Topic: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014 - page 285. (Read 1210783 times)

Nice try, but no. You are obviously ignorant of my participation on this thread that goes way back before I was even involved with any other coin.

Your attempt to dismiss the substance of my opinion by attacking my motive is both ineffective and incorrect (the former mostly because of the latter, but not entirely).

You have made your opinions known. There is no more reason for you to state them again and again. We know where you, as a Monero dev, stand on this issue.

Your obvious concern trolling is transparent. The only reason you are here right now to try to divide our community.

The only thing lacking in the rebrand vote process is the education of why the rebrand is important. There are many important reasons why a rebrand is occurring, some obvious and some maybe not as obvious.

So myself and others have the responsibility of getting the information out to anyone who questions the decision that people with a lot more time energy and resources than I have made to rebrand.

Of course it is only natural to get accustomed to a name and want to keep it. However that is a decision that lives a bit in a vacuum. And it's not necessarily an opinion that's held with the full understanding of the challenges keeping the old name creates for the community moving forward.

One day soon there will be no more of these discussions between Monero and the new BBR as if the two coins are somehow intertwined. Soon this community will stand on its own seperate from you and your Monero colleagues.

The rebrand is just one small step in the new direction this coin and technology is taking to introduce itself to the world.

You would be best advised to focus on development of Monero. The future is getting ready to become much more interesting. Wish you the best of luck. You do good work.

It is hard to discern sarcasm online so perhaps you are being sincere (though I doubt it).

Presumably you think that because I'm involved with another coin that I'm not expressing a genuine belief. That would be a mistake. Not only because it isn't true, but because others obviously hold the same belief. So disregard my views if you like, but in doing so you are disregarding the same view held by many others with no such disqualifying (in your view) affiliation.

You obviously think including a "no change" opinion in your vote would cause the vote to produce an outcome you don't like. I'm not so sure that is true, but it is unfortunate you don't get the community the chance to support what you want to do.

Imagine how much nicer it would be have the vote produce a clear result in support of the rebrand, thereby rallying the entire community behind you. You can't have that if you don't allow the "no change" option.

Absolutely yes. The name Boolberry is a very difficult brand to market to English first language communities.  BBR has never really been marketed anywhere. The new brand will allow an extensive marketing campaign to begin.

No one controls the vote. You can vote if you wish. But the vote is not on the choice of a rebrand. It's on the name of the rebrand.

HinnomTX - I love your passion. This is exactly what we need more of on this community. I'd love to get you involved in giving direct input on the direction of BBR and the community. As a group we may have disagreements, but we all want this technology to thrive.

Please PM me so we can start a dialogue. There are a lot of exciting marketing and development milestones coming down the pipeline and your input would be helpful.

Jon

SEO of any of the 3 names will not be an issue.

Thanks for your concern Smooth

They can do whatever the hell they want, as I said.

But they will take a hit in the community if they suppress the ability to even vote for the apparently widely-held view that the current name should be kept. In fact this hit is already being taken. I didn't even comment at all until others complained about it.

If they have a good case for a rebrand, then convince people and the old name loses the vote anyway.

Otherwise, they will do what they do, and I will point out that their vote is manipulative and top-down driven (just as are Beijing's voting rules in Hong Kong -- do you think they would pull that if they thought their favored candidates would win in a fair election?).

You don't have to agree, but that is my view.

It's a vote on a re-brand. It seems to me, that the decision has been already taken to move away from BBR.

People can argue on the merits of a rebrand or whether the other options are better than the existing blah blah blah... I've got not problem with that. My view is it's academic.

However to suggest there is something 'manipulative' or 'phony' about this re-branding or the voting exercise is OTT. The dev team can, quite legitimately, rule out the status quo as a rebranding option particularly if they're looking for fresh impetuous and not to go over old ground/ arguments.

(5) Vote (from shortlist with option of no change)

No change is a very obvious choice to consider and it is equally obvious that many community participants hold that view (I don't). I have no idea how widely held that view is, but if you exclude it from the vote you don't either.

The best case here is to allow "no change" as a voting option and have it lose.

To me it seems like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

• (1) Keep the name - people have complained it's too childish to invest in (be interested to see how many of these start investing/ supporting after name change, or whether it was a convenient excuse).
• (2) Pick new name themselves - people would complain about not being consulted.
• (3) Vote (from shortlist) - people complaining about lack of choice.
• (4) Vote (no shortlist) - people would complain about lack of direction and leadership.

I think its transparent from the Voting thread, that the re-naming is part of a bigger re-branding exercise. These are the names that the dev teams feel they can most readily market and promote. They're giving the community a say on the three.

Analogues with national elections are way off the mark.

I don't see the big deal in the renaming nor in the process.

Boolberry is a good name to keep the coin low profile.

+1 for keeping it Boolberry.

I don't agree. As I said, they could run a poll, or a consultive exercise, or just pick a new name on their own, but they're not doing any of that. They're describing it as a vote, and I think in one place it was said that the result of the vote would definitely be used. If you're going to decide by vote then make it a real vote where people who want to express their opinion can actually do so.

Sorry, but a fake vote where your only choices are approved by those with the real power is exactly what is happening in Hong Kong.

This view is equally OTT.

Dev team is entitled to change the name. It seems to me this 'vote' is more of a consultation exercise on a choice of 3 new names that they're mulling over.

Anyone 'put off' because BBR is off the table, would be as shortsighted as those that 'couldn't bring themselves to invest in a coin called Boolberry.'

'Manipulative' and 'phony' are strong words and out of context with what is happening here..

Let's not go overboard here. I don't think any of the proposed name changes are going to kill anything. I do think that a "vote" that prevents a fairly widely-held point of view from even being expressed at all will put some people off, even more so than the dev team just deciding on their own to change the name. It seems manipulative and phony.

http://www.google.com/search?q=hong+kong+election

Brand changing is known to kill.

+1 For keeping the name. Focus effort on new features instead.. BBR's (or BB's for short - pronouced Bee-Bee-s), is a great way to talk about the coin.