Topic: Avalon batch [2] countdown! - page 39. (Read 141544 times)
How can I contact Avalon? I'm moving in a few weeks and I am not sure my ordered batch3 miner will get here in time.
Exactly my thought. This is a man that makes other people rich. Appreciate that and let us give him the time to make it happen.
Actually, batch 2 and 3 roi will be negative. I fail to see how they make other people rich. Themselves, maybe, with our money.It's impossible for batch 2 to have a negative roi!
Really simple math! With the difficulty going up around 30% a month, let's see... your 75 btc Avalon is likely to produce some 3btc/day on average in June so 3*30=90btc. That's your return plus 15 btc positive in one month! It really doesn't take a genius! What's wrong with you?
Great News! Received DHL tracking for my Feb 17th order. Bad News! I have heard nothing about my Feb 3rd order's. Feb 17th order I did receive an order number for. Feb 3rd is the Walletbit purchase issue.
I am not sure how they are going to let people know about Walletbit orders. DHL tracking and all since they where never entered into the Avalon Store.
Yes I did open a support ticket on both Feb 3rd orders on Feb 4th. However, I received no reply.
All my orders where purchased as Guest.
I am not sure how they are going to let people know about Walletbit orders. DHL tracking and all since they where never entered into the Avalon Store.
Yes I did open a support ticket on both Feb 3rd orders on Feb 4th. However, I received no reply.
All my orders where purchased as Guest.
Nice! That's great news. Btw -- sweet bike, what is that?
Happy to hear you will receive the one of 17 th.
My 2 avalons was ordered 2 feb with wallet bit prob...has been confirmed in past that it was ok...we are in June and no News. Now I'm seeing people who ordered 15 days after me get delivered... I feel lucky I got a reply 4 feb by avalon and walletbit...but since...
As someone said we have no way to compaint, we can just wait... and cry
Just gonna leave this here before I go to sleep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BWD3GRgr02E#t=23s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BWD3GRgr02E#t=23s
All i can say is grats and happy mining! Send me a PM when your Batch #2.1 and #2.2 get you your so desired roi.
You can be sure I'll post pictures and report on the progress ;-)
So far, the bet on Batch #1 has been a success, that will largely compensate for any loss of future batches (if any).
But let's not forget that we are in here mostly to add value (security) to the bitcoin network to to secure it, and in order to keep hosting affordable in the future for everybody, the break even calculations after hosting and such are an important factor.
After having mined with CPU, GPU, FPGA and now ASIC, I can only tell that any projections you make are assumptions and pose a maximum level, but due to real life events, the return is always lower, up to a point that for some people mine at a loss. Mining at a loss, while noble as it is, is in a way subsidizing Bitcoin, but it's not affordable in the long run.
ASICs have lowered the price of mining a lot and will put it into the hands of many more, once prices will drop considerably
Edit: SolarSilver i don't know how you got 2.3 BTC per day. My calculator tells me 2.81 BTC per day right now (there are some Batch #2 units hashing as we speak). At 13.5 mil diff you get 2.5 BTC per day. I get 2.3 BTC per day at 14.5 mil diff.
Well, as the owner of 3 Avalons batch #1 that are running in various configurations I just looked at
the real life stats and that is how much 1 Avalon running @ 71 GH/s brought in yesterday.
This is real life, with network delays, pool variance and DDOS, full moon, the whole works.
Not your theoretical hypothetical model.
As for the prices of the Batch #2.1 and Batch #2.2, I have several units of each on order. I also have a
batch #3 unit on order.
No guesswork, but real figures.
All i can say is grats and happy mining! Send me a PM when your Batch #2.1 and #2.2 get you your so desired roi.
Edit: SolarSilver i don't know how you got 2.3 BTC per day. My calculator tells me 2.81 BTC per day right now (there are some Batch #2 units hashing as we speak). At 13.5 mil diff you get 2.5 BTC per day. I get 2.3 BTC per day at 14.5 mil diff.
Well, as the owner of 3 Avalons batch #1 that are running in various configurations I just looked at
the real life stats and that is how much 1 Avalon running @ 71 GH/s brought in yesterday.
This is real life, with network delays, pool variance and DDOS, full moon, the whole works.
Not your theoretical hypothetical model.
As for the prices of the Batch #2.1 and Batch #2.2, I have several units of each on order. I also have a
batch #3 unit on order.
No guesswork, but real figures.
I'll happily pay any Batch 2 owner their BTC cost + 10 BTC + shipping cost for their unit. I tried repeatedly to get a Batch 2 and failed (either thanks to Walletbit's failures or having to be at work). Eventually had to settle for Batch 3.
Yes the difficulty will be much higher than what was promised but it still supports the BTC network. Look at the other options - pricey ASICMiner or BFL backlog.
Yes the difficulty will be much higher than what was promised but it still supports the BTC network. Look at the other options - pricey ASICMiner or BFL backlog.
To all people complaining Batch #2 will have a negative roi remember that you always have the option of selling it for more than 10k$. This way you will instantly get your money back then you can go buy some BFL shit or go and spend them on hookers in order to be more relaxed.But IMO Batch #2 will get a positive roi very fast.
Edit: SolarSilver i don't know how you got 2.3 BTC per day. My calculator tells me 2.81 BTC per day right now (there are some Batch #2 units hashing as we speak). At 13.5 mil diff you get 2.5 BTC per day. I get 2.3 BTC per day at 14.5 mil diff.
Edit: SolarSilver i don't know how you got 2.3 BTC per day. My calculator tells me 2.81 BTC per day right now (there are some Batch #2 units hashing as we speak). At 13.5 mil diff you get 2.5 BTC per day. I get 2.3 BTC per day at 14.5 mil diff.
Batch 2 was exactly 1500$! Batch 3 was 75 btc!
Please stop counting in USD... We all count in BTC as we invested BTC.
If you invested BTC 76.2 for a batch #2 machine, you need to be able to generate those BTC 76.2 back,
otherwise you don't break even.
It does not matter what the underlying USD exchange rate is, unless for those who need to pay their electricity bills
If you want to see the exact prices people paid for each batch, check my earlier post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1615368
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Right now you can mine ~2.8 bitcoins per day with a Batch 2 Avalon. Now you tell me how will the roi be negative please.
With more and more ASIC coming online, those 2.8 BTC /day will dwindle to fractions of that, thus making it harder and harder to catch up with those BTC 76.2
See the trend?
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC. Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
Batch two first day was 75 bitcoin, the bitcoin was 20 USD at the time. Walletbit presented a failure system, they postponed for two weeks, price raised a little bit, people from second wave orders pay less bitcoin. And now guess what? I read somewhere, first come first serve but buyers from the first day are not getting the machines first,
Anyway, I see many Feb 3 and Feb 17 orders delivered, but not many Feb 2/Feb 18. Why is that? I remember that during the 17 of Feb there where 5 units that you could order from the shop, to test it I suppose...
Batch 2 was exactly 1500$! Batch 3 was 75 btc!
Please stop counting in USD... We all count in BTC as we invested BTC.
If you invested BTC 76.2 for a batch #2 machine, you need to be able to generate those BTC 76.2 back,
otherwise you don't break even.
It does not matter what the underlying USD exchange rate is, unless for those who need to pay their electricity bills
If you want to see the exact prices people paid for each batch, check my earlier post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1615368
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Right now you can mine ~2.8 bitcoins per day with a Batch 2 Avalon. Now you tell me how will the roi be negative please.
With more and more ASIC coming online, those 2.8 BTC /day will dwindle to fractions of that, thus making it harder and harder to catch up with those BTC 76.2
See the trend?
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC. Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
Batch two first day was 75 bitcoin, the bitcoin was 20 USD at the time. Walletbit presented a failure system, they postponed for two weeks, price raised a little bit, people from second wave orders pay less bitcoin. And now guess what? I read somewhere, first come first serve but buyers from the first day are not getting the machines first,
Batch 2 was exactly 1500$! Batch 3 was 75 btc!
Please stop counting in USD... We all count in BTC as we invested BTC.
If you invested BTC 76.2 for a batch #2 machine, you need to be able to generate those BTC 76.2 back,
otherwise you don't break even.
It does not matter what the underlying USD exchange rate is, unless for those who need to pay their electricity bills
If you want to see the exact prices people paid for each batch, check my earlier post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1615368
Quote
Right now you can mine ~2.8 bitcoins per day with a Batch 2 Avalon. Now you tell me how will the roi be negative please.
With more and more ASIC coming online, those 2.8 BTC /day will dwindle to fractions of that, thus making it harder and harder to catch up with those BTC 76.2
See the trend?
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC. Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
Batch 2 was paid 75 btc. Care to share your genius?
Grab your calculator, and put it in your trash !
Let's see one of the worst scenarios:
75 BTC on FEBR-18 was x $27 = i.e. $2025
Lets say we will not see our batch #2 ASIC's for another 2 month, and by 1 AUG difficulty will rose more then double, to the whopping 30 mln
Then, say your electricity is the most expensive of all of us, $0.25 /kwh
Finally, lets assume the terribly bad Profitability decline per year - 0.2 (would you believe this???)
Want see what we got?
after 6 month of mining >>> http://i.imgur.com/eZSjr1i.png& Still FAR FAR from negative ROI 's
Unless the http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ calculator is a junk as well.
But I love it !
If you paid through walletbit(the only available option) on Feb 18th, Avalon charged your account exactly $1,500.00 USD, meaning 56 BTC (the exact walue of $1,500.00 USD on feb 18th) was transferred from your account to Avalon.
lulz at the baseless speculating
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC.
Obviously you were not one of the early birds that jumped as lemmings on the first wave of batch #2 orders
You also did not have to deal with Walletbit at their shiny best...
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Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
First of all, you are only getting today BTC 2.3 per machine. The BTC 2.8 you quote is obsolete due to rising difficulty. The next jump is projected to be 9%. Up.
The revenue curve you'll get will drop down to the X-axis really quick if ASICminer keeps shipping blades and USB sticks. Perhaps even flatter if BFL gets their act together. And by July/August a lot of new (cloned) open source projects will hit the road making this a very interesting summer
If you integrate the accumulated BTC under that curve, you must realize that even if you mine until eternity, the total surface is limited and if you paid too much BTC up front, you will never be able to recoup your investment. Even after a year. Or longer.
The later you start plotting your curve (earning BTC), the less likely you'll be able to ever earn back your investment.
Do you even run a real business?
First I thought perhaps they(Avalon) decided to simply combine batches 2 & 3. IOW perhaps I screwed myself by ordering from batch 3 as well and they'll ship together, but according to the link HELP.org posted he too ordered from batch 3. Now I think they just toss darts at a board or draw lots to determine who to ship to and when.
Wait what? Are you saying they are mixing batch 3s with 2s? I wish this is true, as I am b3, but I am pretty sure batch 3 is shipping after 2 is complete. Yifu said this in the video that was posted.
I'm merely trying to find some pattern to their selection of "chosen people" to ship products to first and when. As batch 2 has been delayed to the point that it's overlapping batch 3's original shipping date and shipping from China to the rest of the globe is expensive it's not unreasonable to think they'd try to save time and money by combining orders. As I said, this does not seem to be the case, and I still have no idea whatsoever what they're looking at when they determine who to ship to and when.
If they are shipping problematic (aka walletbit) orders late, maybe they will start shipping batch 3 before those. Sucks for those customers but it makes sense from a production/shipping standpoint if you have units to ship but each one takes forever to figure out payment details. As the car dealers say, you gotta move the metal.
The problem is that both batch 2.1 and batch 3 customers paid significantly more(in terms of BTC) for their Avalons than batch 2.2 customers did. This situation exists only because walletbit(allegedly a payment processor) was unable to process payments with any degree of success on Feb 2 & 3. Avalon has had months to sort out these problems but has apparently chosen not to do so.
First I thought perhaps they(Avalon) decided to simply combine batches 2 & 3. IOW perhaps I screwed myself by ordering from batch 3 as well and they'll ship together, but according to the link HELP.org posted he too ordered from batch 3. Now I think they just toss darts at a board or draw lots to determine who to ship to and when.
Wait what? Are you saying they are mixing batch 3s with 2s? I wish this is true, as I am b3, but I am pretty sure batch 3 is shipping after 2 is complete. Yifu said this in the video that was posted.
I'm merely trying to find some pattern to their selection of "chosen people" to ship products to first and when. As batch 2 has been delayed to the point that it's overlapping batch 3's original shipping date and shipping from China to the rest of the globe is expensive it's not unreasonable to think they'd try to save time and money by combining orders. As I said, this does not seem to be the case, and I still have no idea whatsoever what they're looking at when they determine who to ship to and when.
I guess I will start checking my store account soon then. If they are shipping problematic (aka walletbit) orders late, maybe they will start shipping batch 3 before those. Sucks for those customers but it makes sense from a production/shipping standpoint if you have units to ship but each one takes forever to figure out payment details. As the car dealers say, you gotta move the metal.
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC. Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
Batch 2.1, February 2/3 was around 76.5 BTCBatch 2.2, February 18 was around 56.8 BTC
Batch 2 was exactly 1500$! Batch 3 was 75 btc!
Please stop counting in USD... We all count in BTC as we invested BTC.
If you invested BTC 76.2 for a batch #2 machine, you need to be able to generate those BTC 76.2 back,
otherwise you don't break even.
It does not matter what the underlying USD exchange rate is, unless for those who need to pay their electricity bills
If you want to see the exact prices people paid for each batch, check my earlier post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1615368
Quote
Right now you can mine ~2.8 bitcoins per day with a Batch 2 Avalon. Now you tell me how will the roi be negative please.
With more and more ASIC coming online, those 2.8 BTC /day will dwindle to fractions of that, thus making it harder and harder to catch up with those BTC 76.2
See the trend?
But you didn't invest 76.2 BTC for a batch #2!!! Why do you people keep saying that? You invested around 55 BTC. Considering that you mine ~2.8 BTC per day then you need less than one month to breakeven. Even at 75 BTC you still breakeven in one month. So why are we talking about getting a roi of 100% in less than 1 year (like a real business)
First I thought perhaps they(Avalon) decided to simply combine batches 2 & 3. IOW perhaps I screwed myself by ordering from batch 3 as well and they'll ship together, but according to the link HELP.org posted he too ordered from batch 3. Now I think they just toss darts at a board or draw lots to determine who to ship to and when.
Wait what? Are you saying they are mixing batch 3s with 2s? I wish this is true, as I am b3, but I am pretty sure batch 3 is shipping after 2 is complete. Yifu said this in the video that was posted.
I'm merely trying to find some pattern to their selection of "chosen people" to ship products to first and when. As batch 2 has been delayed to the point that it's overlapping batch 3's original shipping date and shipping from China to the rest of the globe is expensive it's not unreasonable to think they'd try to save time and money by combining orders. As I said, this does not seem to be the case, and I still have no idea whatsoever what they're looking at when they determine who to ship to and when.
First I thought perhaps they(Avalon) decided to simply combine batches 2 & 3. IOW perhaps I screwed myself by ordering from batch 3 as well and they'll ship together, but according to the link HELP.org posted he too ordered from batch 3. Now I think they just toss darts at a board or draw lots to determine who to ship to and when.
Wait what? Are you saying they are mixing batch 3s with 2s? I wish this is true, as I am b3, but I am pretty sure batch 3 is shipping after 2 is complete. Yifu said this in the video that was posted.
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