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Topic: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014 - page 283. (Read 1210783 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Actually it is broken. Perhaps you can explain to the community why BBR has 1/15 the market cap of XMR although it has better technology and development?

Part of the issue is that BBR has not attracted investment and consideration for english first speaking crypto enthusiasts. Its not just the name, of course, but you can't dismiss it as a major factor. I know it was for me, when I first heard about Boolberry.

Now there has never been any marketing and branding with BBR. That is about to change. With that change, people realized that a change would ultimately make aspects like marketing much easier going forward. The fact that we have so many Monero advocates complaining about the rebrand tells you all that you need to know.

Many of them are the same people that I have seen personally ridicule and make fun of the Boolberry name in more private conversations.

Having said all this, I can certainly understand your frustration. And I appreciate your passion about the whole issue. I'd love to get your insight and opinions moving forward as we have a lot of plans for promotion being outlined currently.

It sounds like you really want the technology to succeed. Let's make it happen. Smiley

BBR fluctuates around XMR just as LTC to BTC and silver to gold.  The market disagrees with your self-congratulatory assertions of Great Success.  We all know why...

XMR is a much bigger effort, involving very prominent Hero/Whale Members.  You OTOH have been here for one year.  CZ is an unknown with suspected ties to the elusive BCN devs.

The name is not a major factor.  I can dismiss it. 

If BBR was named Rune originally, I would have never bought a single one.  Runes just means 'letter.'  Letters are not scare nor intrinsically valuable.  Rune sounds like a trying too hard to be cool name that a young teenager, barely off of his Huffy Vortex bicycle, would think of.

Vortex is a sweet name...for a kid's BMX in the 1980s.  http://www.ghmasonphoto.com/images/bmxm/88vortex_03.jpg

Rune is a sweet name...for a Scandinavian neo-nazi speed metal band that practices in the lead singer's anesthesiologist father's three car garage.  http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rune/7496

Thanks for being positive in the face of my grumpy grumbles.  Don't worry if people make fun of BBR's name.  They did it to Google and Yahoo too.  Let the tech speak for itself, don't try so hard to make the branding carry the coin.  It won't because it can't.   Smiley
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windjc is so out of touch he thinks anyone who has a problem with changing the name must be an xmr supporter
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Google search:

RUNE = 11 million results.

Boolberry 32,400 - 95% relevant.

SEO will be taken care of. It will not be an issue. In fact, if RUNE wins, it will be in so many press releases, blogs and and articles in the future that the serps will completely change.

This community isn't use to marketing. The landscape is going to change dramatically.

Oh yes, let's pin our hopes on your "SEO opdurrmurzayshun" skillz.  Did I mention in what deservedly low esteem most of the community holds "SEO optimization" skillz?

95% relevant is hawt.  The best SEO opturrmizurr in the world couldn't do that with RUIN, er I mean, RUNE.

Also:

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by an asshat who thinks he can foist off a crappy new name on us and pretend it was the result of consensus.

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So you take over marketing from BTC_Michael, and your first move is to start a war with your own community over an unwanted, massively unpopular rebrand.

Please reconsider your actions.  We didn't ask to change the name.  We sure as Hell didn't vote on a slate of three absolutely awful replacement candidates.



We want normal people to use BBR, not just greasy teenage virgins who wear rad vintage AC/DC and Metallica tshirts like their heroes Beavis & Butthead.

"Rune?"  No.  Not just no, but hell no.  'Boolberry' is lighthearted and fun.  "Rune" is all dark and angst-ridden, like a smelly trench coat mom needs to have dry-cleaned.

Focus on the tech and drop this BS.  Stop alienating your earliest and most enthusiastic supporters by excluding us while pretending to value our opinions.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1070
I like "Rune". It's simple, easy to remember, and relatively easy to market. Also, I can imagine people actually using a cryptocurrency called "Rune" in the real world.

NO: "Your order comes to 4 Boolberries, ma'am."
YES: "Your order comes to 4 Runes, ma'am."



It's obvious which is the better name (hint: the one that's already working).  Hint 2: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Actually it is broken. Perhaps you can explain to the community why BBR has 1/15 the market cap of XMR although it has better technology and development?

Part of the issue is that BBR has not attracted investment and consideration for english first speaking crypto enthusiasts. Its not just the name, of course, but you can't dismiss it as a major factor. I know it was for me, when I first heard about Boolberry.

Now there has never been any marketing and branding with BBR. That is about to change. With that change, people realized that a change would ultimately make aspects like marketing much easier going forward. The fact that we have so many Monero advocates complaining about the rebrand tells you all that you need to know.

Many of them are the same people that I have seen personally ridicule and make fun of the Boolberry name in more private conversations.

Having said all this, I can certainly understand your frustration. And I appreciate your passion about the whole issue. I'd love to get your insight and opinions moving forward as we have a lot of plans for promotion being outlined currently.

It sounds like you really want the technology to succeed. Let's make it happen. Smiley

legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
You have made your opinions known. There is no more reason for you to state them again and again. We know where you, as a Monero dev, stand on this issue.

Sorry, wrong again. In case it wasn't clear, I've been expressing a personal opinion, something I've done before I was involved with any coin, something I will do after, and something I do now. At times my views are diametrically opposed to those of others involved with that other coin. Frankly I have no idea how they feel about any BBR rebrand, and I speak for no one but myself.

I frequently participate in a variety of discussions independent of my affiliation with any coin, as an individual, and that will continue.

If you don't like my personal opinions, you will have a choice to ignore them or respond to them. Attempting to characterize them as the action of some other coin won't work.

Ouch!  That's going to leave a mark.   Cheesy

Good job smooth, way to slap the crap out of this obnoxious noob troll who suddenly thinks he's the boss of Boolberry.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1070
I like "Rune". It's simple, easy to remember, and relatively easy to market. Also, I can imagine people actually using a cryptocurrency called "Rune" in the real world.

NO: "Your order comes to 4 Boolberries, ma'am."
YES: "Your order comes to 4 Runes, ma'am."


Google search:

RUNE = 11 million results.

Boolberry 32,400 - 95% relevant.

SEO will be taken care of. It will not be an issue. In fact, if RUNE wins, it will be in so many press releases, blogs and and articles in the future that the serps will completely change.

This community isn't use to marketing. The landscape is going to change dramatically.
sr. member
Activity: 259
Merit: 250

Also, your revulsion of "Rune" due to your subjective association of it with D&D and neckbeards says more about you than it does about the name itself.

This is an association that will haunt the coin for the rest of it's life.

I just don't think most people would associate runes with that stuff. All of us here are "in the know" about nerdy things.

Okay let me catch up (did some googling)...

D&D = Dungeons & Dragon, RPG = Role Playing Game.
Right?...

I do vaguely remember someone at school (MANY) years ago trying to convince me to play this shortly before I put him in a headlock and stole his pocket money...

I'm guessing 'Rune' had some part to pay in that?

Safe to say 99.9% of the population won't make that connection!
 
P.S. - when I think of Boolberry, I think of Burberry. All you need is for Jay-Z to drop a line about 'going to the UK, to use his Boolberry to buy some Burberry...' then moon!
full member
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he certainly isn't doing boolberry any favours.

Todgers have lost the plot with the gluttoned garbage.

zoidberg, this is a sign of you being on the right track with the rebranding mate. If the tech is what matters, they will accept a new name too, albeit with some dissonance.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I like "Rune". It's simple, easy to remember, and relatively easy to market. Also, I can imagine people actually using a cryptocurrency called "Rune" in the real world.

NO: "Your order comes to 4 Boolberries, ma'am."
YES: "Your order comes to 4 Runes, ma'am."


We all know what berries are, even as we know there are many exotic kinds of them we've never heard of but which are probably delicious and wonderful.  Cloudberries?!  Why yes, I'd love to try those!

Trading berries for something else of value is the most natural thing in the world.  Even monkeys can be taught to save/gamble/prostitute in a sweet-snack based economy.

http://www.stevegillman.com/monkey-prostitution.html

Runes are mysterious glyphs, which is itself a fact relegated to geeks.  Who wrote them?  What do they mean?  Was it Vikings or Phoenicians or survivors of Atlantis?

You don't trade runes for shit.  They just sit there on rocks, being enigmatic.  At most, nerds use runes in League of Legends to enhance/specialize video game characters.

Berries are fungible, runes are not.


It's obvious which is the better name (hint: the one that's already working).  Hint 2: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist

Also, your revulsion of "Rune" due to your subjective association of it with D&D and neckbeards says more about you than it does about the name itself.

This is an association that will haunt the coin for the rest of it's life.

I just don't think most people would associate runes with that stuff. All of us here are "in the know" about nerdy things.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500

Also, your revulsion of "Rune" due to your subjective association of it with D&D and neckbeards says more about you than it does about the name itself.

This is an association that will haunt the coin for the rest of it's life.
hero member
Activity: 605
Merit: 500
Boolberry is perfect, I've said so from day one, it works brilliantly for google, is unique and friendly.

This was settled ages ago, leave it alone.

RUNE ?

For fucks sake, that's appalling.


IKR.  FFS, CZ...

"Rune?"  As in D&D RPG nerd BS "Rune? " Let's just change the name to NeckBeardCoin instead.  At least that will come up in google.   Angry

We have a cool name and nifty logo that normal people will like.  Why change it to something black metal loving hentai fapping pizza face basement dwellers prefer? 

Vortex is even worse and already taken by a shitcoin.  And other one is beyond atrocious.  Devs should never be allowed anywhere remotely near branding and marketing!

If CZ wants to use his Benevolent Dictator power to simply change Boolberry to Rune by executive fiat, that's fine.  It's his coin.

But it is not OK create a sham vote to put a fig leaf of fake democracy over the decision.  That's what the Soviet Union did while pretending to be a republic instead of a dictatorship.  Sure you could vote (it was compulsory) but all the candidates were from the same Commie Party!   Grin

The correct way:
1.  Poll to decide on A) Keep or B) Change name.
2.  If 'Change' wins, hold poll to decide on top two candidates for new name.
3.  Hold a run-off between top two choices.

The incorrect way:
1. Don't ask if we want to keep or change the name.
2. Put up a preselected slate of craptastic names.
3. Pretend the preordained change to Rune was done with the consent of the community.

As a large hloder of BBR, this Potemkin Vote is the first and only thing that I've disliked in the history of the coin.

Bad move CZ.  BBR is too established for a rebrand and it's a great name anyways.

At least spell it 'Roon' so it's unique and looks more like Moon.   Tongue

Pretty much this.

Rune is the least terrible of the 3 yet far worse than our beloved Boolberry. Whatever, this is clearly falling on deaf ears.
hero member
Activity: 658
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I like "Rune". It's simple, easy to remember, and relatively easy to market. Also, I can imagine people actually using a cryptocurrency called "Rune" in the real world.

NO: "Your order comes to 4 Boolberries, ma'am."
YES: "Your order comes to 4 Runes, ma'am."


Google search:

RUNE = 11 million results.

Boolberry 32,400 - 95% relevant.
legendary
Activity: 2646
Merit: 2842
Shitcoin Minimalist
I like "Rune". It's simple, easy to remember, and relatively easy to market. Also, I can imagine people actually using a cryptocurrency called "Rune" in the real world.

NO: "Your order comes to 4 Boolberries, ma'am."
YES: "Your order comes to 4 Runes, ma'am."

Also, your revulsion of "Rune" due to your subjective association of it with D&D and neckbeards says more about you than it does about the name itself.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
Lol, NeckBeardCoin, that would probably get voted in......  Roll Eyes

It good just to have a coin name that doesn't end in "coin" - separates us from wankcoin and all the other bullshit coins out there.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Boolberry is perfect, I've said so from day one, it works brilliantly for google, is unique and friendly.

This was settled ages ago, leave it alone.

RUNE ?

For fucks sake, that's appalling.


IKR.  FFS, CZ...

"Rune?"  As in D&D RPG nerd BS "Rune? " Let's just change the name to NeckBeardCoin instead.  At least that will come up in google.   Angry

We have a cool name and nifty logo that normal people will like.  Why change it to something black metal loving hentai fapping pizza face basement dwellers prefer? 

Vortex is even worse and already taken by a shitcoin.  And other one is beyond atrocious.  Devs should never be allowed anywhere remotely near branding and marketing!

If CZ wants to use his Benevolent Dictator power to simply change Boolberry to Rune by executive fiat, that's fine.  It's his coin.

But it is not OK create a sham vote to put a fig leaf of fake democracy over the decision.  That's what the Soviet Union did while pretending to be a republic instead of a dictatorship.  Sure you could vote (it was compulsory) but all the candidates were from the same Commie Party!   Grin

The correct way:
1.  Poll to decide on A) Keep or B) Change name.
2.  If 'Change' wins, hold poll to decide on top two candidates for new name.
3.  Hold a run-off between top two choices.

The incorrect way:
1. Don't ask if we want to keep or change the name.
2. Put up a preselected slate of craptastic names.
3. Pretend the preordained change to Rune was done with the consent of the community.

As a large hloder of BBR, this Potemkin Vote is the first and only thing that I've disliked in the history of the coin.

Bad move CZ.  BBR is too established for a rebrand and it's a great name anyways.

At least spell it 'Roon' so it's unique and looks more like Moon.   Tongue
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Hard to say, we just hope that new name and brand will help technology to spread wider.





How does changing a name help in this regard? If I find some shit and call it gold, is it not still shit?

Zoidberg, we've been here before - I implore you not to change the branding and just concentrate on the tech.
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LOL... I find the whole name conversation boggling...

When I talk to (lay) people about Crypto, which is a lot, the quantum leap is to get them to think about transacting in anything that isn't fiat. It all seems strange and alien.

Once you get them to do that, and they 'kind-of-get-the-whole-Bitcoin-thing' - they automatically get the benefit of coins that cater for truly anonymous transactions.

The last thing we talk about is the name of anon coins... by that point, they are so far outside their normal spectrum of thinking, that you could call the coin (just about) anything you care to imagine.

They want to know what's the best coin(s). When I mention Boolberry (and I live in an English speaking country), they don't bat an eyelid.

The technology will stand on whether it delivers anonymity and whether it's secure. Then whether its fast and it's usable. Deliver that, you can call the coin pretty much what you wish (within reason  Wink ).

People are far more inspired when I draw analogies between the talent of CZ and that of a Steve Jobs or a Bill Gates. When I tell them, imagine if they had an opportunity to invest in a Microsoft or an Apple in the first few months of it's inception? Wouldn't they wish they took that opportunity?

They don't stop me mid sentence and say... "what did you say the name of that coin is again... couldn't possibly invest or transact in something called that!..."

So Rune or Boolberry, same difference. Just my experience on the ground...


   

I pretty much agree with your whole post, except Rune and Boolberry is not the same difference.

Boolberry is unique and has no connotations with sci-fi, mysticism or any other geek/hippy shit that automatically renders something as a bit of a joke.
hero member
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We have a VERY clear direction moving forward. The rebranding is the first step in that direction.

Its great that you were a fan of BoolBerry, but the name was been ridiculed in english-first language regions since its inception. The conotations of both "bool" and "berry" are cartoonish in english-first language regions. 

Although "bool" has a meaningful technological aspect the pronounciation of it, especially when couple with "berry" left it sounding, to be quite honest, silly.

Although it might not seem fair, having a name that is brandable in English, first and foremost, is a very important consideration.




First i want the best for Boolberry and if the re-branding will help, then i will advocate it.
By my self i like the name Boolberry, but i´m not a English-first language speaker.

How i understand you would the re-branding have only a positive effect to the english-first language regions. What do you assume how big the effect will be, and will be it worth to re-brand it for this?
Do you estimate that it will be a bigger potential first-english language user base as non-english-first language user base ?


Hard to say, we just hope that new name and brand will help technology to spread wider.



sr. member
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Is it still profitable to mine?

Not for AMD cards if your electricity price is over $0.1/kWh.
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