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newbie
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February 01, 2018, 11:05:36 PM
True that my brothers, maybe I got spoiled a bit......I forgot the S7 days lol, but the landscape drastically changed, I fear we might be in an ASIC arms race 2.0. thats the onlything I worry about

Hi Thetaj,

What would be wrong with ASIC 2.0 race?

More innovation is always welcome.  We have an effective monopoly today, and that's never good for business.
full member
Activity: 402
Merit: 116
February 01, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
Here is an update for packaging for the 821; and presumably the entire 8 series.

Miners will now ship with a 5 pin cable; No AUC included.

The controllers will ship out with 4 AUC's.

This is their plan to deal with the supply issues of AUC's; so it will make sense for people to order 1 of the Canaan controllers. This probably also explains the price increase there was on controllers.

I hope the old AUCs work with the new 8 series or I'm screwed
legendary
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February 01, 2018, 06:22:16 AM
Here is an update for packaging for the 821; and presumably the entire 8 series.

Miners will now ship with a 5 pin cable; No AUC included.

The controllers will ship out with 4 AUC's.

This is their plan to deal with the supply issues of AUC's; so it will make sense for people to order 1 of the Canaan controllers. This probably also explains the price increase there was on controllers.
full member
Activity: 158
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January 30, 2018, 10:21:12 AM
legendary
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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
January 29, 2018, 06:32:54 PM
So a question... Anyone thought whether it will be possible to run an 821 on the same PSU that a 741 was running on... One of the HP server PSU's and DPS-1200-FB-1A - on 240v?  I think on paper the 741 and 821 draw the same wattage don't they?  If so, then it should be feasible.
We know more about that after we have seen a actual power consumption measurement.

I'm planning to power A821 first with Sorcerer psu (Canaan custom psu) and then with DPS-1200MB-1 1400W server psu and then compare those power consumption measurement results.


member
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January 29, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
So a question... Anyone thought whether it will be possible to run an 821 on the same PSU that a 741 was running on... One of the HP server PSU's and DPS-1200-FB-1A - on 240v?  I think on paper the 741 and 821 draw the same wattage don't they?  If so, then it should be feasible.
hero member
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January 29, 2018, 03:21:44 PM
The reason Canaan Creative has not been able to keep up with bitmain when they were the company that created the first asic is their pricing. It has never been competitive, and looks like it never will be if the prices listed in this thread are true. It really too bad because they do have the best product on the market.
newbie
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January 29, 2018, 02:14:35 PM

3800€ a8 alone , pre order at europe reseller......So 18000€ on ebay ?  Smiley
not really, it's 2880 EUR for miner alone.


Euh....Have you just checked ? Because I pretty sure it was that price ( 3800 ) , on crtpt...verse . Just checked now and it true that it's 2880€.
Or I did a mistake. We'll never know so I'm innocent !
newbie
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January 29, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Your theory that Canaan would lower prices to $2000 per A821 with bitcoin pricing hovering around 11K just went out the window. They just raised their bulk pricing drastically. The A821 by itself is $3150 at bulk pricing. Which is going to take over a year to breakeven at $0.10/kWh and if Bitcoin remains in a bear market, you can forget about breaking even. Most people don't or can't factor in the declining revenue stream as difficulty goes up weekly and more miners come online. That 1 Year ROI keeps stretching month by month so that 1 year is no longer 1 year a month later!
hero member
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January 29, 2018, 12:50:47 PM

3800€ a8 alone , pre order at europe reseller......So 18000€ on ebay ?  Smiley
not really, it's 2880 EUR for miner alone.
newbie
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January 29, 2018, 12:32:34 PM

3800€ a8 alone , pre order at europe reseller......So 18000€ on ebay ?  Smiley
legendary
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January 25, 2018, 10:28:50 AM
factory pricing

 The price of A821 is $2200 USD per unit for March.
 The price of PSU(1800W 93%) is $110 USD per unit.
 
The current spot price of A821 is $3500.00 USD per unit.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think with $2000 USD price tag they would gather more attention. But who cares , they are going to sell off anyway.

Market needs 3 competitors, and we can barely see 2 now.

There are currently 4 companies delivering miners. All that happened is prices rose with BTC pricing and the fact that they can't keep them in stock.

With Avalon the price had always been a little higher; call it the quality/longevity premium.
newbie
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January 25, 2018, 10:21:17 AM
factory pricing

 The price of A821 is $2200 USD per unit for March.
 The price of PSU(1800W 93%) is $110 USD per unit.
 
The current spot price of A821 is $3500.00 USD per unit.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think with $2000 USD price tag they would gather more attention. But who cares , they are going to sell off anyway.

Market needs 3 competitors, and we can barely see 2 now.
full member
Activity: 402
Merit: 116
January 25, 2018, 01:48:11 AM
True that my brothers, maybe I got spoiled a bit......I forgot the S7 days lol, but the landscape drastically changed, I fear we might be in an ASIC arms race 2.0. thats the onlything I worry about
jr. member
Activity: 53
Merit: 1
January 24, 2018, 08:35:35 PM
(1) they're not shipping yet
(2) there is no official price on them yet.
(3) NOBODY is "snatching up these 821s" because they're NOT AVAILABLE YET.


 Their *SPECULATED* price is triple the 741 based on the price spike Bitcoin had a couple weeks back and the resulting Bitmain S9 pricing on THEIR last batch.

 If Bitcoin stays around it's current price, the 821 likely will end up selling close to $2000.

 They can get away with higher pricing than the S9 even when the performance is lower due to the far lower FAILURE rate they have compared to the S9.



Actually there is a price of 2899$ for march batch. Im in one of the minerwarez 741 batches from december they turned our order into a 821 order

And they are shipping in february a batch for 3500$

ROI is appalling if Bitcoin goes into a 6month - 1 year bear market for sure. But I guess I'm willing to brave that storm.........unless I get hit by a literal storm, then I'm fucked lol
ROI used to be a long process before Bitcoin started going up in price, people have been spoiled by fast returns and profits recently with not only alts but also BTC. So as long as you keep mining on you'll be fine.

Totally agree, ROI was in 10 12 months before and even that i great. What business pays itself in 1 year? NONE
legendary
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Bitcoin FTW!
January 24, 2018, 04:40:35 PM
ROI is appalling if Bitcoin goes into a 6month - 1 year bear market for sure. But I guess I'm willing to brave that storm.........unless I get hit by a literal storm, then I'm fucked lol
ROI used to be a long process before Bitcoin started going up in price, people have been spoiled by fast returns and profits recently with not only alts but also BTC. So as long as you keep mining on you'll be fine.
full member
Activity: 402
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January 24, 2018, 03:27:34 PM
ROI is appalling if Bitcoin goes into a 6month - 1 year bear market for sure. But I guess I'm willing to brave that storm.........unless I get hit by a literal storm, then I'm fucked lol
legendary
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January 23, 2018, 10:42:37 PM
(1) they're not shipping yet
(2) there is no official price on them yet.
(3) NOBODY is "snatching up these 821s" because they're NOT AVAILABLE YET.


 Their *SPECULATED* price is triple the 741 based on the price spike Bitcoin had a couple weeks back and the resulting Bitmain S9 pricing on THEIR last batch.

 If Bitcoin stays around it's current price, the 821 likely will end up selling close to $2000.

 They can get away with higher pricing than the S9 even when the performance is lower due to the far lower FAILURE rate they have compared to the S9.



They haven't shipped out yet from Canaan, but they are available. I think they are on schedule for the pre-order shipping from Blokforge of February 7th; based on the last mass email from Canaan. These units were priced at a "premium" due to the fact that I think there were only 200 available for the early ship date, half with crypto universe and the other half with Blokforge.

The price they originally charged I'm sure had everything to do with capitalizing on the surge in price of BTC, I'm not shocked Canaan went that route, but it was a far cry from the estimated 200$/TH they were estimating back in November.

If the current price of BTC stays relatively the same I do think that Canaan will reduce the price point to be closer to their original estimates, but the price will be subject to distributor mark ups.

As for the snatching up, people did slow their roll a little at least that's what I saw with stock actually sitting out a while on the Blokforge site. Probably due to the high price tag and the drop in BTC value. They are still selling out though, and the nice thing right now is Blokforge posts in their thread for Forum members when they have extra available from orders that fall through.
alh
legendary
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Merit: 1050
January 23, 2018, 07:50:11 PM
Latest posted price is $2899 for a single A821 on the Blokforge website. Is somebody expecting that to actually come down within a week? This is down from the earlier $3600 price, but I don't see anything to suggest $2000 at all.
member
Activity: 658
Merit: 21
4 s9's 2 821's
January 23, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
(1) they're not shipping yet
(2) there is no official price on them yet.
(3) NOBODY is "snatching up these 821s" because they're NOT AVAILABLE YET.


 Their *SPECULATED* price is triple the 741 based on the price spike Bitcoin had a couple weeks back and the resulting Bitmain S9 pricing on THEIR last batch.

 If Bitcoin stays around it's current price, the 821 likely will end up selling close to $2000.

 They can get away with higher pricing than the S9 even when the performance is lower due to the far lower FAILURE rate they have compared to the S9.



What he said. 
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