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newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
January 20, 2018, 06:52:22 AM
hello,
       How are you people able to order from Baikal directly? I visited there website, emailed them they are out of stock! They sent me an email stating they will ship in Q2 and to fill up this form( https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZS3yXPmhd_a3yA6OiXoqFfXnQeCFpjtw9OyU820CnlaQrUg/viewform?usp=sf_link).
Is it even profitable to wait till Q2???
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
January 19, 2018, 07:02:33 PM
Interested as well.  Currently the only miner capable of mining multiple currencies, well we'll see.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
January 19, 2018, 05:33:49 PM
My source was Baikal, meaning that I placed an order directly from Baikal @ $3600/unit x6. I'm i the USA. Giant-B x6 shipped from Hong Kong factory to me in USA, tracking provided last night, now in transit for 2 biz day delivery. Just letting others know that are in USA or North America that we'll be mining shortly.

Looking forward to your review and take some pix  Grin
newbie
Activity: 143
Merit: 0
January 19, 2018, 12:49:18 PM
My source was Baikal, meaning that I placed an order directly from Baikal @ $3600/unit x6. I'm i the USA. Giant-B x6 shipped from Hong Kong factory to me in USA, tracking provided last night, now in transit for 2 biz day delivery. Just letting others know that are in USA or North America that we'll be mining shortly.


   Sounds like you will be in great shape on Tuesday .   Are you planning on mining with all or sell some ? 
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 15
January 18, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
My source was Baikal, meaning that I placed an order directly from Baikal @ $3600/unit x6. I'm i the USA. Giant-B x6 shipped from Hong Kong factory to me in USA, tracking provided last night, now in transit for 2 biz day delivery. Just letting others know that are in USA or North America that we'll be mining shortly.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
January 18, 2018, 07:45:22 PM
Baikal provided tracking for my x6 Giant-B order from USA, delivery scheduled for Monday, January 22nd. Well done to Baikal on beating their January 31st ship date.

I also brought from the USA, can you share the name of your supply in USA?

Thanks
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 15
January 18, 2018, 07:29:57 PM
Baikal provided tracking for my x6 Giant-B order from USA, delivery scheduled for Monday, January 22nd. Well done to Baikal on beating their January 31st ship date.
newbie
Activity: 143
Merit: 0
January 18, 2018, 04:48:40 PM
Is the Giant B also capable to mine blake2s?
yes, it can, but only 50 GH
thx for your quick reply. which algo has to be chosen for blake2s? And which coins are available?

Blake 2b is shitcoin aka Sia .   The Giant B can also mine Blake 256r14 for Decred and  Blake 256r8  which I believe is Blakecoin and possibly one other .



       You probably won't ever mine any of that with that miner and focus on Pacal , Pascal lite and Library coins .
full member
Activity: 149
Merit: 100
January 18, 2018, 03:41:50 PM
Is the Giant B also capable to mine blake2s?
yes, it can, but only 50 GH
thx for your quick reply. which algo has to be chosen for blake2s? And which coins are available?
full member
Activity: 262
Merit: 100
January 18, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
Is the Giant B also capable to mine blake2s?
yes, it can, but only 50 GH
full member
Activity: 149
Merit: 100
January 18, 2018, 03:34:57 PM
Is the Giant B also capable to mine blake2s?
legendary
Activity: 2688
Merit: 1240
January 18, 2018, 12:32:16 PM

Litecoin has a super-stable difficulty, it's almost like bitcoin, most calculators work fine with it.

Verge actually should pay out BETTER than what the calculator says as the difficulty over the alast 24h and 7d is decreasing and the calculators always calculate a static difficulty and don't have any variance. AND XVG is actually vulnerable to a difficulty retarget exploit - it will retarget too low when hashrate drops under a certain point and then will retarget too high ... during that time you can mine much more profitable.. After that phase you stop your miners, mine a different coin and come back to XVG when the diff dropped again

Many other algos have the same problem on whattomine, simply try a few other pools and coins and you'll notice that as well, DASH is a good example - it was super-exploited with the D3's coming online back in the days.

However, to come back to the PPLNS vs. Prop - did you read my link and explanation about that ? Are you still so certain that Prop payout is so much better ?

If Verge should pay out more than the Calcs say, then why am I getting around 550 XVG per day on the new myriad groestl xvg pool of yours when it should be almost 700? (Last days the calc showed even 800 once)

Most likely due to the borked 4.0 fork they tried which orphaned most of the blocks yesterday and due to the already mentioned hoppers which hop in and out of XVG
newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
January 18, 2018, 11:47:02 AM

Litecoin has a super-stable difficulty, it's almost like bitcoin, most calculators work fine with it.

Verge actually should pay out BETTER than what the calculator says as the difficulty over the alast 24h and 7d is decreasing and the calculators always calculate a static difficulty and don't have any variance. AND XVG is actually vulnerable to a difficulty retarget exploit - it will retarget too low when hashrate drops under a certain point and then will retarget too high ... during that time you can mine much more profitable.. After that phase you stop your miners, mine a different coin and come back to XVG when the diff dropped again

Many other algos have the same problem on whattomine, simply try a few other pools and coins and you'll notice that as well, DASH is a good example - it was super-exploited with the D3's coming online back in the days.

However, to come back to the PPLNS vs. Prop - did you read my link and explanation about that ? Are you still so certain that Prop payout is so much better ?

If Verge should pay out more than the Calcs say, then why am I getting around 550 XVG per day on the new myriad groestl xvg pool of yours when it should be almost 700? (Last days the calc showed even 800 once)
sr. member
Activity: 314
Merit: 250
January 18, 2018, 11:37:21 AM
We're running a lbry pool as well by the way:

https://pool.mn/lbry

And yes, ocminer is right with PPLNS, it's a must-have for algos which are available on nicehash.
legendary
Activity: 2688
Merit: 1240
January 18, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.


I've (tried) to explain it to you several times and you're not seeming to understand.

Can you answer why whattomine calculator is only wrong regarding XVG and not regarding other currencies such as Litecoin?


Litecoin has a super-stable difficulty, it's almost like bitcoin, most calculators work fine with it.

Verge actually should pay out BETTER than what the calculator says as the difficulty over the alast 24h and 7d is decreasing and the calculators always calculate a static difficulty and don't have any variance. AND XVG is actually vulnerable to a difficulty retarget exploit - it will retarget too low when hashrate drops under a certain point and then will retarget too high ... during that time you can mine much more profitable.. After that phase you stop your miners, mine a different coin and come back to XVG when the diff dropped again

Many other algos have the same problem on whattomine, simply try a few other pools and coins and you'll notice that as well, DASH is a good example - it was super-exploited with the D3's coming online back in the days.

However, to come back to the PPLNS vs. Prop - did you read my link and explanation about that ? Are you still so certain that Prop payout is so much better ?
hero member
Activity: 1138
Merit: 523
January 18, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.


I've (tried) to explain it to you several times and you're not seeming to understand.

Can you answer why whattomine calculator is only wrong regarding XVG and not regarding other currencies such as Litecoin?

The hashrate for LTC isn't going out of whack as quickly and the chain retargeting to difficulty for XVG is vulnerable to this kind of increases.
hero member
Activity: 1138
Merit: 523
January 18, 2018, 11:29:22 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.

What happens is that the difficulty gets adjusted faster than what the calculators can take into account. For many of these new to asic algorithms the difficulty adjusts every X number of blocks and if you're doubling to tripling to xyzing the hashrate, stats etc fall way way out of whack.
ASICS make for nice dead paperweights once they become unprofitable to run.
Look at all the suckers who got burned so badly on the D3 miners.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 255
January 18, 2018, 11:25:08 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.


I've (tried) to explain it to you several times and you're not seeming to understand.

Can you answer why whattomine calculator is only wrong regarding XVG and not regarding other currencies such as Litecoin?
legendary
Activity: 2688
Merit: 1240
January 18, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.


I've (tried) to explain it to you several times and you're not seeming to understand.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 255
January 18, 2018, 11:19:40 AM
Who want a Pool with Who want a Pool with Proportional (Prop) - The block reward is distributed among miners in proportion to the number of shares they submitted in a round. The expected reward per share depends on the number of shares already submitted in the round.

For LBRY as SuperNova does not pay well, SuperNova is paying 30% less to us...

If there is interest of 20 Giant B machines than i can ask a friend to build a pool where there would be no tricks of PPLNS



Seems you don't understand how PPLNS works Smiley

PPLNS actually pays MORE than Prop - Prop is exploitable by pool hoppers/Nicehash - thats the reason the pool actually IS running in PPLNS.

In a Prop Pool a user with for example Nicehash can push a lof of shares until the round reaches 30-35% and then hopps out - if the block has been found within this time, he'll get the biggest part of that block because he submitted super-many shares during that time, all the regular miners will get underpaid.

In PPLNS, the pool looks over the last 10 rounds (lucky and unlucky rounds) and pays for those shares, so the pool hopper, which will have LESS shares during 10 rounds than regular miners will actually be paid LESS here.


And please.. Those idiotic "SuperNova pays 100% less" etc. Stop it.. It's just ridicolous.

I can still open a Prop Pool next to the PPLNS pool for free, however, PPLNS is the best available payout method.

Whats your explanation for 30% less payout by Supernova?

If PPLNS is so good should give something around about the Est rewards but not that much big difference of 30%


It's not possible, what proof have you got ? You can forget the estimates as the difficulty is increasing hour by hour since the miners are coming online.

Read here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-is-pool-hopping-a-problem-if-you-use-a-proportional-pool-read-this-24966

Proof is i am mining there and doing daily monitoring but it always pay 30% lesser, i understand calculators are not always 100% correct but they are not that incorrect , so how you justify 30% less payouts?

They ARE that incorrect.

Oh, really?

For all other coins i am mining they are correct for example Litecoin and only in case of XVG they are incorrect? come on. Do you own supernova? If not then its none of your business, let them come forward and explain.
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