Topic: Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher - page 7. (Read 34677 times)

This is where the country of chattel is headed:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/09/why-the-republic-leadership-needs-to-go-it-is-political-civil-war/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/09/unions-want-to-tax-exchanges-to-pay-for-their-pensions/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/09/taxing-whatever-moves-a-political-tradition/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/08/bull-market-in-taxes/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/07/a-significant-change-in-trend/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/07/geopolitical-chaos/


You either find a way to do commerce that the govt can't steal or we go into a Dark Age.

Physical gold and silver are hoarding paradigms, and velocity-of-money (i.e. V in the M x V = P x Q ≈ GDP in the Quantity Theory of Money equation) plummets (V is already down -50% since 2007).

Revolution can't fix it. Political action can't fix it.

You've only got one hope. Anonymous crypto-currency.

It's mindless crap like tvbcof's lefty gibberish that ensures peaceful political activism goes nowhere. "It's all the fault of those damn bible thumping right wingers! Go team blue!" Like it makes a damn bit of difference which letter appears after the name of the collectivists in power at any given time. The march of tyranny doesn't miss a beat in the US whether it's shrub jr or barry in the oval office. Mindless twinkies like tvbcof are so busy spewing their rehearsed stereotypes that they will never understand the concept of controlled opposition and the cover it provides for the collectivists. Divide and oppress is the name of the game, but so many are blind as brainwashed bats.  

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Subject: Bottom line is political revolution can't work any more
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Fri, May 9, 2014 6:37 pm
To:      [email protected]
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I sure hope Martin Armstrong wises up and realizes the politics is already
lost to the majority, which is a global majority of chattel managed by a
well-hidden global elite. They are even manipulating the outcome in
Ukraine. Proof is if the USA or EU was intent on Ukraine's independence,
they would ship guns to put under every blade of grass so individuals
could defend themselves (see Hitler quote below). Instead, the IMF sends
them loans in order to further the world governance plan of consolidation.


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The Ukraine situation is all about global currency and global governance.
In the
New American link you'll see a description of IMF loans to the Ukraine as
being a
vehicle to expand the SDR system.    Brandon Smith of Alt-Market is the
second link.
Gatekeeper coverage of side topics such as military factories is akin to red
herrings.
Memes of US vs. Russia "escalating tension" and hysterical pieces on the
new cold
war and WWIII are bait for world government, as well as the previously
discussed
goals of creating a dollar devaluation scapegoat; distractions from economic
contraction, corruption, spying, and police state activities; and more
justification
for heavily funding the military industrial complex against assorted faux
boogeymen.
 Smoke and mirrors.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/18207-imf-bailout-for-ukraine-and-a-new-world-currency

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2126-false-eastwest-paradigm-hides-the-rise-of-global-currency

> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 06:18:29 -0400
> Subject: Putin needed East Ukraine because of 50 military factories?
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/why-putin-needs-east-and-south-ukraine-2014-5#ixzz317OqrXDd
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Excerpts from the following posts (click to read in context).

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6625901

"I consider my firearms to be useless against the government in anything
like our current social structure and any realistic balance of power on
the basis of armaments alone."

You have no fucking clue why our forefathers wanted the right to bear arms:

https://www.google.com/search?q=forefathers+reason+for+right+to+bear+arms

http://www.rense.com/general2/right.htm

And so how did Hitler overrun Europe as easily as a hot knife slicing
through butter:

"Tyrannical governments kill far more people than private criminals. The
Nazis conducted a massive search-and-seizure operation in 1933 to disarm
their political opponents, in 1938 to disarm the Jews, and when they
occupied Europe in 1939-41 they proclaimed the death penalty for anyone
who failed to surrender all guns within 24 hours."




https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6640975

Blah, blah, blah.

Bottom line is what I wrote upthread. The Federal goverment is now 75% of
the GDP in the USA (including regulation compliance, see my sources
upthread).

If we can't personally defend ourselves, we will end up like the UK (where
0.2% own 69% of the land) or worse perhaps like one of the countries
Hitler rolled though and put in concentration camps.

Any way, as I have admitted upthread, I think the time for physical
revolution has long since passed. The majority of the population are
chattel and deserve their fate.

That is why I work on anonymous crypto-currency for those who want to move
into a Knowledge Age economy which is unfettered by government. I discuss
this in great detail in the following thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-adoption-slowing-coinbase-bitpay-is-enough-to-make-bitcoin-a-fiat-557732

So I want to bow out of this discussion, because politics (e.g. tvbcof's
ad hominem attacks on Bundy to misdirect attention away from the Fed
govt's abusive growth) is such an enormous waste of breath and time. The
only things that ever make a difference are technology that enables
individual action. I point that out in the above linked thread.

Blah, blah, blah.

Bottom line is what I wrote upthread. The Federal goverment is now 75% of the GDP in the USA (including regulation compliance, see my sources upthread).

If we can't personally defend ourselves, we will end up like the UK (where 0.2% own 69% of the land) or worse perhaps like one of the countries Hitler rolled though and put in concentration camps.

Any way, as I have admitted upthread, I think the time for physical revolution has long since passed. The majority of the population are chattel and deserve their fate.

That is why I work on anonymous crypto-currency for those who want to move into a Knowledge Age economy which is unfettered by government. I discuss this in great detail in the following thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-adoption-slowing-coinbase-bitpay-is-enough-to-make-bitcoin-a-fiat-557732

So I want to bow out of this discussion, because politics (e.g. tvbcof's ad hominem attacks on Bundy to misdirect attention away from the Fed govt's abusive growth) is such an enormous waste of breath and time. The only things that ever make a difference are technology that enables individual action. I point that out in the above linked thread.

In a related display of tactical and strategic brilliance:

  http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/220675/bundy-ranch-supporters-to-atv-all-over-navajo-archaeological-site-because-freedom/

So:

Lemme take my $10k machine which I took out a mortgage on my double-wide and neglected to feed my kids in order to get and ride it into a box canyon where it will be easily captured.

While I'm at it, lemme alienate the Native Americans who are, traditionally, among the most prone to support idiotic right-wing ideologies out West.

I stand in awe at the genius of these folk!  It remains to be seen whether the Feds really have learned their lessons on how to deal with these mouth-breathers.

Forbes continues it's enjoyable propaganda hit piece:


Notwithstanding the somewhat misleading 'closest relatives' terminology which probably characterizes most of the local population, I don't doubt that story is factually accurate.  Else Forbes would be successfully sued.

This is exactly what I would expect to see in this situation.  And using 'sovereign citizen' principles mixed with a little dynastic entitlement, I could easily justify any one of these infractions.

Fact-check:

The BLM didn't show up 'at his house'.  They showed up on public lands under Federal jurisdiction about 7 miles from Bundy's melon-patch/junkyard.

The BLM were active exclusively on public lands they manage rounding up trespass cattle, some with Bundy brands and some without.  And maybe little bit of the right-of-way for federal, state, and county roads.

The BLM showed up with some fire-power which, obviously, was not unwarranted given the threats to their operations.  They were unprepared to employ the fire-power they brought given that their brave and noble adversaries were using women and children as human shields.  This is a good thing in my opinion.  The Feds know they did wrong in the Weaver incident (even if the general population was fooled by the media) and seem to have learned their lesson.  I, for one, hope that this trend continues.

And the 200 'jackbooted thugs' is absurd hyperbole as well (very common around these parts.)  There may or may not have been 200 personnel in total, but a vastly fewer number were directly involved with security.  It pisses me off that my tax dollars are being wasted in this manner.  That waste is directly attributable to deadbeat welfare rancher Cliven Bundy -n- kin and their unlawful operations and criminal actions going back 20 years.

So far the Feds have not set foot on any property that Bundy owns.  That's likely to change at some point however.  Tic-toc, tic-toc...

Nearly everything is illegal at this point. The things that aren't soon will be. The fed scumbags are fine pointing sniper rifles, but aiming at them is a skeery crime. Always two sets of rules.

http://mises.org/daily/5759/Decriminalize-the-Average-Man

This was back in 2011, and the overactive congress critters pass thousands of useless laws a year.

It is Illegal to point your weapon at federal agents... ooooh how far we have fallen since the greatness that was America.

It's not luck.  The founders of this country and a decent enough percentage of the policy makers since were keenly aware of the issues you mention.  They knew all about the issues that crop up when nobility absorbs most of the land into their own divine fiefdoms.  Various policies over the years have tried to avoid this.  For instance, the homestead policy of the West where a person had to 'prove up' in order to take title which took time, capital, and dedication and resulted in only 160 acres of land.  Land speculation has been a source of extreme interest in the Western U.S. since the early days.  The government and the population sensed the dangers and part of the reason that there is so much public land in our Western states is a fallout from the policies of trying to avoid the European experience.

The UK is out in front on technology and infrastructure to monitor and manage the population, and I've no doubt that this is in part because it is easy for resentment to build when property ownership are so disproportionate.  Especially when the large owners are subsidized by the masses which, for political reasons, is usually what happens.  It's an ominous sign that the U.S. is catching up quickly.  And also an interesting observation that China spends more of their defense budget on internal security and external.  All three nations have a high GINI coefficient (which is related to but not equivalent to property title.)

Back here in the U.S., certain groups have been chaffing for a long time under policies which thwart their dreams.  One groups has been the Mormons (some) who literally believe in this divine right principle.  Another are people who have the capital and see a utility in using the other groups as pawns (e.g., the Koch bros.)

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Back to the Bundy nobility experience, I note that bovids (American Bison) were not native to either the Arizona strip where Bundyville is, or the lower reaches of the Virgin valley where Bunkerville is even though they found most of the rest of North America habitable.  The Bundy tribe failed in AZ and failed in NV for the same basic reasons...they are trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.  And creating a lot of damage to a sensitive environment which cannot recover quickly in the process.  It doesn't matter how many episodes of 'Bonanza' Cliven may have watched, it just won't work there.

With respect to 'communism', I'll again call attention to the legacy of Bunkerville:


  "Hey guys!  I've got a great idea;  You work for me for free and I'll fuck your daughter!"

How such a construct failed is baffling to me as a known commie.  That it worked for even a few years is enlightening about the deficits that existed in the original gene pool however.

Retaliation  from the FBI:

FBI investigates Bundy ranch supporters

http://rt.com/usa/157924-fbi-investigates-bundy-ranch-supporters

AnonyMint is bang on.. BANG ON.

Shame the average American..actually any person in a 1st world country.. is scared to death of their own shadow.

Granted, he may be wrong, but don't show up at his house with over 200 jack booted thugs, snipers and heavy equipment. Ask the top law enforcement officer in the county (Sheriff) for assistance to serve and carry out the court order.

He may not be right, but the actions of the BLM were so over the top as to be inexcusable considering the circumstances.

The vast majority of peasants in the US don't own "their" land either, they just think they do.

Slightly at a tangent to the OP - but I just wanted to give a UK perspective on land ownership.

Over here we have no such thing as a Bill of Rights to worry about - and so over here we can happily   live in a country where 0.6 per cent of the British people own 69 per cent of the land on which we live - and they are mostly the same families who owned it in the 19th century. Thats right, the UK is owned, not by the hard working populace therein (who have achieved their ownership of land/property through hard work being rewarded in a meritocracy), but by the likes of the multi-billionaire Duke of Westminster - who has done nothing to earn his wealth - and is entitled to £9.2m in subsidies each year from us, the supplicant taxpayer  

  The UK is owned, for the large part, by Aristocrats. Where's the justice in that ? It would seem that the injustices of the world aren't just down to fractional reserve banking after all.

  So you should think yourself lucky over the pond that the land you live on isn't owned by families proclaiming a Divine Right argument - though the Bundy clan might as well be, from where I'm sat.
  

I never said anything about state guarantees for property rights. It is about the sovereign's ability to protect his rights, and that includes the fruit and food sources of your tribal jungle nirvana fantasy.

You should study tribal life. It was fraught with continuous war and kidnapping of women.

A brain (if you have one) is not a property. It's a brain.
Demanding state-guaranteed rights is a collectivist behavior,whether your state is 'local' or global.

You're just wasting your time AnonyMint. The guy is a mindless .gov droid. If the BATF told him to ram his weapon up his ass he'd probably ask how far. He's the type of neanderthal that narcs on his countrymen to get an extra helping of beans at camp FEMA.

Jesus Holy Christ but you are a stupid fucker!

The 'people' have wholly lost the 'arms race' and that's not going to turn around no matter what the founders may or may not have thought about it.  I specifically and clearly stated that I'm talking about tactical issues and you forgot to even trim that part.

I was trying to avoid ever posting in this thread again, but someone PM'ed me to tell me to unignore and read this shocking shit.


You have no fucking clue why our forefathers wanted the right to bear arms:

https://www.google.com/search?q=forefathers+reason+for+right+to+bear+arms

http://www.rense.com/general2/right.htm


And so how did Hitler overrun Europe as easily as a hot knife slicing through butter:




Educate your pitifully ignorant self on the current applicable law in the USA:




http://www.catb.org/esr/fortunes/rkba.html