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many media have highlighted the ballon d'Or winner voting this year and made speculation behind. i also didn't think that Lewandowski didn't win the Ballon Dior this year, because Messi has been decided as the winner so we can only accept that decision, maybe next year will be a win for Lewandowski.

Yes, Messi has won this year 2021 Ballon d'or which makes it the seventh one won by him and the best player of all time for now, I also which Lewandowski to be the winner but also pleased with Messi been the winner. The winner was not choosen, the winner was voted for, this makes the whole thing not to be biased as some people are thinking.

a lot of controversy is rolling now after messi received this award. Not without reason because some people think this is unreasonable because they think Lewa is still better than Messi last season.
At least there are some well-known soccer players who speak up about this and think it's unfair.

On the other hand, Lewa also received an award in the form of Striker of the Year. However, it seems that the trophy was given nothing more than a remedy for disappointment.

I don't think Lewa is better than Messi but I prefer with player success get champion league on his club or get EURO 2020 trophy for his country, I think Kante is most relevant player to be winner Ballon D'or because success give champion league trophy for Chelsea and almost Ballon D'or before have character with champion league trophy get by some player.

When talking to Kante, of course, I agree on this, because from the very beginning I created this thread.
I never doubted the prowess he had, but Kante was so humble that he was indeed a candidate but not superior to the judges.
But he still impressed me even though he wasn't a strong candidate

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Many people think that Lionel Messi does not deserve to win the Ballon d'Or this year, and many speculate that the award does not seem to have the transparency in determining who deserves the Ballon d'Or, at first I also really wanted to see if Lewandowski this year would be able to get the award, but after I read some comparisons between lewandowski and messi, so I think right now messi deserves it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on December 03, 2021, 10:34:49 AM

All Messi haters should only pray that Lewa is awarded for his 2020 performance.

"Haters" is too strong word...

On the other hand, if Nobel prize for literature was awarded with a delay (in 2019 they gave prize for 2019&2018), then why not do the same with Ballon d'Or.

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Quote from: mv1986 on December 03, 2021, 10:28:36 AM

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Quote from: PawGo on December 03, 2021, 08:36:04 AM

Or people are tired of having "one hero", situation similar to F1. Hamilton's domination became boring and predictable, Verstappen maybe is not the kind of person you instantly like, but he is a great opponent and warrior. And many people support him because he guarantees fight and good racing against Mercedes.
Situation in 2020 was really strange, because the whole season was as much impacted by covid as some people stated and Lewandowski was obvious number 1 for the prize - but then it would break Messi's domination...

You have a very strange analogy - you can overtake Hamilton in the race and take first place. If we take your analogy, then it should be like this: Hamilton arrives 5th, but he is always awarded the championship. That would be a little weird, wouldn't it?

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 02, 2021, 02:00:50 PM

This is how young people will think (though they are already thinking) in 10 years. And no one will remember those who really dominated - Xavi, Iniesta and company. Who are Xavi and Iniesta in terms of history? They are nonames whose names will be remembered only by specialists. And this situation has developed due to the actions of the organizers of this wretched award.

because everyone has their own era and only certain people will know about it in a few years Cheesy

On the other hand, we all know that things like this are constantly changing and will remain that way because that is a cycle that will always happen.
Everyone has their own era and the fans have their own way of appreciating it.

Thanks to the organizers of the Ballon d'Or and Messi, Xavi and Iniesta never had their era. They are nonames right now. This is a real tragedy.

Formula 1 is a very bad analogy indeed. Not only because of the way KTChampions outlined, but also because there is no subjective vote involved at all (ignoring some decisions by the FIA of course). Formula 1 is just objective. You either drive faster than your opponent or you don't. Tennis the same, even darts. These awards like the Ballon dor are difficult. It is also difficult in bodybuilding where you have millions of different opinions often times as it is not always the "biggest" guy who wins, but these days it is the "most aesthetic". Yeah, there you go, what is aesthetic?

I guess from an objective point of view, Messi was one of the best three scorers (I think number 2 with 35 scorer points) and he won the Copa America. I assume that was enough for the journalists to say Messi is going to win it. I do agree that Messi wasn't at his best, but I would still say he is the best player this planet has ever seen.

To all those saying Lewa deserved it. It's like you have forgotten that Lewa only tremendously in 2020 but for 2021, it's a combination of both club and Country performances. Lewa only won his German league and its other cups but lost the ucl. Messi also won copa dey rey and lost ucl. Then comes country's performance, that were Messi beat Lewa hands down. All Messi haters should only pray that Lewa is awarded for his 2020 performance.

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 03, 2021, 10:03:20 AM

Quote from: PawGo on December 03, 2021, 08:36:04 AM

Or people are tired of having "one hero", situation similar to F1. Hamilton's domination became boring and predictable, Verstappen maybe is not the kind of person you instantly like, but he is a great opponent and warrior. And many people support him because he guarantees fight and good racing against Mercedes.
Situation in 2020 was really strange, because the whole season was as much impacted by covid as some people stated and Lewandowski was obvious number 1 for the prize - but then it would break Messi's domination...

You have a very strange analogy - you can overtake Hamilton in the race and take first place. If we take your analogy, then it should be like this: Hamilton arrives 5th, but he is always awarded the championship. That would be a little weird, wouldn't it?

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 02, 2021, 02:00:50 PM

This is how young people will think (though they are already thinking) in 10 years. And no one will remember those who really dominated - Xavi, Iniesta and company. Who are Xavi and Iniesta in terms of history? They are nonames whose names will be remembered only by specialists. And this situation has developed due to the actions of the organizers of this wretched award.

because everyone has their own era and only certain people will know about it in a few years Cheesy

On the other hand, we all know that things like this are constantly changing and will remain that way because that is a cycle that will always happen.
Everyone has their own era and the fans have their own way of appreciating it.

Thanks to the organizers of the Ballon d'Or and Messi, Xavi and Iniesta never had their era. They are nonames right now. This is a real tragedy.

Formula 1 is a very bad analogy indeed. Not only because of the way KTChampions outlined, but also because there is no subjective vote involved at all (ignoring some decisions by the FIA of course). Formula 1 is just objective. You either drive faster than your opponent or you don't. Tennis the same, even darts. These awards like the Ballon dor are difficult. It is also difficult in bodybuilding where you have millions of different opinions often times as it is not always the "biggest" guy who wins, but these days it is the "most aesthetic". Yeah, there you go, what is aesthetic?

I guess from an objective point of view, Messi was one of the best three scorers (I think number 2 with 35 scorer points) and he won the Copa America. I assume that was enough for the journalists to say Messi is going to win it. I do agree that Messi wasn't at his best, but I would still say he is the best player this planet has ever seen.

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Quote from: PawGo on December 03, 2021, 08:36:04 AM

Or people are tired of having "one hero", situation similar to F1. Hamilton's domination became boring and predictable, Verstappen maybe is not the kind of person you instantly like, but he is a great opponent and warrior. And many people support him because he guarantees fight and good racing against Mercedes.
Situation in 2020 was really strange, because the whole season was as much impacted by covid as some people stated and Lewandowski was obvious number 1 for the prize - but then it would break Messi's domination...

You have a very strange analogy - you can overtake Hamilton in the race and take first place. If we take your analogy, then it should be like this: Hamilton arrives 5th, but he is always awarded the championship. That would be a little weird, wouldn't it?

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 02, 2021, 02:00:50 PM

This is how young people will think (though they are already thinking) in 10 years. And no one will remember those who really dominated - Xavi, Iniesta and company. Who are Xavi and Iniesta in terms of history? They are nonames whose names will be remembered only by specialists. And this situation has developed due to the actions of the organizers of this wretched award.

because everyone has their own era and only certain people will know about it in a few years Cheesy

On the other hand, we all know that things like this are constantly changing and will remain that way because that is a cycle that will always happen.
Everyone has their own era and the fans have their own way of appreciating it.

Thanks to the organizers of the Ballon d'Or and Messi, Xavi and Iniesta never had their era. They are nonames right now. This is a real tragedy.

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The players of the Spanish national team won the European Championship in 2008, then the World Championship in 2010, then again the European Championship in 2012, becoming living legends ... now check who received the Ballon d'Or in those years Wink

I can give you a hint - someone who failed the 2010 World Cup and then failed the 2011 America's Cup Grin

Well, those years were dominated by two special individuals, Lionel Messi, and Cristiano Ronaldo. They were the two best players in the world and in my opinion, are still now. Some will say Messi is better than Ronaldo and the others will say Ronaldo is better than Messi. But we all know that there are two goats of football.

This is how young people will think (though they are already thinking) in 10 years. And no one will remember those who really dominated - Xavi, Iniesta and company. Who are Xavi and Iniesta in terms of history? They are nonames whose names will be remembered only by specialists. And this situation has developed due to the actions of the organizers of this wretched award.

because everyone has their own era and only certain people will know about it in a few years Cheesy

On the other hand, we all know that things like this are constantly changing and will remain that way because that is a cycle that will always happen.
Everyone has their own era and the fans have their own way of appreciating it.

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Or people are tired of having "one hero", situation similar to F1. Hamilton's domination became boring and predictable, Verstappen maybe is not the kind of person you instantly like, but he is a great opponent and warrior. And many people support him because he guarantees fight and good racing against Mercedes.
Situation in 2020 was really strange, because the whole season was as much impacted by covid as some people stated and Lewandowski was obvious number 1 for the prize - but then it would break Messi's domination...

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Did Messi really deserve Ballon d'or? I think, yes. He totally deserved it if we take the last season into account also. He got fabulous statistics then and he did everything to carry his team as much as possible to a better level. But was he the only one who deserved it? Of course, not. Honestly I was thinking of the possibility that Robert Lewandowski would win it too.

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Quote from: diderdrogba on December 02, 2021, 08:13:09 AM

People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

The debate will continue until the end of this year, because everyone still doesn't believe it and is unsure, fifa gave a de'or balloon to messi, because considering messi's inconsistent performance this year, but if fifa gave a de'or balloon to kante, lowdoski, or muhammad is wrong, I'm sure there will be no debate, because their performance has always been stable until now..

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Quote from: diderdrogba on December 02, 2021, 08:13:09 AM

People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

Personally, in my opinion, Messi doesn't deserve the de'or balloon award, because there are still many other players who are better than Messi and get lots of trophies, either the league cup or the champions league cup, like Kante who won the champions league cup, and the league cup, and Lewdosky who played well and was able to bring home the league cup, that's why there was a lot of debate and many people doubted fifa for giving the de'or balloon to messi..

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I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

I am not entirely sure if becoming champions with your national team is enough, you need to also do it with a team that wasn't expected or hasn't won it in a long time. Like when was the last time Argentina won it? Or Italy? So, both of those teams were in a big break and suddenly they are doing much better thanks to their good players.

Messi has been playing for so long and I believe it is his first time right? Plus stats are very important and I agree that Lewandowski had one of the best stats ever but the reality is that we are talking about assists as well, put in everything from every game and Messi has less goals but his goal+assist ratio looks insane plus he won so many more things with his teams. All in all I believe that Messi was a good decision, yes they could have given it to Lewa because Messi already has so many and Lewa may never get it again, but I believe they didn't want to do injustice to an amazing year Messi had.

Lewandowski is suppose to have won the best player,but the period fell during Corona Virus where they paused football for some while to avoid close contact with people. He was the most favourite to win that tittle that time.

We won't be surprise if the world best will no longer Messi and Ronaldo,because they have really dominated football for so long and they need to give a way to the guy's lads coming up.

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Quote from: diderdrogba on December 02, 2021, 08:13:09 AM

People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

So why Modric win over CR7 in 2018?

If you looking over goals Modric robbed CR7 3 years ago.

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Quote from: Tony116 on December 02, 2021, 11:38:45 AM

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The players of the Spanish national team won the European Championship in 2008, then the World Championship in 2010, then again the European Championship in 2012, becoming living legends ... now check who received the Ballon d'Or in those years Wink

I can give you a hint - someone who failed the 2010 World Cup and then failed the 2011 America's Cup Grin

Well, those years were dominated by two special individuals, Lionel Messi, and Cristiano Ronaldo. They were the two best players in the world and in my opinion, are still now. Some will say Messi is better than Ronaldo and the others will say Ronaldo is better than Messi. But we all know that there are two goats of football.

This is how young people will think (though they are already thinking) in 10 years. And no one will remember those who really dominated - Xavi, Iniesta and company. Who are Xavi and Iniesta in terms of history? They are nonames whose names will be remembered only by specialists. And this situation has developed due to the actions of the organizers of this wretched award.

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Quote from: PawGo on December 02, 2021, 10:54:38 AM

Huge disappointment in Poland and looking for any light in tunnel, like that:
https://www.watson.de/sport/exklusiv/361360476-aufregung-um-messi-ballon-d-or-chef-stimmte-fuer-lewandowski-und-macht-hoffnung
So, still hope that France Football will give him prize for 2020, especially after Messi told loudly he supports that idea.

Personally I think it is one more popularity contest.

Awards like this are always a popularity contest, however even if more factors are taken into account it is obvious that the name of Messi had a huge influence on the end result.

However it is also possible this was done on purpose to stir controversy about this award, and by causing this polemic the ones behind the Ballon d'or hope their award could become even more popular and they could retain their relevancy, after all award or no award the best players remain that way for the public, so it s not like we need someone to tell us who can play soccer and who cannot, as we can tell the difference with our own eyes.

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 02, 2021, 10:05:56 AM

Quote from: diderdrogba on December 02, 2021, 08:13:09 AM

People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

The players of the Spanish national team won the European Championship in 2008, then the World Championship in 2010, then again the European Championship in 2012, becoming living legends ... now check who received the Ballon d'Or in those years Wink

I can give you a hint - someone who failed the 2010 World Cup and then failed the 2011 America's Cup Grin

Well, those years were dominated by two special individuals, Lionel Messi, and Cristiano Ronaldo. They were the two best players in the world and in my opinion, are still now. Some will say Messi is better than Ronaldo and the others will say Ronaldo is better than Messi. But we all know that there are two goats of football.

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Huge disappointment in Poland and looking for any light in tunnel, like that:
https://www.watson.de/sport/exklusiv/361360476-aufregung-um-messi-ballon-d-or-chef-stimmte-fuer-lewandowski-und-macht-hoffnung
So, still hope that France Football will give him prize for 2020, especially after Messi told loudly he supports that idea.

Personally I think it is one more popularity contest.

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Quote from: diderdrogba on December 02, 2021, 08:13:09 AM

People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

The players of the Spanish national team won the European Championship in 2008, then the World Championship in 2010, then again the European Championship in 2012, becoming living legends ... now check who received the Ballon d'Or in those years Wink

I can give you a hint - someone who failed the 2010 World Cup and then failed the 2011 America's Cup Grin

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People are discussing whether Messi really deserved to win this prize. But I believe that he deserved to win the prize thanks to his great performance in the last season. He scored 38 goals and made 18 assists in 48 games. For a player who is 34 years old now, it is a really big achievement I think. And he is not just an ordinary player who has this kind of a season only once in a few years. He was always this good and he is a legend already.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on December 01, 2021, 05:43:53 PM

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There has still been some arguments about whether Messi deserved winning Ballon d'or or Ronaldo deserved it more. But Messi still won it in the end and it is the most important point here. Messi won it two times in a row. And in total, Messi has won 7 times and Ronaldo follows him by 5 times. As they may not play like in the old days anymore, it might be hard to see any of them winning it even for once from now on. So maybe some time later, a different player would break the record and I'm sure that it will happen.

For the tittle that Messi won which is the Ballon d'or,he really deserves it more than anybody.Looking at his individual performance,he really deserves the tittle than Lewandowski,Kante,Jorginho and so on.
Messi has won the tittle two times more than Ronaldo now,thereby showing his supremacy over Ronaldo.

Well, the debate should be over now and it as Messi has won it I don't think that anything will change this now. Even though I do agree that Lewandowski was really good
And about having supremacy over Ronaldo we all can agree that Messi and Ronaldo both play differently. And Messi can do certain things that maybe Ronaldo isn't comfortable with and vice versa.

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