They are competent to carefully analyze the games well before betting, and they definitely have the "self-awareness" to assess themselves, work on their weaknesses, and use their strengths properly. In gambling, it will either pull you up or pull you down. And it is fascinating how these successful gamblers made it to the top.

This also made me curious to search about these successful gamblers, which I have observed mostly are bettors of horse racing, blackjack, baccarat, sports betting, and poker.

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And those successful gamblers are few in number because to become like them takes a lot of things that many people can't do. That is what distinguishes successful gamblers from gambling addicts. And we certainly do not want to become gambling addicts and would rather become successful gamblers if we know how. And if there are people who also want to become successful gamblers, they have to go through various things that must be prepared and done and go through the process step by step. That's what makes many people fail to become successful gamblers because they can't go through every stage needed to become a successful gambler.

Successful gamblers may be found in skill-based gambling games, like you said because they continue to hone their skills until they become successful gamblers. But we can't imagine what they did to reach the stage of becoming a successful gambler because the practice would be very difficult. They also definitely have better self-control than most gamblers.

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Those who fall into gambling addiction, probably they weren’t successful gamblers because they fail to understand what’s the real purpose of gambling. Gambling is designed to entertain each user or player, and making money out from it is only a bonus. But if you end up wasting a lot of your time and money in gambling thinking that it could give you a reliable source of income, you are very wrong. You only fail on the trap of gambling, but you never hit the purpose of what is gambling all about.

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Quote from: Awaklara on August 27, 2023, 11:49:32 PM

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such control could only be exercised by someone with experience. and it requires lots of bets so that gamblers can calmly control their emotions.
I have to admit it's not easy, because most gamblers who get addicted there are worse, some are better.

gamblers who have a lot of experience and are still gambling until now they have better control and we can call them professional gamblers and for good or bad addiction it depends on each addict. i mean if the gambler is just entering the world of gambling it will make things worse but the old gambler will get better as i said first about the experienced gambler. because gambling addicts who have been gambling for a long time there are some who have recovered from their bad addiction and betting today is just for fun but for gambling addicts who have just entered gambling he still has great ambitions to win and win he thinks so any control will he ignore.

and whether its easy or difficult to control emotions depends on the state of mind of each gambler. if gamblers have a healthy mindset as we discussed in other threads I believe it will be easier to control emotions.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

How do we defined as addictive gambler?
Increasing their bets are not always seen as addictive gambler, to me an addictive gambler is someone who can't stay a day without gambling or not visiting the casino and gambling site. These sets of people don't even mind spending money given to them for another purposes, at this point whenever you noticed anyone acting strange and also taking their wives or husband's money you should be able to note that such person is an addicted gambler.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Do you believe that successful gamblers can manage funds effectively and remain calm in every action?
Not all gamblers can do this, even a successful gambler, here I want to ask what kind of successful gambler do you mean?
Is it a gambling influencer or a gambler who manages to get lucky and win big so that they are said to be a successful gambler because no one can really have success as a gambler unless they are paid for every gamble that is done like an influencer.
First of all bullshit with the success of a gambler and what is clear is that a gambler must have a great chance of becoming an addict even though he is a gambler who has made quite a lot of wins but we also have to realize that of the many wins there is also a series of defeats that always makes him come into trouble. casino to recover the loss.

In most influencer contracts I presume it works this way: The influencer is given a set amount of salary and a set amount of funds deposited into their account. They must turnover a certain amount of bets and whatever they win extra ontop they're free to keep post completion of turnover. That way these influencers are also invested in playing in the right strategies to preserve and lose the least amount to keep the stream integrity.

However what I said regarding a successful gambler is one that holds gambling as their only source of income. People have been trying to beat the casino for as long as casinos have existed. This ranges from many different forms of betting such as sports, poker, and table games. Poker and sports have real examples of people truly succeeding in their gambling careers and this has been evident for many years. However there are a small amount of people who play by different betting patterns on table games such as Baccarat, Blackjack & Roulette. There are intricacies that gamblers believe they have an edge in ie: counting cards, being able to see where the ball will drop on Roulette (The specific section roughly) and they'd bet on all the numbers that are in that quarter that they think that the ball will land in.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Do you believe that successful gamblers can manage funds effectively and remain calm in every action?
Not all gamblers can do this, even a successful gambler, here I want to ask what kind of successful gambler do you mean?
Is it a gambling influencer or a gambler who manages to get lucky and win big so that they are said to be a successful gambler because no one can really have success as a gambler unless they are paid for every gamble that is done like an influencer.
First of all bullshit with the success of a gambler and what is clear is that a gambler must have a great chance of becoming an addict even though he is a gambler who has made quite a lot of wins but we also have to realize that of the many wins there is also a series of defeats that always makes him come into trouble. casino to recover the loss.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on August 27, 2023, 02:38:25 PM

See yourself in a position that you want to be in the future. So if you are a struggling gambler who wants to seek and claim consistency and profitability in gambling, don't be ashamed of saying that you are a successful gambler even if you're not for the time being. Identity comes first and then your actions. Because in between the successful one and the addictive one, it's just their level of professionalism, their discipline to follow their budget, and their patience.

everything can be done because of their experience in gambling. new gamblers will not be able to do it all. they will be in a position of addiction and want to continue playing even without control until a loss makes them realize that they want to gamble more responsibly.

Quote from: maydna on August 27, 2023, 09:23:44 AM

That's true because a professional can take care of himself while playing gambling and will not be affected by anything in the casino. They usually will not be tempted by the gambling game and remain calm even though they may experience loss and will not be provoked by their emotions to increase their bets because they know that it will only make them lose more. They can also decide to stop immediately, especially if they have lost in a row and will not try to play one more round. For them, it is better to stop and rest than continue playing gambling because it is not good for their health. They can also control themselves so they don't get addicted to gambling after playing for a while because they have years of experience that can keep them from exceeding their set limits.

such control could only be exercised by someone with experience. and it requires lots of bets so that gamblers can calmly control their emotions.
I have to admit it's not easy, because most gamblers who get addicted there are worse, some are better.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on August 27, 2023, 02:38:25 PM

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See yourself in a position that you want to be in the future. So if you are a struggling gambler who wants to seek and claim consistency and profitability in gambling, don't be ashamed of saying that you are a successful gambler even if you're not for the time being. Identity comes first and then your actions. Because in between the successful one and the addictive one, it's just their level of professionalism, their discipline to follow their budget, and their patience.

That's a good idea.

Looking at yourself at possible futures, and then seeing what would it be like. Then, discard the bad outcomes, and carry on the plan required to go to the future that looked the best for you.

That's basically thinking really. You try to predict the future based on the present and current habits, and see where you will end up, and adjust accordingly.

You can either plan to go towards a goal, or plan to move away from something bad, or both.

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Quote from: Maslate on August 27, 2023, 09:02:36 AM

Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Unfortunately, that's only limited to our perspective because we know the real difference between the proper gamblers and addicted gamblers, but for the people that don't know what's the difference, they only see gamblers and addicts as one and nothing more. And the thing is, we cannot do something to change that kind of perspective as even if we try and explain ourselves, it will just be futile and most probably, a waste of time.

See yourself in a position that you want to be in the future. So if you are a struggling gambler who wants to seek and claim consistency and profitability in gambling, don't be ashamed of saying that you are a successful gambler even if you're not for the time being. Identity comes first and then your actions. Because in between the successful one and the addictive one, it's just their level of professionalism, their discipline to follow their budget, and their patience.

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Quote from: maydna on August 27, 2023, 09:23:44 AM

That's true because a professional can take care of himself while playing gambling and will not be affected by anything in the casino. They usually will not be tempted by the gambling game and remain calm even though they may experience loss and will not be provoked by their emotions to increase their bets because they know that it will only make them lose more. They can also decide to stop immediately, especially if they have lost in a row and will not try to play one more round. For them, it is better to stop and rest than continue playing gambling because it is not good for their health. They can also control themselves so they don't get addicted to gambling after playing for a while because they have years of experience that can keep them from exceeding their set limits.

Yeah, I agree there is definitely a distinction between successful gamblers and gambling addicts. They would not be successful and be wherever in their position when they possess characteristics of gambling addicts. Successful gamblers have the positive characteristics that separate them from average gamblers and gambling addicts. They are competent to carefully analyze the games well before betting, and they definitely have the "self-awareness" to assess themselves, work on their weaknesses, and use their strengths properly. In gambling, it will either pull you up or pull you down. And it is fascinating how these successful gamblers made it to the top.

This also made me curious to search about these successful gamblers, which I have observed mostly are bettors of horse racing, blackjack, baccarat, sports betting, and poker.

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https://playtoday.co/blog/guides/richest-gamblers/

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

That's true because a professional can take care of himself while playing gambling and will not be affected by anything in the casino. They usually will not be tempted by the gambling game and remain calm even though they may experience loss and will not be provoked by their emotions to increase their bets because they know that it will only make them lose more. They can also decide to stop immediately, especially if they have lost in a row and will not try to play one more round. For them, it is better to stop and rest than continue playing gambling because it is not good for their health. They can also control themselves so they don't get addicted to gambling after playing for a while because they have years of experience that can keep them from exceeding their set limits.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Unfortunately, that's only limited to our perspective because we know the real difference between the proper gamblers and addicted gamblers, but for the people that don't know what's the difference, they only see gamblers and addicts as one and nothing more. And the thing is, we cannot do something to change that kind of perspective as even if we try and explain ourselves, it will just be futile and most probably, a waste of time.

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Quote from: nullama on August 27, 2023, 07:31:21 AM

Quote from: STT on August 26, 2023, 06:27:25 PM

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Its a contradiction, well said really. If the gambling is controlling the player then by default unless very lucky somehow the gambler will be paying for games and not gaining but paying out to others, other winners and the casino themselves. Successful suggest someone who has mastered the path of luck and avoided the pullback of losses to regularly gain, that could be skill or I think some good money management could achiever this.
In short, a successful gambler is just a rich person and thats probably what most would think of first. A proper addict will win and in any case give it all back not knowing when to stop.

It's a bit ironic because a successful gambler will have to stop gambling at some point to actually be considered successful.

If they keep gambling, they will eventually lose all their money and their status of successful gambler.

But no ones wants to hear that, they just want to hear about this mythological creature that keeps winning against all the odds all the time. That is just fantasy.

There are no successful gamblers except those who do streaming service and I doubt they are successful too as they just keep playing until they lose everything and the ones who win a life changing jackpot.The problem is that people who win life changing jackpots can be counted with the fingers of one hand and even here,most of them have ended broke because of their poor mentality as we have discussed some time ago in another thread in gambling.

I agree with you that any person who gambles is destined to be in red in the long run as if there were true successful gamblers we would see fewer and fewer casinos popping up like mushrooms in the rain when in reality we see more and more of them opening up which for me has a meaning,it is a huge profitable business for the owners.

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A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

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Quote from: STT on August 26, 2023, 06:27:25 PM

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Its a contradiction, well said really. If the gambling is controlling the player then by default unless very lucky somehow the gambler will be paying for games and not gaining but paying out to others, other winners and the casino themselves. Successful suggest someone who has mastered the path of luck and avoided the pullback of losses to regularly gain, that could be skill or I think some good money management could achiever this.
In short, a successful gambler is just a rich person and thats probably what most would think of first. A proper addict will win and in any case give it all back not knowing when to stop.

It's a bit ironic because a successful gambler will have to stop gambling at some point to actually be considered successful.

If they keep gambling, they will eventually lose all their money and their status of successful gambler.

But no ones wants to hear that, they just want to hear about this mythological creature that keeps winning against all the odds all the time. That is just fantasy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2023, 11:36:17 PM

I am not sure whether a gambling addict can ever become a successful gambler.

Its a contradiction, well said really. If the gambling is controlling the player then by default unless very lucky somehow the gambler will be paying for games and not gaining but paying out to others, other winners and the casino themselves. Successful suggest someone who has mastered the path of luck and avoided the pullback of losses to regularly gain, that could be skill or I think some good money management could achiever this.
In short, a successful gambler is just a rich person and thats probably what most would think of first. A proper addict will win and in any case give it all back not knowing when to stop.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

If you are having a habit of gambling regularly and if you don't want to end up in financial ruin, then you need to follow strict stop-loss protocols. There is no other option. If you don't know when to pullout, then it will be better not to gamble. Because one bad day (or even a few hours) can ruin your entire life. The problem is that many of the gamblers get carried away after winning initially. And when they start losing, they end up chasing the losses, which will cause even more losses to them. You need to constantly remember about your limits while gambling.

The strict rule will help us to get away from the financial crisis due to huge loss.Mostly their must be some gap between every game.If you play gambling for the 6 days in a week,the last day of the week you should not play on that days.Mostly gamblers said to take left,when the right option not worked.One day is enough to ruin your peace of the life.The gambler will live the life only if he had huge amount of back up to their family members.The most important one is not to play the game after many losses at a time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2023, 02:57:11 AM

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I am not sure whether a gambling addict can ever become a successful gambler. In order to be successful in gambling, you need to follow strict rules for yourselves. First of all, bet as much as you can afford to lose. And after betting, you need to follow strict stop-loss guidelines. You need to pullout when it becomes clear that the losses are getting unaffordable. Gambling addicts are unable to follow any of these rules, and this results in their financial ruin. And if you don't follow these rules, I don't think that you will ever become successful in gambling.

Your strategy in gambling is very good. I am interested in what you describe, maybe very few people are able to carry out a gambling strategy like what you said. In my opinion, in gambling we have to be prepared for what we are risking, whether we win or lose, if we gamble for fun then it will be better because there is very little chance of winning in gambling.

If you are having a habit of gambling regularly and if you don't want to end up in financial ruin, then you need to follow strict stop-loss protocols. There is no other option. If you don't know when to pullout, then it will be better not to gamble. Because one bad day (or even a few hours) can ruin your entire life. The problem is that many of the gamblers get carried away after winning initially. And when they start losing, they end up chasing the losses, which will cause even more losses to them. You need to constantly remember about your limits while gambling.

It is very difficult for gamblers who cannot control their emotions to implement a stop loss strategy like you said, because when gambling they always set the target of winning big so they don't realize they have lost. Understanding the limits of gambling is indeed a very difficult thing for those who have experienced gambling addiction, maybe they regret after losing and return to gambling in the same way another day.

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Quote from: Bloodseekers on August 08, 2023, 12:38:16 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2023, 11:36:17 PM

I am not sure whether a gambling addict can ever become a successful gambler. In order to be successful in gambling, you need to follow strict rules for yourselves. First of all, bet as much as you can afford to lose. And after betting, you need to follow strict stop-loss guidelines. You need to pullout when it becomes clear that the losses are getting unaffordable. Gambling addicts are unable to follow any of these rules, and this results in their financial ruin. And if you don't follow these rules, I don't think that you will ever become successful in gambling.

Your strategy in gambling is very good. I am interested in what you describe, maybe very few people are able to carry out a gambling strategy like what you said. In my opinion, in gambling we have to be prepared for what we are risking, whether we win or lose, if we gamble for fun then it will be better because there is very little chance of winning in gambling.

If you are having a habit of gambling regularly and if you don't want to end up in financial ruin, then you need to follow strict stop-loss protocols. There is no other option. If you don't know when to pullout, then it will be better not to gamble. Because one bad day (or even a few hours) can ruin your entire life. The problem is that many of the gamblers get carried away after winning initially. And when they start losing, they end up chasing the losses, which will cause even more losses to them. You need to constantly remember about your limits while gambling.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on August 08, 2023, 09:30:18 AM

I don't think so, based on the terms it seem successful gambler is someone who's making money through gambling while an addict is someone who's keep losing his money including the money that should be used for food, bill, monthly need etc.

A successful gambler should have spend a lot time in gambling similar like an addict, but the result between both of them are completely different.

Making the extreme right decision, gambling is never what makes one optimistic because of the negative outcomes. When it comes to addiction, we all have various perspectives. There are many junkies; we simply need to know what we want and work hard to get it. Basic words must be learned before becoming more comfortable with gambling activities, as being acquainted with the full system is unlikely to be one of today's tasks. There are many sacrifices that must be made before a gambler can become a successful gambler, because it is not an action that can be done quickly; it requires incremental stages in order for us to get into appropriate shape.

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