Topic: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds - page 3. (Read 3824 times)

Indeed have many controversial finally for the first time Premier League players success winning Ballon D'Or after last time at 2008 when Cristiano Ronaldo become the winner when still play for Manchester United. Since 2008 the winner of Ballon D'Or dominance by players in La Liga only with Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi before both era over and replacing by Karim Benzema then have Luka Modric.
I don't think have fair when comparison between Rodri and Vinicius Jr performance with their each club behind Rodri won the Premier League trophy and Euro 2024 with his national team but he failed won UEFA Champion League and FA Cup last season after defeating by Manchester United.

Vinicius Jr have won all trophies last season from UEFA Champion League, UEFA Super Cup and La Liga but he got failure with his national team at Copa America 2024 make him loss opportunity become the Ballon D'Or winner.

The ballon d’or has loose it’s worth from the very moment they denied lewadoski the opportunity of winning it 2020. Which was claimed they didn’t host it due to the Covid. 2021 they should had given to him. But then decided to give it to Messi. Then I knew the ballon d’or was not going to be the same as of the days of Ronaldo.

yes I agree with you, the jury did it right choise, Rodri has 14 more times playing than Vinicius, and he also has more accurate passing and playing more impressive as midfielder on his club. I admit, He is not really prominent like what attacker did, but his contribution for his club and national team brought him as core player and perform very consistently on eacy match.

There is nothing biased with the decision the officials made regarding Rodrio being the right person to win the award. Gone are the days when Messi and Ronaldo were the only rivals in that award. Now, anyone deserves it as long as there is proof to show for it. In Rodri's case, we all know that he has performed wonderfully well across all competitions. In the EPL he is one of their best players because of him Manchester City was able to win the EPL trophy 4 times straight if not more. Let's also fall back to the international games. He was tagged the best player in the Euro 2024 competition.

Soon the Ballon d'Or award will be a thing that players won't be interested in anymore. Since those nominating and voting are still fans of the previous Ballon d'Or competitors (Ronaldo and Messi). Just like how the Grammy will soon be underrated so will the Ballon d'Or award if care is not taken. Even to football lovers outside its not much to them anymore.

Rodri deserves the Ballon d'Or. Hear me out.

I see a lot of people sharing goal and assist stats for Rodri, Vini and Martinez all over X and that's understandable. The time Messi won that Lewandowski was supposed to have won it, nobody said anything because it's Messi but now, all hell broke lose. Rodri is not an attacker ajd we can all agree that he was excellent throughout last season.

Ballon d'Or is for exceptional players whether you're a defender, midfielder or attacker. Rodri got there by being the best DMF all season, last year.

The information about who was to win the Ballon d'Or award got leaked before the award date and Real Madrid's management had to tell their players who were among the Ballon d'Or nominees not to show up for it because they were the most preferred candidates for the award. Giving the award to Rodri was unexpected for them, considering how many football fans are predicting the Ballon d'Or Award winner to be Vinicius Junior or Bellingham.

However, the decision and voting of top football officials stand as they have given it up to Rodri to be the most decorated world-best player of the year. Next year will still come with another opportunity for the award, those who missed it this year may win it by then

I'm not surprised that you're trying to change the subject and escape from reality, because you simply have nothing to say in response.
But I'm not too lazy to repeat: in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta achieved everything that could be achieved and they didn't need Messi for that.
Messi was incredibly good playing with them, but without them he was useless trash.
And only thanks to corruption Xavi and Iniesta got ZERO Ballon D'Ors, and Messi got 4 during that period.

Can you listen to yourself? How do you convince yourself that you're making sense? The "Messi can't succeed without Xavi and Iniesta or Barcelona's system" gimmick in 2024? For real?  .
Without Xavi and Iniesta Messi went on to win three more ballon d'ors. That same thing that Xavi and Iniesta did with Spain? Messi did it with Argentina. He won the Copa America back to back and also won the world cup.
Iniesta and Xavi are legends of the game, I consider them the two best midfielders in the sport, but trying to use them to discredit Messi will always be funny.  because Messi's success outside of Barcelona with Argentina and now Inter Miami shows that Messi is that guy.
People use the lack of international trophies to clown Messi or those yeas, now that he has won every single one of them, they act like it doesn't matter.

Nobody mentioned Ronaldo, stop talking to the voices in your head.
Just try to come back to reality a little bit. The reality is that yes, when Messi played in Barcelona (with Xavi and Iniesta) he had mind-blowing statistics. The problem is that without them he was just trash (2010 World Cup) or mediocre (2011 America's Cup). At the same time, Xavi and Iniesta without Messi remained at an incredible level and won three major tournaments in a row - two European Championships + the World Cup. This is a legendary achievement for which it is difficult to come up with any comparison. You can write whatever you want, but that's the reality, they didn't need Messi, he was literally replaceable by any average player.

And since they were nominated it is mandatory that they were suppose to be their, they we claim their trophy when they feel it's convenient for them, I don't think their is any penalty for anyone that misses the gathering because this is not the first time that something like this is happening, this is a period that they want to honor them and they decide to snub is not looking good at all. And I don't know the reason why they did not turn up at all it looks weird because not a single player in Real Madrid showed up, that is what is surprising everyone.  They did not give any reason why they did not come as far the coach was not present so no questioning.

Things were different when it was messi and Ronaldo it was interesting and I don't that they have ever missed such an occasion and even big Benz and it was was a well deserved title but now you can say that most things look as if they are no longer awarding it according to merit, we don't longer know what is use to award the ballon again, and Ancelotti the best coach when they were mention names I was just surprised because I can not even say if they actually deserve it.

Ronaldo fans and pushing bullshit narrative just to make themselves feel good. Lmao.
You should tell this to somebody who doesn't watch football, not me that has been heavily invested in football since 2007.

Not you mentioning 2008 like Messi won the Ballon Dor in 2008. It just shows you clearly don't know what you're talking about but you want to talk and try to play down what Messi achieved 
Kaka won the Ballon Dor in 2007 and Ronalo won it in 2008. Messi won it from 2009 to 2012 and in all these years the only person you can make a case for is Iniesta and that was because of the 2010 World Cup where Spain won in South Africa.
But then you also have to remember that Iniesta did not win the golden ball (MVP) of that tournament. Meaning, he was not the best player in the tournament so how could he win the ballon dor? Diego Forlan was the best player in that tournament.

Or do you want to talk about 2012 when Messi scored 91 goals in a calendar year and 70 goals and 30 assists that season? Do you know what it means for one player to have 100 goals and assists a season?
Please tell that bullshit narrative to someone else, not me. I watched football with my own eyes and I know what I'm saying.

The ballon dor is always rigged when Messi wins it but it's not rigged when Ronaldo won despite not winning a single trophy over Frank Ribbery who won a treble that season.

You've been brainwashed, you're completely out of touch with reality  

2008-2012: Xavi and Iniesta won everything Messi did at club level + became European Champions twice + World Champions.
Messi screwed up at the 2010 World Cup without them, and was a dull thing at the 2011 Copa America.

During this period, Xavi and Iniesta together earned zero Ballon d'Or and Messi 4. Case closed, go back to the hospital.

True. Especially for many of those who anticipated the crowning of Vini Jr for the Ballon D'or award. I was one of those fans who anticipated Vini Jr for the Award but I was also humbled and kind of satisfied with the assessment that Cristiano Ronaldo had over the young player. He said Vini was a good dribbler and could always hustle and struggle all his way from the middle to the 18 yard box, but he really needed to work on his finishing. Vinicius Jr would have made a better candidate of the award if he got more scoring skills.

Cristiano Ronaldo also observed Vinicius Jr's temperamental behavior where he easily gets annoyed and aggressive to players and referees on several encounters. Well, these abovementioned things may not be the main reason why he didn't merit the award, but to my own opinion, I think it contributed to the overall assessment of the player.

He has done really well for Manchester City and for Spain, and as a defensive midfielder, he is the best in his position in the whole world because no player come close to him on playing his position, and he is reliable in both club side and National team.
Nevertheless, if we wants to judge base on achievements, Dani Cavajal of Real Madrid have same or even more achievements as a player than Rodri, and Lautaro Martinez of Juventus also have similar or more achievements than Rodri, but he is not given.
I don’t know the main criteria for the award and I don’t know the specific reason why Vini Jr was denied the award, but the award don’t normally have the credibility it used to have in many people face again because it is now politics.

Captains and coaches don't vote for the Ballon d'Or, journalists do. 100 journalists from the top 100 FIFA-ranking countries vote for the award.


If you look at the history of the Ballon d'Or, in a World Cup year, the World Cup is mostly considered when given the Ballon d'Or. Messi led his team to win the award and was the best player in the tournament but you people feel Messi was not deserving of the award? Modric won the award for his World Cup performance. c'mon.

 

Lmao.
You guys are so emotional it has removed every form of logic from your thinking.
We watched Messi week in and week out be the best player on the pitch and the week of every match day at his peak and yet you people still think he was favoured. It's laughable, to say the least. if we want to take away team performance and give the ballon d'or to only individual performance, then Messi will have more than 10 ballon d'ors because individual there are only a few seasons that any footballer had a better season than Messi at his peak. Let's be serious, please.

And that narrative of UEFA punishing Real Madrid is just bullshit. There's also the narrative of racism that's why Vini didn't win it. Please!!
Barcelona and Real Madrid are the two clubs that pushed for the Super League the most and their presidents were both very vocal about it, why is it only Real Madrid who is the biggest club in Europe and UCL's Golden Club the only one being punished?
Madrid was the club of the year, and Madrid's manager was the best coach.
We need to end all these mental gymnastics and face the truth, Rodri had a better season than Vinicius. Jude Bellingham and Lautaro Martinez also had a better season than Vinicius.
Up until March of this year, the player everybody pushed for the Ballon d'Or was Bellingham till Vinicius had those performances in the late stages of the Champions league and the final the the narrative changed because of recency bias.
 

After FIFA promoted Messi and gave him endless awards at the very beginning of his career, there is no point in talking about any more controversial awards. Corruption won a long time ago. At the moment, Vinnie has not received an award, apparently due to the confrontation between UEFA and the Super League. I hope it starts in 2025 and we can forget about all this FIFA/UEFA/their awards, tournaments, etc.

Erling Halaand won the treble last year and still could not win the Ballon d’Or because FIFA’s favorite was meant to win for the last time. The world cheered and applauded Messi when he robbed Erling Haaland of his Ballon d’Or. There was no complaints from Manchester City or fans that the award was stolen. So it’s hypocritical to me when those people accuse Rodri of not deserving the Ballon d’Or. If Messi was nominated for the 2024 Ballon d’Or, I’m pretty sure everyone would have voted for him.

When people say Rodri doesn't deserve the award, they really forget that he is a defensive midfielder. Rodri has done well both for the national team and for his club this year. On the other hand, Vinicius Jr's national team performance was not good. The Ballon d'Or awards are usually based on a player's national team performance. Messi winning the Ballon d'Or in the year he won the World Cup is a prime example of this.

It’s okay you look things from a different perspective and you feel Rodri deserves the title unfortunately I disagree, no doubt you made a nice point but definitely you can’t hide the fact Vinicius Jr is a competitive player as well as Rodri. From my point of view there’s nothing special about Rodri as a matter of fact I knew Vinicius Jr will not win just because of the rumors and negative feedback after a lose against Barcelona, I guess this is the first Ballon do’r ceremony fans had no predicted winner we all know the truth but since there’s an apposition against Vinicius Jr fans just want to feel the need to brag about Rodri. There’s no such as Vinicius Jr is not the best player in Real Madrid, you can clearly see when he plays definitely if not the top he’s good at what he does that’s why he’s still among the best.

Your opinion though but i don’t agree with your view, Vinicius clearly is more deserving.

Rodri is not the best Manchester City player in the premier league Foden won the award, Rodri did not also win Manchester City best player for the club Foden won it also and in the Champions league Vinicius was the competition overall best player and I don’t think he was better than Foden in the Champions leagues also. He won Euro best player but all the players did excellently well as it was a collective effort from all players.

Club world cup and UEFA Super cup are all in the past I don’t think they count for this award. Rodri only won domestic cup but Vinicius won domestic cups and also the champions league. Vinicius was more deserving and he was rubbed off the award.

Is the award now based on what a player has or who had a better season?

If it’s based on trophies then Lautaro should also be a worthy candidate as well.