Topic: Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher - page 6. (Read 34677 times)
Remember bank robbers rob banks because that is where the money is. The government knows about all your Bitcoin.
That you think Bitcoin can help you (it will do the opposite, and I have avoided Bitcoin as much as possible), exhibits to me that you are not that clever. Perhaps you will catch on though.
There is no way to roll back such a situation that we have now. These cancers always end in chaos.
I said 'such as.' But yes, Bitcoin as it stands today could certainly be helpful in certain instances. And it still has the potential to make a ton of money for conversion into all kinds of things.
The world has had times of chaos before, or more accurately growing and shrinking pockets of chaos. That does not mean that it ends or that there is no future. (Remember, I'm not a religious freak who believes that I'm either going to be ruptured to Heaven or damned to some fiery hole in the ground.)
There have been many cases of cancer throughout history as well. One would have to be a fool to evaluate some of the things going on in both our government and in our society and not see some very unpleasant symptoms which match previous outbreaks.
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I am going to laughing my ass off when the federal tyrants confiscate everything you have and string you up by your balls.
I am serious. I think there is a reasonable chance of that occurring.
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I am going to laughing my ass off when the federal tyrants confiscate everything you have and string you up by your balls.
I am serious. I think there is a reasonable chance of that occurring.
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There is a very reasonable chance that such a thing could occur. The 'patriots' and the idiotic actions that they are now undertaking are not making such and event either more or less likely, but they are making it so that it will be much less possible that people like me will either be able to protect ourselves or have the tools to roll things back to a decent society when it really matters.
BTW, you don't figure that a clever guy like me wouldn't appreciate some of the features and flexibility that a crypto-currency such as Bitcoin might add to their portfolio do you?
That you think Bitcoin can help you (it will do the opposite, and I have avoided Bitcoin as much as possible), exhibits to me that you are not that clever. Perhaps you will catch on though.
There is no way to roll back such a situation that we have now. These cancers always end in chaos.
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I am going to laughing my ass off when the federal tyrants confiscate everything you have and string you up by your balls.
I am serious. I think there is a reasonable chance of that occurring.
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I am going to laughing my ass off when the federal tyrants confiscate everything you have and string you up by your balls.
I am serious. I think there is a reasonable chance of that occurring.
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There is a very reasonable chance that such a thing could occur. The 'patriots' and the idiotic actions that they are now undertaking are not making such and event either more or less likely, but they are making it so that it will be much less possible that people like me will either be able to protect ourselves or have the tools to roll things back to a decent society when it really matters.
BTW, you don't figure that a clever guy like me wouldn't appreciate some of the features and flexibility that a crypto-currency such as Bitcoin might add to their portfolio do you?
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You've only got one hope. Anonymous crypto-currency.
You've only got one hope. Anonymous crypto-currency.
Annoyneymint is nothing but a run-of-the-mill altcoin scammer. I'd bet a dime to a doughnut that he was trying to peddle some 'free energy' crap last year before he heard of Bitcoin and that's how he developed his portfolio of techno-gibberish.
You continue to stereotype me incorrectly. I have written extensively against free energy as it violates the Laws of Thermodynamics. I have also written extensively that PoS can't work correctly and defended PoW as not wasting energy and explained the science and economics that apply.
Back on the ranch:
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“We need to help the people of Blanding re-establish who is in control of the land,” said Bundy and his wife, Carol, in an email that was reported by E&E News. “This is your next stand. Will you be there to help them like you helped us?”
Translated: "For God's sake, get the hell out of here!"
It was clear that Ranger-Ryan and lard-ass Booda were wearing out their welcome some days ago. God only knows how many cows they've barbecued up in the last few weeks.
Trouble is, when you've got a bunch of heavily armed paranoid psychotics who are now also scared shitless due to the FBI investigations which they didn't have the mental capacity to predict, it could be a little bit tricky to get rid of them.
Hitching their wagon to these militia clowns was one more blunder in a long list which have relegated the Bundy spawn to the lower rungs of society.
Readers does he realize he is insane?
FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
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LAS VEGAS --
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Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
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Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
These guys really are no more developed then children.
Don't look at your mirror.
People are asking why the fed gov doesn't just put a lien on his cattle and assets instead of doing the swat raid bullshit which is what would normally happen.
Reason is now coming out. Since the feds failed to act in a timely manner after 1993, Bundy is likely covered under something called "Prescriptive Rights".
In other words, it's like squatter's rights. He has been using the land for enough time without incident by the feds that he now has rights to the land after all and BLM knows it.
Sorry, but this isn't going to work. Even if squatters rights were remotely applicable to this situation, the owners have pinged the perp regularly for trespass and unpaid debts. Bundy brags about not opening his mail. Could anyone be more of a child?
It's also funny to hear someone say that the roundup of trespass cattle on the owners land (never coming near Bundy's land) is somehow some outrageous and tyrannical affront while at the same time arguing that the owners should have done more earlier to defend their rights against the Bundy pilferage.
There are all kinds of deadbeats who squat for as long as possible in unoccupied homes since the housing bubble collapse. Their piteous whining when the cops finally run them out are exactly what we hear from Bundy and his minions. The only real difference between the Bundy clan and a low-life home squatter is that if the later kicked a cops k-9 he would be very lucky to survive the event and if he did, he'd spend the rest of the next few weeks wishing that all he got were a few tazer barbs.
I am going to laughing my ass off when the federal tyrants confiscate everything you have and string you up by your balls.
I am serious. I think there is a reasonable chance of that occurring.
Let me explain to you how I plan to effect that.
First there will be an anonymous crypto-currency which defunds the bastards. So they will have to eat their own to try to hang on to power. You are their own.
Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.
Thus you agree to let me cut off your penis. It is not your property. Your penis is a nomad that should roam and not be possessed nor owned.
Conflating property rights with collectivism is a signal you are losing your sanity.
A brain (if you have one) is not a property. It's a brain.
Demanding state-guaranteed rights is a collectivist behavior,whether your state is 'local' or global.
I never said anything about state guarantees for property rights. It is about the sovereign's ability to protect his rights, and that includes the fruit and food sources of your tribal jungle nirvana fantasy.
You should study tribal life. It was fraught with continuous war and kidnapping of women.
Bullshit. These are wellknown fairytales of civilized collectivists, distributed by Jared Diamond et al.
They don't know anything about anarchy, the times before the invention of patriarchy.
http://gerhardbott.de/das-buch/summary-in-english.html
Get your head out of your ass and read about the history Mindanao where I am now, and the tribes in the mountains of Luzon.
Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.
Thus you agree to let me cut off your penis. It is not your property. Your penis is a nomad that should roam and not be possessed nor owned.
Conflating property rights with collectivism is a signal you are losing your sanity.
A brain (if you have one) is not a property. It's a brain.
Demanding state-guaranteed rights is a collectivist behavior,whether your state is 'local' or global.
I never said anything about state guarantees for property rights. It is about the sovereign's ability to protect his rights, and that includes the fruit and food sources of your tribal jungle nirvana fantasy.
This is what anonymint, the notorious collectivist is telling us:
"When a government attacks its own people it becomes illegitimate. The people have a right to a representative government."
He wants to be governed and patronized. He thinks that there are legitimate governments out there. What a 'living' cartoon of an anarchist!
I've never written such a thing. I said people are rising up because they don't feel represented. I never said I prefer to replace it with a representative government. Instead I've written that democracy is always a power vacuum and thus always ends up where we are now.
I've said the smaller the entities of political organization, the less severe the power vacuum. At the tribal level within the human's Dunbar limit, corruption is well contained.
I'm aiming for a Knowledge Age, where each person is entirely free of governance and corporations.
My disagreement with you is you are conflating things. You think technology can only exist with governance and corporations. I think technology can exist and boost individual prosperity in an anarchistic manner.
You instead want everyone to remain a caveman without any technology. You better get rid of the hunting bow and discovery of fire too.
Militiamen move on from Bundy fight to next battle with BLM
Militiamen and woman camping on Cliven Bundy’s cattle ranch are packing up and heading to Utah where another protest against the Bureau of Land Management will happen Saturday.
Ryan Payne, a Montana resident who had been staying at the ranch for a month, said he drove eight hours to arrive in the eastern Utah town this morning. Three militia members from the ranch and a handful of people from a group called Citizens Action Network came to Utah, too, he said.
“This is where it’s happening Saturday,” he said.
They and others Saturday will be armed, he said, and ride ATVs into Recapture Canyon, an area the BLM declared off-limits to motorized vehicles in 2007. The ride is organized by San Juan County, Utah, Commissioner Phil Lyman.
Payne met Friday morning with the San Juan County, Utah, Sheriff Rick Eldridge. Afterward, he said he expects Saturday’s protest to be peaceful because Eldridge pledged to “protect us from the BLM.”
Payne characterized their discussion, saying Eldridge has contacted other sheriff’s departments who “stated that if he needed support to get the BLM out of there, they would help.”
Also in Utah this week, two people in a pick-up confronted a BLM wrangler on Interstate 15. They drove by wearing hoods and held a sign that said, “You need to die.” One of the men pointed a handgun at the wrangler, according to the Salt Lake Tribune.
At Recapture Canyon, federal officials aren’t planning to send armed federal agents to the Utah protest like they did with the Bundy ranch in April. The BLM’s show of force, including tasering one of Bundy’s sons, helped spark a heavily armed confrontation between federal agents and the Bundy militia on April 12.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/may/09/militiamen-move-bundy-fight-next-battle-blm/
People are asking why the fed gov doesn't just put a lien on his cattle and assets instead of doing the swat raid bullshit which is what would normally happen.
Reason is now coming out. Since the feds failed to act in a timely manner after 1993, Bundy is likely covered under something called "Prescriptive Rights".
In other words, it's like squatter's rights. He has been using the land for enough time without incident by the feds that he now has rights to the land after all and BLM knows it.
Sorry, but this isn't going to work. Even if squatters rights were remotely applicable to this situation, the owners have pinged the perp regularly for trespass and unpaid debts. Bundy brags about not opening his mail. Could anyone be more of a child?
It's also funny to hear someone say that the roundup of trespass cattle on the owners land (never coming near Bundy's land) is somehow some outrageous and tyrannical affront while at the same time arguing that the owners should have done more earlier to defend their rights against the Bundy pilferage.
There are all kinds of deadbeats who squat for as long as possible in unoccupied homes since the housing bubble collapse. Their piteous whining when the cops finally run them out are exactly what we hear from Bundy and his minions. The only real difference between the Bundy clan and a low-life home squatter is that if the later kicked a cops k-9 he would be very lucky to survive the event and if he did, he'd spend the rest of the next few weeks wishing that all he got were a few tazer barbs.
A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.
Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
People are asking why the fed gov doesn't just put a lien on his cattle and assets instead of doing the swat raid bullshit which is what would normally happen.Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
Reason is now coming out. Since the feds failed to act in a timely manner after 1993, Bundy is likely covered under something called "Prescriptive Rights".
In other words, it's like squatter's rights. He has been using the land for enough time without incident by the feds that he now has rights to the land after all and BLM knows it.
I personally hope this is the case but I won't be expecting the feds go let it go quite so easy. I hope I'm wrong and they do give up the fight, especially if they haven't done their due diligence and followed proper procedure.
Back to general Western US land use:
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Like the Bundy confrontation in Nevada, the illegal ATV ride through Recapture Canyon is intended to challenge federal authority over public lands.
Lyman, reports the Salt Lake Tribune, “says the planned ride aims to assert county jurisdiction in the face of federal ‘overreach.’”
The anti-government views of Cliven Bundy and Phil Lyman are also shared by a growing fringe of elected officials who want to sell-off or seize America’s public lands.
According to a new analysis from the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a network of right-wing elected officials, organizations, and prominent commentators share Mr. Bundy’s anti-government views and are advancing proposals to seize or sell-off federal public lands in eight Western states.
This network of so-called ‘Bundy’s Buddies’ includes the Koch-funded organization Americans for Prosperity, U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful Rand Paul (R-KY), Utah Congressman Rob Bishop (R-UT), and Utah State Representative Ken Ivory. Ivory leads the American Lands Council — a group dedicated to advocating for the seizure of federal lands.
A new website from the Center for Western Priorities, BundysBuddies.org, identifies additional elected officials who share the anti-government views of Bundy and Lyman.
Most Westerners reject the anti-government land seizure agenda of the so-called “Bundy’s Buddies.”
Lyman and the other “Bundy’s Buddies” who are working to sell-off or seize America’s public lands are far outside the mainstream of views in the American West.
Public opinion research commissioned by Colorado College in February, 2014, found that nearly three in four Westerners –- and 63 percent of voters in Utah — are less likely to vote for a candidate who wants to sell public lands to reduce the deficit. And more than nine out of ten Western voters view their national forests, monuments, wildlife areas, and public lands as integral to their state’s economy.
In an alert to its members titled “Our Public Lands Are Not for Sale,” Backcountry Hunters and Anglers this week called the land seizure movement a “radical cry” that “should alarm all Americans who cherish their freedom to hunt and fish…. Our federal land system and outdoor heritage is the envy of the world and depends on keeping federal public lands out of state ownership.”
Like the Bundy confrontation in Nevada, the illegal ATV ride through Recapture Canyon is intended to challenge federal authority over public lands.
Lyman, reports the Salt Lake Tribune, “says the planned ride aims to assert county jurisdiction in the face of federal ‘overreach.’”
The anti-government views of Cliven Bundy and Phil Lyman are also shared by a growing fringe of elected officials who want to sell-off or seize America’s public lands.
According to a new analysis from the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a network of right-wing elected officials, organizations, and prominent commentators share Mr. Bundy’s anti-government views and are advancing proposals to seize or sell-off federal public lands in eight Western states.
This network of so-called ‘Bundy’s Buddies’ includes the Koch-funded organization Americans for Prosperity, U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful Rand Paul (R-KY), Utah Congressman Rob Bishop (R-UT), and Utah State Representative Ken Ivory. Ivory leads the American Lands Council — a group dedicated to advocating for the seizure of federal lands.
A new website from the Center for Western Priorities, BundysBuddies.org, identifies additional elected officials who share the anti-government views of Bundy and Lyman.
Most Westerners reject the anti-government land seizure agenda of the so-called “Bundy’s Buddies.”
Lyman and the other “Bundy’s Buddies” who are working to sell-off or seize America’s public lands are far outside the mainstream of views in the American West.
Public opinion research commissioned by Colorado College in February, 2014, found that nearly three in four Westerners –- and 63 percent of voters in Utah — are less likely to vote for a candidate who wants to sell public lands to reduce the deficit. And more than nine out of ten Western voters view their national forests, monuments, wildlife areas, and public lands as integral to their state’s economy.
In an alert to its members titled “Our Public Lands Are Not for Sale,” Backcountry Hunters and Anglers this week called the land seizure movement a “radical cry” that “should alarm all Americans who cherish their freedom to hunt and fish…. Our federal land system and outdoor heritage is the envy of the world and depends on keeping federal public lands out of state ownership.”
Hunters and Anglers have a strong tenancy toward right-wing ideologies, but even they are not fooled by this latest corporate land-grab.
I myself am changing my mind on exactly how inappropriate it is for the high percentage of Fed owned land in the Western states actually is. If the percentages are brought down, I wish it to be done slowly and carefully and I definitely want to make sure that we have good visibility into the lobbying money that influences the process.
The Koch minions will gain only limited appeal via bullhorn idiocy, childish bullying, absurd victim role-playing, and even outright terrorism in some cases. I personally doubt that it will work, and I expect that the backlash will be significant and I hope it will result in people back-tracking to investigate existing Koch(-like) malfeasance in our governments.
That said, it is perfectly true that the Federal, state, and local governments just like any organization with power will tend to abuse it from time to time. The fact that there are a contingent of adversaries with some sway will act to at least make them pay some attention to alternative views policy decisions are being made and implemented. As despicable as the Bundyists are, they have a few legitimate concerns and complaints which should be considered.
Back on the ranch:
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“We need to help the people of Blanding re-establish who is in control of the land,” said Bundy and his wife, Carol, in an email that was reported by E&E News. “This is your next stand. Will you be there to help them like you helped us?”
Translated: "For God's sake, get the hell out of here!"
It was clear that Ranger-Ryan and lard-ass Booda were wearing out their welcome some days ago. God only knows how many cows they've barbecued up in the last few weeks.
Trouble is, when you've got a bunch of heavily armed paranoid psychotics who are now also scared shitless due to the FBI investigations which they didn't have the mental capacity to predict, it could be a little bit tricky to get rid of them.
Hitching their wagon to these militia clowns was one more blunder in a long list which have relegated the Bundy spawn to the lower rungs of society.
It is illegal to point loaded weapons at federal agents, and most people know what would happen, if a suspect pointed a gun at a Metro officer in the Las Vegas valley. The flip side is A-Ok. 
Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
I would certainly hope that they'd considered the ramifications of their actions before hand. Surely they must have known that challenging .gov thugs could lead to them being singled out and individually persecuted by cowardly federal parasites. Many are likely beyond caring at this point.
Quite frankly once you have a nobel peace prize winning ceo(lol) that pushes insanity like the NDAA and endless global warfare, murders Americans abroad without charges, and saddles America's children for generations to come with crippling debt, many will feel they've been backed into a corner and their only recourse is open defiance. Plainly the feds know all this and are preparing for it, if not actively provoking it.
FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
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LAS VEGAS --
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Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
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Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
These guys really are no more developed then children. This 'it wasn't me' thing is exactly what everyone hears from their 7-year-old.
It's also the epitome of cowardice given that they were prancing about bragging about how tough they were before it dawned on them that they are going to end up distinctly on the losing end of this one. Took them a while to figure it out as I predicted it would a few weeks ago.
Anyway, it should be pretty easy to track these militia clowns down. Just follow the damp yellow streaks heading out of the 'AO'.
FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute
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LAS VEGAS -- A dramatic development in the saga surrounding rancher Cliven Bundy, the FBI has entered the case.
The 8 News NOW I-Team has learned that FBI agents have started an investigation into the events surrounding a potentially deadly showdown one month ago.
It is one thing for Cliven Bundy and his supporters to square off against an assortment of Bureau of Land Management employees. It is quite another when the FBI enters the picture, and that is exactly what has happened.
The I-Team has confirmed that FBI agents have launched a formal investigation into alleged death threats, intimidation and possible weapons violations that culminated with a dangerous showdown on April 12, and the first people to be interviewed by FBI agents are Metro Police, starting with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie.
Federal employees suspended their roundup of Cliven Bundy's cattle, following a confrontation outside the BLM compound near Bunkerville. At the urging of Metro Police, Bundy's cattle were released, but BLM's new director announced the matter wasn't over and would be resolved, one way or another. We now know what that means.
Last week, the I-Team talked with Metro officers who intervened to protect the lives of federal employees from the 400 or so Bundy supporters and armed militia members. Officers told the I-Team they feared for their lives that day because of the assembled firepower, and because many in the crowd had pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die.
Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo, who was left in charge of the Metro contingent by Sheriff Doug Gillespie, told the I-Team that such alleged behavior would be the subject of a criminal investigation.
"The federal authorities are conducting an investigation and I am pretty confident it is going to go into the future," Lombardo said.
"(Would there be consequences for somebody there on video tape, on a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer, pointing a gun at a federal ranger?) Yes, there is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future," Lombardo said.
The I-Team has learned that Lombardo was interviewed by FBI agents earlier this week. The first person to be questioned by the FBI team was Lombardo's boss, Sheriff Gillespie.
The sheriff confirmed to 8 News NOW that he was asked about what he saw the day of the showdown, whether guns were pointed at metro officers. He declined to say what he said to the agents.
FBI agents also spoke to an entire squad of Metro officers, who were on the scene to act as a buffer between the crowd and the BLM. Bundy supporters have insisted in emails and calls to 8 News NOW that no one in the crowd pointed weapons at BLM or Metro, but officers told the I-Team that is exactly what they saw, that many with guns set up behind women and children.
"It is not a rumor. When we first got out there and made a left to divide I-15, that is all you saw. You saw kids and women and horses in the backdrop and then men with guns, laying on the ground, in the back of pickup trucks. We're going, 'wow, this would never happen in Las Vegas,' But it was there. That is not a rumor. It is reality and I saw it with my own eyes," Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins said.
Sgt. Jenkins has been interviewed by the FBI. A second squad is expected to be interviewed by week's end. The bureau does not confirm or deny the existence of any investigation but the I-Team have confirmed from multiple sources that a criminal investigation is underway.
It is illegal to point loaded weapons at federal agents, and most people know what would happen, if a suspect pointed a gun at a Metro officer in the Las Vegas valley. The flip side is A-Ok.
Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
The 8 News NOW I-Team has learned that FBI agents have started an investigation into the events surrounding a potentially deadly showdown one month ago.
It is one thing for Cliven Bundy and his supporters to square off against an assortment of Bureau of Land Management employees. It is quite another when the FBI enters the picture, and that is exactly what has happened.
The I-Team has confirmed that FBI agents have launched a formal investigation into alleged death threats, intimidation and possible weapons violations that culminated with a dangerous showdown on April 12, and the first people to be interviewed by FBI agents are Metro Police, starting with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie.
Federal employees suspended their roundup of Cliven Bundy's cattle, following a confrontation outside the BLM compound near Bunkerville. At the urging of Metro Police, Bundy's cattle were released, but BLM's new director announced the matter wasn't over and would be resolved, one way or another. We now know what that means.
Last week, the I-Team talked with Metro officers who intervened to protect the lives of federal employees from the 400 or so Bundy supporters and armed militia members. Officers told the I-Team they feared for their lives that day because of the assembled firepower, and because many in the crowd had pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die.
Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo, who was left in charge of the Metro contingent by Sheriff Doug Gillespie, told the I-Team that such alleged behavior would be the subject of a criminal investigation.
"The federal authorities are conducting an investigation and I am pretty confident it is going to go into the future," Lombardo said.
"(Would there be consequences for somebody there on video tape, on a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer, pointing a gun at a federal ranger?) Yes, there is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future," Lombardo said.
The I-Team has learned that Lombardo was interviewed by FBI agents earlier this week. The first person to be questioned by the FBI team was Lombardo's boss, Sheriff Gillespie.
The sheriff confirmed to 8 News NOW that he was asked about what he saw the day of the showdown, whether guns were pointed at metro officers. He declined to say what he said to the agents.
FBI agents also spoke to an entire squad of Metro officers, who were on the scene to act as a buffer between the crowd and the BLM. Bundy supporters have insisted in emails and calls to 8 News NOW that no one in the crowd pointed weapons at BLM or Metro, but officers told the I-Team that is exactly what they saw, that many with guns set up behind women and children.
"It is not a rumor. When we first got out there and made a left to divide I-15, that is all you saw. You saw kids and women and horses in the backdrop and then men with guns, laying on the ground, in the back of pickup trucks. We're going, 'wow, this would never happen in Las Vegas,' But it was there. That is not a rumor. It is reality and I saw it with my own eyes," Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins said.
Sgt. Jenkins has been interviewed by the FBI. A second squad is expected to be interviewed by week's end. The bureau does not confirm or deny the existence of any investigation but the I-Team have confirmed from multiple sources that a criminal investigation is underway.
It is illegal to point loaded weapons at federal agents, and most people know what would happen, if a suspect pointed a gun at a Metro officer in the Las Vegas valley. The flip side is A-Ok.
Bundy supporters have been adamant in saying no weapons were aimed at the feds or police, that the BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns.
From the sound of things, they will be given the chance to prove those allegations because the FBI is coming their way.
A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.
Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
People are asking why the fed gov doesn't just put a lien on his cattle and assets instead of doing the swat raid bullshit which is what would normally happen.
Reason is now coming out. Since the feds failed to act in a timely manner after 1993, Bundy is likely covered under something called "Prescriptive Rights".
In other words, it's like squatter's rights. He has been using the land for enough time without incident by the feds that he now has rights to the land after all and BLM knows it.
That would imply that the
A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.
Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
People are asking why the fed gov doesn't just put a lien on his cattle and assets instead of doing the swat raid bullshit which is what would normally happen.Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449087-Armed-Feds-Prepare-For-Showdown-With-Nevada-Cattle-Rancher
“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
I hope they do not kill him...
Reason is now coming out. Since the feds failed to act in a timely manner after 1993, Bundy is likely covered under something called "Prescriptive Rights".
In other words, it's like squatter's rights. He has been using the land for enough time without incident by the feds that he now has rights to the land after all and BLM knows it.
Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.
Thus you agree to let me cut off your penis. It is not your property. Your penis is a nomad that should roam and not be possessed nor owned.
Conflating property rights with collectivism is a signal you are losing your sanity.
A brain (if you have one) is not a property. It's a brain.
Demanding state-guaranteed rights is a collectivist behavior,whether your state is 'local' or global.
I never said anything about state guarantees for property rights. It is about the sovereign's ability to protect his rights, and that includes the fruit and food sources of your tribal jungle nirvana fantasy.
This is what anonymint, the notorious collectivist is telling us:
"When a government attacks its own people it becomes illegitimate. The people have a right to a representative government."
He wants to be governed and patronized. He thinks that there are legitimate governments out there. What a 'living' cartoon of an anarchist!
Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.
The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.
Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.
Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.
Thus you agree to let me cut off your penis. It is not your property. Your penis is a nomad that should roam and not be possessed nor owned.
Conflating property rights with collectivism is a signal you are losing your sanity.
A brain (if you have one) is not a property. It's a brain.
Demanding state-guaranteed rights is a collectivist behavior,whether your state is 'local' or global.
I never said anything about state guarantees for property rights. It is about the sovereign's ability to protect his rights, and that includes the fruit and food sources of your tribal jungle nirvana fantasy.
You should study tribal life. It was fraught with continuous war and kidnapping of women.
Bullshit. These are wellknown fairytales of civilized collectivists, distributed by Jared Diamond et al.
They don't know anything about anarchy, the times before the invention of patriarchy.
http://gerhardbott.de/das-buch/summary-in-english.html
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You've only got one hope. Anonymous crypto-currency.
You've only got one hope. Anonymous crypto-currency.
Annoyneymint is nothing but a run-of-the-mill altcoin scammer. I'd bet a dime to a doughnut that he was trying to peddle some 'free energy' crap last year before he heard of Bitcoin and that's how he developed his portfolio of techno-gibberish.
The trouble for scammers like Annoyneymint is that most of the suckers like Solarion have already been cleaned out by the last huckster. I suppose that some of them might have recouped a couple of bucks through their disability payments and other government welfare programs, but there is simply no big pay-day to be had for a grifter at this level. Remember, this is Bitcoin, and idiots tend to get ass-raped within the first few weeks of playing around with it.
we can't see this in news in China.Chnese gov is scared of this.
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