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Quote from: nullama on August 28, 2023, 11:50:56 PM

Quote from: Wakate on August 28, 2023, 06:31:13 PM

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Self control and discipline is what make the difference. You can be a successful gambler and still be an addictive one because it all depends on the way we utilize it and from what angle we are seeing it. Gambling is something we need to understand and what it take someone to be a successful one. When we have become a professional with results, we can be called a successful gambler either an addictive one or just a discipline one. When we want to make profits by all means as a gambler, we might be tempted to do the wrong thing becoming an addict.

At the end of the day the odds are against you, and being self controlled and disciplined won't make a difference.

It's all just probabilities in the end. You might have one person that hits the jackpot at their first try, while another diligent one never wins it.

Self control and discipline wont make a difference in the result/outcome (win/lose) indeed but it will make a big difference for our whole gambling journey. Without self control and discipline, you might be down badly and affect your whole life emotionally and financially. This is for me what is called by "successful gambler", gamblers who can play gambling as they wish and it does not affect their life negatively because they have self control and discipline in managing their money and time for gambling.

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Quote from: Teraboy on August 28, 2023, 06:23:15 PM

they are successful for reason though, to put it simply, the fact that they are successful because they are having self control and good strategy otherwise they'd just outright went bankrupt.
I think they are not addicts, instead they are strategic people that always thinks with logic thats the main reason why they are winning in the first place.
but we don't really know right? they could be very well winning simply because they are lucky too.

A successful gambler clearly has better self-control than other gamblers, where they can play gambling calmly and not just chase victory. And I also agree that successful gamblers are not gambling addicts because of their advantages in playing gambling. They can think about when to leave the casino, especially before losing a lot. Meanwhile, this is different from us who are still provoked to keep playing even though we have experienced many losses. And we also don't see that by experiencing that many losses, we should have been able to decide to stop gambling first but there are still many who continue to play gambling instead. And that's what makes us even become gambling addict, and instead of getting success from gambling, we even lose more money and can't recover the loss.

I'm going to ask a little bit first about, what is meant by successful gamblers? Do they get a lot of winnings continuously and have a lot of money from gambling? or are they those who manage to control themselves when playing? But honestly I disagree with my first statement, and my assumption is the same as yours that in gambling the meaning of success is in other words those who are able to fully control themselves with some restrictions that they have planned beforehand and they can do it without any obstacles, but referring to the first statement I disagree with successful gamblers are those who manage to get a lot of money, it doesn't make sense if it only relies on luck. And that means successful gamblers are those who are not addicted. All the process of getting into addiction is the same, like you said it starts from a win mostly, they manage to get a win but never feel satisfied and they think this is an opportunity to make a lot of money, without realizing that this is a temptation for them to get stuck there longer. It's hard to get out of addiction because everyone has lust and greed especially about money.

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Quote from: Teraboy on August 28, 2023, 06:23:15 PM

they are successful for reason though, to put it simply, the fact that they are successful because they are having self control and good strategy otherwise they'd just outright went bankrupt.
I think they are not addicts, instead they are strategic people that always thinks with logic thats the main reason why they are winning in the first place.
but we don't really know right? they could be very well winning simply because they are lucky too.

A successful gambler clearly has better self-control than other gamblers, where they can play gambling calmly and not just chase victory. And I also agree that successful gamblers are not gambling addicts because of their advantages in playing gambling. They can think about when to leave the casino, especially before losing a lot. Meanwhile, this is different from us who are still provoked to keep playing even though we have experienced many losses. And we also don't see that by experiencing that many losses, we should have been able to decide to stop gambling first but there are still many who continue to play gambling instead. And that's what makes us even become gambling addict, and instead of getting success from gambling, we even lose more money and can't recover the loss.

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Quote from: Wakate on August 28, 2023, 06:31:13 PM

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Self control and discipline is what make the difference. You can be a successful gambler and still be an addictive one because it all depends on the way we utilize it and from what angle we are seeing it. Gambling is something we need to understand and what it take someone to be a successful one. When we have become a professional with results, we can be called a successful gambler either an addictive one or just a discipline one. When we want to make profits by all means as a gambler, we might be tempted to do the wrong thing becoming an addict.

At the end of the day the odds are against you, and being self controlled and disciplined won't make a difference.

It's all just probabilities in the end. You might have one person that hits the jackpot at their first try, while another diligent one never wins it.

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Quote from: Teraboy on August 28, 2023, 06:23:15 PM

they are successful for reason though, to put it simply, the fact that they are successful because they are having self control and good strategy otherwise they'd just outright went bankrupt.
I think they are not addicts, instead they are strategic people that always thinks with logic thats the main reason why they are winning in the first place.
but we don't really know right? they could be very well winning simply because they are lucky too.

Self control and discipline is what make the difference. You can be a successful gambler and still be an addictive one because it all depends on the way we utilize it and from what angle we are seeing it. Gambling is something we need to understand and what it take someone to be a successful one. When we have become a professional with results, we can be called a successful gambler either an addictive one or just a discipline one. When we want to make profits by all means as a gambler, we might be tempted to do the wrong thing becoming an addict.

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they are successful for reason though, to put it simply, the fact that they are successful because they are having self control and good strategy otherwise they'd just outright went bankrupt.
I think they are not addicts, instead they are strategic people that always thinks with logic thats the main reason why they are winning in the first place.
but we don't really know right? they could be very well winning simply because they are lucky too.

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Quote from: abel1337 on August 28, 2023, 07:19:54 AM

Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

Depends on how we see successful gamblers, it may vary. For me successful gamblers are the one who take home huge amount of profit and beats the casino. In this case, I'm positive that there are addicted gamblers who successfully beat the casino with the luck or the experience they have.

Success can be temporary and some addicted gamblers can prove it by losing their massive accumulated profit later on. Though I can't generalize it all since we all have a different experiences, but one thing is for sure. Those who stay successful has the skills and control on what they are doing.

Yes, it's true, this depends on our point of view about the meaning of the word "successful gambler". The successful gambler does not only mean that he has gambled for decades and has made a lot of profit. But someone who is just getting to know gambling and joins in gambling then he wins a very big jackpot, in my opinion that can also be called a "successful gambler" too.
But if what the OP meant is the successful gamblers that I mentioned first, then I think yes, they will certainly experience addiction, but they can control their gambling desires, therefore they can be called "successful gamblers".
But I think that basically everyone who carries out gambling activities actually has potential and must have experienced gambling addiction in carrying out their gambling activities. But we cannot immediately judge that a successful gambler is a gambling addict in a negative sense because it all depends on their individual self-control.

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Quote from: Westinhome on August 28, 2023, 12:25:26 PM

Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

The successful gambler will not get addicted any point,the greedy people only get addicted to the gambling.The gambling sites will help us to earn some big win when the fortune come to you.But you should not get addicted after that win,then all your winning may go to the loss.Plan the game after the winning will keep you away from the addiction.The addicted gamblers will not be normal,they will keep play till the daily deposit limits get over.They will play the sleepless game,but the normal gambler won’t play the game without the sleep.Because they consider gambling as the game,but the addict consider the gambling as the earning platform.Just expect the entertainment from the gambling.

But they must have been addicted before they got their control over this addiction. This is just like getting in love with a woman, you'll get brokenhearted first and then you get over with the fantasies in order for you to be able to think straight.

Those successful gamblers have been there before, they've been addicted at least during their early years which today they can sleep tight even when the night they lost thousands of USD, they won't hastily bet in order to get back the loss.

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Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

The successful gambler will not get addicted any point,the greedy people only get addicted to the gambling.The gambling sites will help us to earn some big win when the fortune come to you.But you should not get addicted after that win,then all your winning may go to the loss.Plan the game after the winning will keep you away from the addiction.The addicted gamblers will not be normal,they will keep play till the daily deposit limits get over.They will play the sleepless game,but the normal gambler won’t play the game without the sleep.Because they consider gambling as the game,but the addict consider the gambling as the earning platform.Just expect the entertainment from the gambling.

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Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

Yup success need patience and hard thinking & work. An addicted gambler can never be successful. Because the only successful gamblers are those who gamble patiently and do a lot of research on gambling without panicking and gambling. a person who focuses more on a thing gradually becomes an expert on that. So logically a successful gambler cannot be called a gambling addict. Because the person who is addicted to gambling, if he wins gambling, greed will work in him and he will lose them again after gambling again and again. But successful gamblers won't do that. If they win gambling, they will use that money for some other good purpose

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Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

Successful gamblers also experienced that kind of experience which you have described to addicts in gambling. For sure for their first time or they are just starting they have felt the same way but it would only differ on how they would take that experience if its a lesson or just an experience. If you have seen a video on Tiktok of people doing a gambling where they almost look like a zombie by just playing slots (I can't find the link for the video). So would you consider them as addicts? We can right but how come if they might act like it but they've already won huge amount that's why their behavior and attitude is like that? My point is everyone might have different mindset in doing gambling, we have different techniques so even if you do your own research but if you lack experience you would still get a hard time in gambling because its still based on luck.

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Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

And it has a name called professional gamblers, these professionals are somehow addicted as well but we cannot say that they don't know what they are doing because they surely think differently compared to the other gamblers and that is why they are called in that name for a reason and because they are getting what they want by doing some gamble with more success on their side. Sure losses cannot be avoided but they are making sure that their wins are much bigger compared to their loses.

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Quote from: coinerer on August 28, 2023, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

Depends on how we see successful gamblers, it may vary. For me successful gamblers are the one who take home huge amount of profit and beats the casino. In this case, I'm positive that there are addicted gamblers who successfully beat the casino with the luck or the experience they have.

Success can be temporary and some addicted gamblers can prove it by losing their massive accumulated profit later on. Though I can't generalize it all since we all have a different experiences, but one thing is for sure. Those who stay successful has the skills and control on what they are doing.

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Quote from: goaldigger on July 08, 2023, 03:53:42 PM

If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

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Quote from: Dunamisx on August 28, 2023, 05:57:28 AM

If you're successful in gambling but yet addicted, no one will see the negative side of it in you because you're ok with it and also have something to show for it, if you're unsuccessful in gambling and still addicted, you will be discouraged yourself and people will also get worried about how you're being addicted because that is definitely going to affect those around you and the things you do also, addition has many disadvantages than the advantages it has, it's better not to started on that at all because not every addicted gamblers are successful.

I have never found successful gamblers who have become addicts, because most of them just waste their time and money on gambling for something that is out of control gambling by following greedy emotions and behavior, most of what I see are addict gamblers always fail in their gambling even addicts are always negatively assessed by anyone because they cannot control themselves.

What you say is true, don't ever start, whoever you are, don't ever try gambling without understanding the risks, because there are no gamblers who are successful and rich because most of them always end up badly becoming addicts who are very uncontrollable and frustrated and even difficult to quit that addiction. even though an addict has played for many hours in a casino, they are not necessarily successful, so I think no successful gambler can be said to be an addict because indeed no gambler is successful, even if he is an addict.

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Quote from: tusandii on August 28, 2023, 12:27:22 AM

Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Do you believe that successful gamblers can manage funds effectively and remain calm in every action?
Not all gamblers can do this, even a successful gambler, here I want to ask what kind of successful gambler do you mean?
Is it a gambling influencer or a gambler who manages to get lucky and win big so that they are said to be a successful gambler because no one can really have success as a gambler unless they are paid for every gamble that is done like an influencer.
First of all bullshit with the success of a gambler and what is clear is that a gambler must have a great chance of becoming an addict even though he is a gambler who has made quite a lot of wins but we also have to realize that of the many wins there is also a series of defeats that always makes him come into trouble. casino to recover the loss.

Successful gamblers for me are gamblers who are able to control themselves and can successfully manage their bankroll. They are gamblers who have never been addicted due to their strong self-discipline.

They won't be labeled successful if they become addicted to gambling. I do not know where are you getting into when you state about influencers. I think the discussion is not about any influencer or gambling streamer that influences their audience to play on the casino they are promoting. The discussion is about successful gamblers and a question about them being seen as addicts.

The answer to the question is dependent on the person. If the person has knowledge about gambling then they can differentiate the difference between the two but if the person knows nothing about gambling except that it is a sin, this person can't tell the difference between a successful gambler and an addicted gambler. So better to ignore this type of person who thinks they know enough and condemn every gambler as a gambling addict or worse being criminal.

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If you're successful in gambling but yet addicted, no one will see the negative side of it in you because you're ok with it and also have something to show for it, if you're unsuccessful in gambling and still addicted, you will be discouraged yourself and people will also get worried about how you're being addicted because that is definitely going to affect those around you and the things you do also, addition has many disadvantages than the advantages it has, it's better not to started on that at all because not every addicted gamblers are successful.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 28, 2023, 05:14:20 AM

Quote from: tusandii on August 28, 2023, 12:27:22 AM

Do you believe that successful gamblers can manage funds effectively and remain calm in every action?
Not all gamblers can do this, even a successful gambler, here I want to ask what kind of successful gambler do you mean?
Is it a gambling influencer or a gambler who manages to get lucky and win big so that they are said to be a successful gambler because no one can really have success as a gambler unless they are paid for every gamble that is done like an influencer.
First of all bullshit with the success of a gambler and what is clear is that a gambler must have a great chance of becoming an addict even though he is a gambler who has made quite a lot of wins but we also have to realize that of the many wins there is also a series of defeats that always makes him come into trouble. casino to recover the loss.

That is the most important thing to be cleared first, because we may have different understanding or different point of view about "successful". In general, successful is related to achievement or in other words it is about when someone reach the target of what have been planned in the beginning. In gambling, maybe the main purpose is to be rich so successful gamblers can be said as those who become rich from gambling. On the other side, some people may have different point of view. Others may think that successful in gambling is when they are not addicted to it, when they are able to manage the activities wisely, or when they can enjoy it without affecting other things negatively.

You're right because I think different people's got their different opinions about being successful in gambling, some people gamble for fun and entertainment while some do so to make extra cash either ways if one achieves their aim of doing so then they'll be considered as successful gamblers but left for me I feel making extra cash is the real reasons while most people gamble because one can still do it for fun and make money out of it.
To me I think it's does that are unsuccessful that easily become addicts, because most times they find it difficult to quit and would like to recover all the money they've lost and end up continuing gambling which is considered risky because one could lose out completely while trying to recover your lost, being successful alone means the gambler is able to apply the risk management in gambling that won't require the person to become addicted.

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Quote from: tusandii on August 28, 2023, 12:27:22 AM

Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

Do you believe that successful gamblers can manage funds effectively and remain calm in every action?
Not all gamblers can do this, even a successful gambler, here I want to ask what kind of successful gambler do you mean?
Is it a gambling influencer or a gambler who manages to get lucky and win big so that they are said to be a successful gambler because no one can really have success as a gambler unless they are paid for every gamble that is done like an influencer.
First of all bullshit with the success of a gambler and what is clear is that a gambler must have a great chance of becoming an addict even though he is a gambler who has made quite a lot of wins but we also have to realize that of the many wins there is also a series of defeats that always makes him come into trouble. casino to recover the loss.

That is the most important thing to be cleared first, because we may have different understanding or different point of view about "successful". In general, successful is related to achievement or in other words it is about when someone reach the target of what have been planned in the beginning. In gambling, maybe the main purpose is to be rich so successful gamblers can be said as those who become rich from gambling. On the other side, some people may have different point of view. Others may think that successful in gambling is when they are not addicted to it, when they are able to manage the activities wisely, or when they can enjoy it without affecting other things negatively.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:37:29 AM

A successful gambler, in my view, effectively manages their funds, remains composed under pressure, and avoids increasing their bets to recoup losses. Those who neglect proper financial management often display addictive behaviors and typically achieve less success.

With your opinion earlier, in my opinion it is not success as a gambling addict but rather leads to how addicts / gamblers play gambling properly and correctly. And I am of the opinion that a successful gambler is seen from the results of his game, he is always lucky or wins in gambling and makes a lot of money, while an addict is a person who likes to gamble and will not stop even so. the result is win or lose.

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