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Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 01, 2021, 03:53:49 PM

There has still been some arguments about whether Messi deserved winning Ballon d'or or Ronaldo deserved it more. But Messi still won it in the end and it is the most important point here. Messi won it two times in a row. And in total, Messi has won 7 times and Ronaldo follows him by 5 times. As they may not play like in the old days anymore, it might be hard to see any of them winning it even for once from now on. So maybe some time later, a different player would break the record and I'm sure that it will happen.

For the tittle that Messi won which is the Ballon d'or,he really deserves it more than anybody.Looking at his individual performance,he really deserves the tittle than Lewandowski,Kante,Jorginho and so on.
Messi has won the tittle two times more than Ronaldo now,thereby showing his supremacy over Ronaldo.

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This award has long been discredited, I think few professionals or even just those who are fond of watching football take it seriously. This is part of marketing, politics - it has nothing to do with objectivity. If you look at the winners, you might think that in football there are practically no great defenders or goalkeepers - almost all the awards are taken by the strikers.

That is a legit point, almost all the winners are strikers. The problem is that it is hard to quantify how a defender helped during a match and how many balls he was able to tackle from the opponent but the number of goals scored will be always remembered.

If the award winner was selected earlier Robert Lewandowski would be the winner and the award board should have given to him because Messi already won them multiple times and for the longest time Messi and CR7 is sharing the trophy for years.

I believe that this award is almost exclusively for attackers.

Not wanting to belittle other attackers, but the correct thing would be to have exclusive prize classes for goalkeeper, defender, attacker, etc.
It would be the most correct and fair with everyone, as each category would have its own scoring criteria.

As for favoring one or the other player, this could easily be eliminated with a purely critical analysis of the data (nr of correct passes, goals scored, assists, fouls, etc. and that's all) without analyzing subjective characteristics.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 01, 2021, 04:04:45 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on December 01, 2021, 12:52:29 PM

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This award has long been discredited, I think few professionals or even just those who are fond of watching football take it seriously. This is part of marketing, politics - it has nothing to do with objectivity. If you look at the winners, you might think that in football there are practically no great defenders or goalkeepers - almost all the awards are taken by the strikers.

That is a legit point, almost all the winners are strikers. The problem is that it is hard to quantify how a defender helped during a match and how many balls he was able to tackle from the opponent but the number of goals scored will be always remembered.

If the award winner was selected earlier Robert Lewandowski would be the winner and the award board should have given to him because Messi already won them multiple times and for the longest time Messi and CR7 is sharing the trophy for years.

I think that given the fact that computing resources are becoming cheaper and AI is solving ever wider types of problems, plus the fact that all matches in modern football remain recorded on video, we hope that soon we will get an impartial assessment of who was how strong in football. I think the results will surprise a lot of people and there will definitely not be these comic balls that are handed out for business/PR reasons, not facts.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 01, 2021, 02:04:54 AM

I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

I am not entirely sure if becoming champions with your national team is enough, you need to also do it with a team that wasn't expected or hasn't won it in a long time. Like when was the last time Argentina won it? Or Italy? So, both of those teams were in a big break and suddenly they are doing much better thanks to their good players.

Messi has been playing for so long and I believe it is his first time right? Plus stats are very important and I agree that Lewandowski had one of the best stats ever but the reality is that we are talking about assists as well, put in everything from every game and Messi has less goals but his goal+assist ratio looks insane plus he won so many more things with his teams. All in all I believe that Messi was a good decision, yes they could have given it to Lewa because Messi already has so many and Lewa may never get it again, but I believe they didn't want to do injustice to an amazing year Messi had.

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 01, 2021, 12:52:29 PM

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This award has long been discredited, I think few professionals or even just those who are fond of watching football take it seriously. This is part of marketing, politics - it has nothing to do with objectivity. If you look at the winners, you might think that in football there are practically no great defenders or goalkeepers - almost all the awards are taken by the strikers.

That is a legit point, almost all the winners are strikers. The problem is that it is hard to quantify how a defender helped during a match and how many balls he was able to tackle from the opponent but the number of goals scored will be always remembered.

If the award winner was selected earlier Robert Lewandowski would be the winner and the award board should have given to him because Messi already won them multiple times and for the longest time Messi and CR7 is sharing the trophy for years.

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There has still been some arguments about whether Messi deserved winning Ballon d'or or Ronaldo deserved it more. But Messi still won it in the end and it is the most important point here. Messi won it two times in a row. And in total, Messi has won 7 times and Ronaldo follows him by 5 times. As they may not play like in the old days anymore, it might be hard to see any of them winning it even for once from now on. So maybe some time later, a different player would break the record and I'm sure that it will happen.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on December 01, 2021, 08:31:17 AM

Thomas Muller's statement about the Ballon d'Or 2021 award was written on Linkedin.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/esmuellert_motivation-ballondor-lewandowski-activity-6871530282026053633-AAhc

From that long angle it is clear that Thomas Muller was a little disappointed with the awarding of the Ballon d'Or yesterday and it is indeed an incident in the past that is repeating itself, but Muller still congratulates Lionel Messi even though he thinks it is Lewandowski who deserves it, but he will prove it in the future will win the UCL this season and even this week facing Barcelona will be an interesting game according to him.
Muller can prove with Bayern Munich.

The awarding of the FIFA ballon d'Or by UEFA yesterday really made Mita's public eyes astonished with all the controversies that existed where Lionel Messi managed to get his 7th ballon d'Or title where he beat Robert Lewandowski as the main competitor as the world's best player. 2021, we really regret what UEFA has done with the appointment of Messi as the winner of the FIFA Ballon d'Or this season. In fact, it still deserves to be given to Robert Lewandowski for his contribution on the pitch with Bayern Munich this season, while for Messi himself he only brought Argentina the Copa title. America for other achievements has not been able to see the contribution that Messi has made to PSG, of course all are very disappointed with the appointment of Messi as the winner of the FIFA Ballon d'Or this season.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 30, 2021, 08:10:17 AM

I don't understand why many people think Lewandowski deserved this year's Ballon d'Or. There is no doubt that he has played well all season. But in the overall performance of Messi and Lewandowski, Messi is definitely ahead. This is clearly seen. Lewandowski is worthy only if we think about the goal. But in the case of Ballon d'Or many more things are evaluated. Messi has 16 assists, Lewandowski has 8. Messi is also ahead in overall performance.

It depends if the Ballon d'Or is a reward for the best player or for the best season of a player.

From what you are saying then the Ballon d'Or won by Modric in 2018 was a robbery to Cr7 since Cristiano scored like 50 goals and won everything like Modric did, plus 40 goals.

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Quote from: Silberman on December 01, 2021, 12:12:44 PM

However at best team success should be a small contribution in order to decide who will win the trophy of the best player around the world, after all those are team achievements and not individual achievements, when we look only at individual achievements there were many players that deserved to get the trophy besides Messi, so while I understand why Messi got the award that does not mean that I agree with it at all.

This award has long been discredited, I think few professionals or even just those who are fond of watching football take it seriously. This is part of marketing, politics - it has nothing to do with objectivity. If you look at the winners, you might think that in football there are practically no great defenders or goalkeepers - almost all the awards are taken by the strikers.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 01, 2021, 10:36:16 AM

Messi said that Lewandowski would have been the winner in 2020, when it was cancelled. Messi won it in 2021.
France Football obviously know this is contentious, because they gave Lewandowski the special new award 'Striker of the Year'.
If you have to create a special award for someone who hasn't won, then there is something wrong.

Even messi knows he will lose when this is held in 2020 because that year Lewandowski was really crazy and actually this was a loss for Lewandowski.
But everything has happened because the postponement of the ballon d'or event was postponed, not because of one party's desire but perhaps from several perspectives.
apart from that it is Messi who has now won and it has been announced that everyone can't change this

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Quote from: davis196 on December 01, 2021, 02:04:54 AM

I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

However at best team success should be a small contribution in order to decide who will win the trophy of the best player around the world, after all those are team achievements and not individual achievements, when we look only at individual achievements there were many players that deserved to get the trophy besides Messi, so while I understand why Messi got the award that does not mean that I agree with it at all.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 01, 2021, 02:04:54 AM

I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

Yes, I think that is a big reason why Lewandowski was not given the Ballon d'Or and as Lionel Messi has a big achievement with his national team I think that's what counted Much in this matter. But it is honestly undoubtedly true that Lewandowski is the most prolific striker in the world right now. Even Messi has said that Lewandowski deserved the Ballon d'Or.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 01, 2021, 10:18:31 AM

Well, we all know that it is a little unfortunate for Lewandowski because even Messi said that Levandowski was the actual winner of the Ballon d'Or. I think that when the winter says something like this then the rotary must have done something wrong, to be honest.

Messi said that Lewandowski would have been the winner in 2020, when it was cancelled. Messi won it in 2021.
France Football obviously know this is contentious, because they gave Lewandowski the special new award 'Striker of the Year'.
If you have to create a special award for someone who hasn't won, then there is something wrong.

What they should have done is either:
a) base the 2021 award on performance across both 2020 and 2021, or
b) award a 2020 prize as well.

If they are going to give Lewandowski the Striker of the Year award, they are doing so because he was the best player in 2020 but didn't get a Ballon D'Or for it. 'Striker of the Year' is 'Ballon D'Or 2020' in all but name.

It seems to me that instead of Striker of the Year, they should have given him the 2020 Ballon D'Or retrospectively, and then let Messi keep the 2021 award.
That way both players get the awards, Lewandowski gets recognition for his 2020 performances, and probably France Football gets loads of praise and extra publicity for giving out two awards.

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Congratulations to Messi for winning the Ballon d'or again! But I'm not sure if he really earned the prize this time. If the assesment scope includes the last season too, then I wouldn't be uncomfortable with it much. Because even though Barcelona were not too good, Messi was still great and had great stats. I guess that it includes the last season also otherwise it would be really weird to select Messi while there are more deserving players like Lewandowski for example.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on December 01, 2021, 08:31:17 AM

Thomas Muller's statement about the Ballon d'Or 2021 award was written on Linkedin.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/esmuellert_motivation-ballondor-lewandowski-activity-6871530282026053633-AAhc

From that long angle it is clear that Thomas Muller was a little disappointed with the awarding of the Ballon d'Or yesterday and it is indeed an incident in the past that is repeating itself, but Muller still congratulates Lionel Messi even though he thinks it is Lewandowski who deserves it, but he will prove it in the future will win the UCL this season and even this week facing Barcelona will be an interesting game according to him.
Muller can prove with Bayern Munich.

Well, we all know that it is a little unfortunate for Lewandowski because even Messi said that Levandowski was the actual winner of the Ballon d'Or. I think that when the winter says something like this then the rotary must have done something wrong, to be honest.

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many media have highlighted the ballon d'Or winner voting this year and made speculation behind. i also didn't think that Lewandowski didn't win the Ballon Dior this year, because Messi has been decided as the winner so we can only accept that decision, maybe next year will be a win for Lewandowski.

Yes, Messi has won this year 2021 Ballon d'or which makes it the seventh one won by him and the best player of all time for now, I also which Lewandowski to be the winner but also pleased with Messi been the winner. The winner was not choosen, the winner was voted for, this makes the whole thing not to be biased as some people are thinking.

a lot of controversy is rolling now after messi received this award. Not without reason because some people think this is unreasonable because they think Lewa is still better than Messi last season.
At least there are some well-known soccer players who speak up about this and think it's unfair.

On the other hand, Lewa also received an award in the form of Striker of the Year. However, it seems that the trophy was given nothing more than a remedy for disappointment.

I don't think Lewa is better than Messi but I prefer with player success get champion league on his club or get EURO 2020 trophy for his country, I think Kante is most relevant player to be winner Ballon D'or because success give champion league trophy for Chelsea and almost Ballon D'or before have character with champion league trophy get by some player.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 01, 2021, 01:57:06 AM

Quote from: macson on November 30, 2021, 10:46:02 AM

many media have highlighted the ballon d'Or winner voting this year and made speculation behind. i also didn't think that Lewandowski didn't win the Ballon Dior this year, because Messi has been decided as the winner so we can only accept that decision, maybe next year will be a win for Lewandowski.

Yes, Messi has won this year 2021 Ballon d'or which makes it the seventh one won by him and the best player of all time for now, I also which Lewandowski to be the winner but also pleased with Messi been the winner. The winner was not choosen, the winner was voted for, this makes the whole thing not to be biased as some people are thinking.

a lot of controversy is rolling now after messi received this award. Not without reason because some people think this is unreasonable because they think Lewa is still better than Messi last season.
At least there are some well-known soccer players who speak up about this and think it's unfair.

On the other hand, Lewa also received an award in the form of Striker of the Year. However, it seems that the trophy was given nothing more than a remedy for disappointment.

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Thomas Muller's statement about the Ballon d'Or 2021 award was written on Linkedin.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/esmuellert_motivation-ballondor-lewandowski-activity-6871530282026053633-AAhc

From that long angle it is clear that Thomas Muller was a little disappointed with the awarding of the Ballon d'Or yesterday and it is indeed an incident in the past that is repeating itself, but Muller still congratulates Lionel Messi even though he thinks it is Lewandowski who deserves it, but he will prove it in the future will win the UCL this season and even this week facing Barcelona will be an interesting game according to him.
Muller can prove with Bayern Munich.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 01, 2021, 02:04:54 AM

I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

Jorginho have many trophies than Messi but always Ballon D'or dominance by player forward player position only, just Modric destroy dominance Messi and Ronaldo then back again to Messi as best player on Ballon D'or. Congratulation Lionel Messi have collected more than 7 Ballon D'or right now and have chance to get more if active and can play well on Ligue 1 and champion league.

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I guess that Messi won the 2021 ballon d'or only because he won Copa America with Argentina.
Wining a trophy with your national team is a big reason for winning ballon d'or.That's why Jorginho was voted on the third place,because Italy won Euro 2020.Chelsea won the 2021 Champions league,but I'm not sure about Jorginho's contribution to this achievement.
Lewandonwski is the greatest striker in the world right now,but he didn't won the Champions League with Bayern or the European trophy with Poland.Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern isn't such a big achievement,since Bayern is doing this every year.

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