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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 22, 2021, 02:21:41 AM

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Also Messi and Ronaldo era is over (apart from not so impressive achievement this year), so I think they will give it to another player. Probably Lewandowski Tongue

Lionel Messi might get this years Ballon d for his Copa America performance as he won the trophy with the national team and he won the golden boot and his performance for Barcelona was not bad either. CR7 scored a lot of goals this season and was the golden boot winner during the recent Euro cup and the only issue is he did not won any major tournament. So to write these legends off is just silly Tongue

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Quote from: zuzie on October 18, 2021, 10:29:50 PM

What about Chelsea players? Is there no one worthy of this trophy? from what I know at least the chosen player must contribute to one title
Local League , Champions League or other competition Unfortunately there are no players who managed to get 3 titles at once this season

The ballon d'or is between Chelsea players and Robert lewandowski. Any one among the Chelsea players do deserve it especially Jorginho. Lewandowski was robbed of it last year as the pandemic cause the event not to hold. If he get it this year ahead of Jorginho it is fine because Lewandowski deserve to be named among the best for his contributions to football over the years.

Reading about goalkeeper winning the award, why is Mendy (Chelsea goal keeper) not listed among the shortlist. Could it be because there was so many players from Chelsea already on the list. Mendy was phenomenal last season, keep clean sheets game after game and conceding just 4 goals in the whole champion league season. With such achievement, he deserves to be on the list. OH wait he is black, an African and also a goal keeper nevermind.

Yes I think if Lewandowski receives it is still fair not only because he was robbed of it during the pandemic, but also because he currently excellently confirms that he is worth that trophy. He still scores like a machine in all competitions, is at an outstanding fitness level and still the brilliant team player he used to be during the last season as well. He is a real team player, similar to Haaland. It has been discussed before, but I would honestly be a little bit shocked if Messi or Ronaldo took it home even though Messi won the Copa, but he has to accept that his achievements get measured by the standards he set in the past.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on October 09, 2021, 02:14:13 PM

It's really an unpredictable ballon d'or but if am to drop it's to top ten in no particular order
+Jorginho
+ Lionel Messi
+Cristiano ronaldo
+ Kylian mbappe
+ Erling halland
+ Kevin debruyne
+ Neymar
+N'golo kante
+ Ruben dias
+ Robert lewandowski

It's arose a lot of controversies lately, the Ballon D'or since Covid-19 where a lot of persons expected it to be the turn of Robert Lewandowski following his contributions with both Bayern Munich and his Poland but then, it had to come down to what it was. This time, I see a lot of competition for this as, its no longer the Messi Cum Ronaldo as it used to be. Both of the stars haven't been so awesome if you would ask me but, they've still made a worth while contribution.

Mean while, I think the top 10 list is literally it as, a lot of other names that made it to the top 30 seems like a mare decoration and probably, an appreciation of performance on the individual players. Nice one for every noted player to have made the list.

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 21, 2021, 02:30:06 PM

As much as I love Messi and I do think he is the best player of all times, it would not really feel right if he gets the ballon d'or for the past season. Players like Haaland or Lewandwoski were really fun to watch, really exciting performances. That also counts for a number of other players, but not so much for Ronaldo and Messi the past year.

However, there was a meme going around, it was like: Messi chose Paris as his next club because that is where the Ballon d'or will be handed out, so he can save money on the flights.

If Modric won years ago over Ronaldo who scored the all-time record goals in one Year in the Cl only for a political choice of leaving Real Madrid, this year Messi can surely win over Lewa and Jorginho for another political (QATAR) decision.

There is definitely some truth to what you are saying! Certainly, Messi and Ronaldo often deserved the trophies simply because they were the best on the planet, period. But at times there are political and fame elements involved, which is really not great, but not surprising either right? That is how the world works. I am totally convinced that Messi is the all-time best, yet he must deserve the trophy yearly by achievement, not by reputation based on the past. Of course, even in a bad season he is the best striker in La Liga.

Let's see who it's going to be. What is your bet?

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If Modric won years ago over Ronaldo who scored the all-time record goals in one Year in the Cl only for a political choice of leaving Real Madrid, this year Messi can surely win over Lewa and Jorginho for another political (QATAR) decision.

I don't know why you persistently devalue Modric and his success in the Real Madrid and the national team in 2018 when Croatia played in the finals of the World Cup? Only those who for some reason hate Real Madrid or Croatia were against it at the time, the rest of the world bowed to the little wizard from an even smaller country that made an unimaginable success.

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Have to agree with most people. Messi and Ronaldo are great, but they have waned over the last season, and each has not proven yet at his new club that he is indispendable,,, whereas for Benzema and Lewandowski both proved they are needed both at club and country.

My vote is for Benzema but Lewie fully deserves it.

Those guys have won so many awards, individual and with their teams, that unless they are at the very top of their games I would not give the award to them, and since this is not the case right now, at least in my mind they should not get the Ballon d'or, but unfortunately things are never that simple, we know there are a lot of influences trying to move the results to one side or the other and it seems Messi could get the award even if there are many other players which deserve it more.

Definitely not this year anyway. or the half of last year. Even counting playing time Messi and Ronaldo have not clocked up as much as they used to simply because of sitting on the bench and because of injuries,,, so it would be highly unfair for people to give their votes to these two when others deserve it more.

Benzema may not win it in the end because of his personality and of his involvement in the sextape scandal though,,, that makes a lot of other footballers mad I believe.

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Only Lev Yashin has ever won a Ballon d'Or for the goalkeeper position, so it's improbable for another GK to win this award, except he is an IMBA goalkeeper. Yes, Donnarumma is the best player for EURO 21, but his club record is not that impressive.

Also Messi and Ronaldo era is over (apart from not so impressive achievement this year), so I think they will give it to another player. Probably Lewandowski Tongue

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Quote from: famososMuertos on October 21, 2021, 05:53:21 PM

There is no doubt that this year the award is open to other non-frequent, I speak for example of GianLuigi DonnaRumma who would be a good winner, perhaps not a favorite, but that if very well received by everyone, because the fact that CR7 does not win makes the Messi fans happy and that the Argentine does not win in the same way, so Robert Lewandowski (!?) well done, good season, but let's leave everyone happy and may a goalkeeper win for the second time.

Donnarumma has been one of the best keepers in Europe for about 2 seasons now but I don't think that makes him the only suitable candidate for this year's Ballond'or. I mean, there have been other players that have had top notch performance too. But at this point, I feel like it doesn't really matter much since they'd just give the trophy to Ronaldo or Messi as usual.

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There is no doubt that this year the award is open to other non-frequent, I speak for example of GianLuigi DonnaRumma who would be a good winner, perhaps not a favorite, but that if very well received by everyone, because the fact that CR7 does not win makes the Messi fans happy and that the Argentine does not win in the same way, so Robert Lewandowski (!?) well done, good season, but let's leave everyone happy and may a goalkeeper win for the second time.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on October 19, 2021, 03:10:21 AM

Have to agree with most people. Messi and Ronaldo are great, but they have waned over the last season, and each has not proven yet at his new club that he is indispendable,,, whereas for Benzema and Lewandowski both proved they are needed both at club and country.

My vote is for Benzema but Lewie fully deserves it.

Those guys have won so many awards, individual and with their teams, that unless they are at the very top of their games I would not give the award to them, and since this is not the case right now, at least in my mind they should not get the Ballon d'or, but unfortunately things are never that simple, we know there are a lot of influences trying to move the results to one side or the other and it seems Messi could get the award even if there are many other players which deserve it more.

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 21, 2021, 02:30:06 PM

As much as I love Messi and I do think he is the best player of all times, it would not really feel right if he gets the ballon d'or for the past season. Players like Haaland or Lewandwoski were really fun to watch, really exciting performances. That also counts for a number of other players, but not so much for Ronaldo and Messi the past year.

However, there was a meme going around, it was like: Messi chose Paris as his next club because that is where the Ballon d'or will be handed out, so he can save money on the flights.

If Modric won years ago over Ronaldo who scored the all-time record goals in one Year in the Cl only for a political choice of leaving Real Madrid, this year Messi can surely win over Lewa and Jorginho for another political (QATAR) decision.

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Quote from: thebatletbet on October 19, 2021, 04:49:23 AM

i think lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo can get ballon d'or
but last season, without throphy, messi get coppa america
so messi can win
another big chance jorginho win champion league and euro

their era isn't over yet but for the ballon d'or it seems not. they are both great players and everyone knows that and there is no denying their greatness.
ronaldo with his hard training and he is like a robot and messi who is blessed by his natural talent have all been great and graced the awards for a few seasons but now there has to be a regeneration and they deserve more.
compared to jorginho, i think lewie is better in his performance even though jorginho has references, namely the UCL and Euro trophies.

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Quote from: thebatletbet on October 19, 2021, 04:49:23 AM

i think lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo can get ballon d'or
but last season, without throphy, messi get coppa america
so messi can win
another big chance jorginho win champion league and euro

As much as I love Messi and I do think he is the best player of all times, it would not really feel right if he gets the ballon d'or for the past season. Players like Haaland or Lewandwoski were really fun to watch, really exciting performances. That also counts for a number of other players, but not so much for Ronaldo and Messi the past year.

However, there was a meme going around, it was like: Messi chose Paris as his next club because that is where the Ballon d'or will be handed out, so he can save money on the flights.

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i think lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo can get ballon d'or
but last season, without throphy, messi get coppa america
so messi can win
another big chance jorginho win champion league and euro

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Have to agree with most people. Messi and Ronaldo are great, but they have waned over the last season, and each has not proven yet at his new club that he is indispendable,,, whereas for Benzema and Lewandowski both proved they are needed both at club and country.

My vote is for Benzema but Lewie fully deserves it.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 10, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: davis196 on October 10, 2021, 01:41:01 AM

My favorites are Benzema and Mohamed Salah.Karim Benzema is a great player with great contribution for Real Madrid(even though I don't like Real Madrid).

If we are to say that the Ballon d'or is not a popularity contest and truly it is given to most deserving in terms of titles and cups won, IMHO Benzema should be top runner to win this Ballon d'Or having a world cup medal and Nations League medal to his name. Benzema is on a fantastic form and has performed and scored against big teams, he deserves to be recognised.

Why is Robert Lewandowski side lined he has done so much this season to deserve nomination even though he doesn't earn the title. Haaland or Karim Benzema should be another key focus. But for me the most deserving of this year's Balloon d'or should be the Bundlesliga legend and no other

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Quote from: davis196 on October 10, 2021, 01:41:01 AM

My favorites are Benzema and Mohamed Salah.Karim Benzema is a great player with great contribution for Real Madrid(even though I don't like Real Madrid).

If we are to say that the Ballon d'or is not a popularity contest and truly it is given to most deserving in terms of titles and cups won, IMHO Benzema should be top runner to win this Ballon d'Or having a world cup medal and Nations League medal to his name. Benzema is on a fantastic form and has performed and scored against big teams, he deserves to be recognised.

I agree with you I think Karim Benzema would be a good choice and a quite small surprise (like would be Kylian Mbappe too) but you are wrong Karim Benzema has not a world cup medal as you said because he was not selected in the french team during the last world cup in 2018.

What about Chelsea players? Is there no one worthy of this trophy? from what I know at least the chosen player must contribute to one title
Local League , Champions League or other competition Unfortunately there are no players who managed to get 3 titles at once this season

I’m a Manchester United fan but I’ll be happy if it goes Salah, because he deserves this award for all the hard work he’s been doing on the pitch. Also Benzema has single handedly been keeping Real Madrid alive, so yes he too is a worthy contender for this award.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on October 18, 2021, 06:47:14 PM

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Quote from: davis196 on October 10, 2021, 01:41:01 AM

My favorites are Benzema and Mohamed Salah.Karim Benzema is a great player with great contribution for Real Madrid(even though I don't like Real Madrid).

If we are to say that the Ballon d'or is not a popularity contest and truly it is given to most deserving in terms of titles and cups won, IMHO Benzema should be top runner to win this Ballon d'Or having a world cup medal and Nations League medal to his name. Benzema is on a fantastic form and has performed and scored against big teams, he deserves to be recognised.

I agree with you I think Karim Benzema would be a good choice and a quite small surprise (like would be Kylian Mbappe too) but you are wrong Karim Benzema has not a world cup medal as you said because he was not selected in the french team during the last world cup in 2018.

What about Chelsea players? Is there no one worthy of this trophy? from what I know at least the chosen player must contribute to one title
Local League , Champions League or other competition Unfortunately there are no players who managed to get 3 titles at once this season

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 10, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: davis196 on October 10, 2021, 01:41:01 AM

My favorites are Benzema and Mohamed Salah.Karim Benzema is a great player with great contribution for Real Madrid(even though I don't like Real Madrid).

If we are to say that the Ballon d'or is not a popularity contest and truly it is given to most deserving in terms of titles and cups won, IMHO Benzema should be top runner to win this Ballon d'Or having a world cup medal and Nations League medal to his name. Benzema is on a fantastic form and has performed and scored against big teams, he deserves to be recognised.

I agree with you I think Karim Benzema would be a good choice and a quite small surprise (like would be Kylian Mbappe too) but you are wrong Karim Benzema has not a world cup medal as you said because he was not selected in the french team during the last world cup in 2018.

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I think you had a auto correct moment and you meant to write the winner is Cristanio Ronaldo, what has *Messi done to win it this year?. Also it’ll be interesting if someone else wins it, because their era is definitely on the end but will they get to win it one last time fingers crossed in excitement.

*Messi is one the best, but I’m a Ronaldo fan.

Nope.
This is what the media are already saying, Messi is the favorite.
He only won the South Amrica cup.

If we need to watch trophies the winner must be Jorghino, winning the UCL with Chelsea, Best FIFA player award for Euro 2020 (played this summer) and winner of Euro 2021 with Italy.

The winner should be Lewandowskior Jorginho but IMHO and according to media Messi will win.

The question is why?
The answer can be easy, the owner of PSG is a middleman from Qatar state, the world cup will in in Qatar organized by the same REAL owner of PSG, the TV copyright will be a surprise surprises held by the same owner.

It will be a marketing bust if Messi will win.

Same thing happened on 2018, why Modric won the ballon d'or while Cristiano Ronaldo got probably one of his best year with 15-16 goals in CL?

In theory awards like this should be given exclusively on performance but we know this is not the case, all the information you are giving seems to indicate that Messi will most likely be the winner of the Ballon d'or, besides we know that the people also have influence about who wins these kind of awards, and even if Messi did not had his best year he is loved by the fans and since he finally won a trophy with his national team that could be enough justification to give him the award.

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