Topic: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC - page 3. (Read 3859 times)

This is your opinion. I see nothing criminal is that. Not everybody uses crypto nowadays. That WAS NOT my btc deposited to betcoin.ag, that was KillyPG's btc, as i owed it to him

You understand that this comes across as very suspicious, don't you? It could be a direct reason as proof you're using the same accounts, or a conspiracy.
That was a stupid move, I can't blame Betcoin for acting like that after reading this.


Especially when reading the 1st point, should be already enough evidence. Because there is now officially proof that both accounts are playing from the same wallet.

OK, here it goes.

So, concerning KillyPG account, Betcoin.ag claims that i was opened and operated my me.

This accusation is supported by only two facts:

1. The deposit to KillyPG account was made from the same btc wallet address as one of the deposits to my account
2. They claim that the betting pattern of KillyPG is the same as my betting patter (that is we took the same bets in order to "abuse their system by circumventing the betting limits")

THERE IS NOTHING ELSE that they have, that can support their claim that it was me who opened and operated the KillyPG account. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT NOW, as i have been in the mediation case with SBR and was presented with all the facts and accusations that betcoin.ag have.

There is nothing else to connect the account with me. We are different people in different countries. KillyPG did not break any rules, he did not use any VPNs and his country Montenegro is perfectly allowed on betcoin.ag platform.

SO THAT IS IT. ALL THE ACCUSATIONS ARE BASED ON TWO CLAIMS ABOVE.


Remember that now we are only concerned with the KillyPG account. My account is out of the question now, the fact that i have used VPNs and other stuff is not relevant anymore, because the case of my account is closed and i did get my money in full back.

Betcoin.ag refused to pay KillyPG's winning from his account, accusing him of the two things above.

Now i did admit the #1 claim in my very first post and still consider that there was nothing wrong with this fact. KillyPG is not a crypto user and as i have owed him money - he simply asked me to pay him back via depositing to his betcoin.ag account, as he did not even have a btc wallet to use.

Now the interesting part about the "fact #2" is that I (and other forum users) have been asking betcoin.ag rep to provide in this topic the list of all the bets i took and the bets KillyPG took for all of us to see, HOW WE HAVE BEEN "abusing their system by circumventing the betting limits". Remember, betcoin.ag claims that i have opened this extra KillyPG account for this very exact reason.

So I have been asking betcoin.ag to provide this info here (KillyPG also authorized them to disclose his bets here) for weeks, but they ALWAYS REFUSED TO DO IT.

I mean WHY WOULD THEY NOT WANT TO DO IT? It woud "certainly" prove their point

I have been saying all along, that they would not do it simply because anybody with a brain cell would right away see that the two accounts are operated by different people (bettors with different betting patterns, different styles and different bets).

I have also asked the SBR mediator to request this info from betcoin.ag, but he did not do it also, as he felt i should get my money back regardless and he did not go into those details.

So betcoing.ag would not release the bet lists as they knew it would prove i am not connected to the KillyPG account. Thats was a nice situation for them

Fortunately for KillyPG, when betcoin.ag was forced to pay back my money (and KillyPG also), they did it by reopening accounts for the purpose of withdrawing. When i logged in i saw that i could copy all the information from the account and i advised KillyPG to do the same.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE FULL BET LISTS OF BOTH ACCOUNTS

1. My bad about the rating. I did realize that it is still there only today. But now i have no reason to remove it. But i do apologize that i did not remove it initially (i am new to the forum, and betcoin rep did not request me to do that).

2. Yes, i am banging the drums. They are calling me a scammer, which i am not. They are threatening my business. I HAVE THE RIGHT to defend myself and will do so for as long as i can.

3. "If SBR confirmed that you were multi accounts" - i did not get this impression from my business with the SBR mediator. He was always on my side from the start.

4. I am lucky in the sense that i got my money back (even though i have LOST in my account). But i am extremely unlucky to be called a scammer now and to have my tipster business in a very very big jeopardy.

Interestingly enough, you are now banging the drum again, going back to making threats. Not to mention, you claimed this case to be solved and you did lock the thread yet you kept the negative trust on Betcoins profile.

If SBR confirmed that you were multi accounts (feel free to refute what betcoin shared if you want, with evidence), I think you "both" should consider yourselves lucky to even get some of the money back. As this story continues to not make sense.

i am not zikzik, but you think i should let them steal about 8000 USD from me?

Jesus christ zikzik.

SBR provided judgement for the second account without even talking to the account owner?


JUST TO CLARIFY EVERYBODY

In my dealings with the SBR representative this is not the impression i got - he didnt conclude i had two accounts. He simply made what was necessary for me to get my money back. He did not even go into the bets details (one of the arguments betcoin.ag had was the same bets), as he felt that was not needed to successfully resolve my case = GET MY MONEY BACK

I WANT TO STATE ONE MORE TIME
and now betcoin.ag its up to you to decide - IF you still claim that i am a scammer (had two accounts), i will do all in my power to prove otherwise. PROVE TO THE PUBLIC this time to start with. I have now all the facts, all the info needed to show your wrongdoings. SBR representative did what was needed to get my money back. But he did not get into the details as it was NOT needed to successfully resolve the case. But because you are threatening my business now, I WILL NOT LET IT GO.

Now the situation for me is much better. I got my money back. I can now focus without emotion on all the facts. You can still make it right and admit your mistake (as i did admit mine - using a VPN). Just a friendly advice - dont be so sure about the outcome of this situation. You have already paid me 1.1 BTC, but you still owe the other user his 0.5 BTC (i dont know the exact number). This time i have the list of all the bets i took and the other user confirmed to me that he has his also. This is the exact information you desperately tried to hide for the past months. Now it will be public and your reputation will take ANOTHER hit.

You can still make it right. Admit your mistake.

Hello, we have resolved this matter per SBR's recommendation.

As this was a case of multi-accounting, when we submitted the evidence to SBR, it was for both accounts, and they provided judgement in both matters.

As stated by the mediator:
"I'd suggest just the deposit then. Same for both accounts really. Lesser of balance or deposits."

Because of this, the account zik013 received his account balance, which was less than the total of deposits.
The account KillyPG received his deposit, which was less than the account balance.

We have abided in full by the mediator's judgement and are happy to put this matter to rest.

UNFORTUNATELLY
i had to reopen this thread, and reinstate the old name of SCAM

there has been new developments in the other person's thread and basically betcoin.ag is STILL calling me a scammer with multiaccounts (even after they paid me all my money in full).

My reputation and my business is in danger now. As my paying subscriber (he pays me to be able to listen to my bet recommendations) got his won money stolen by betcoin.ag BECAUSE he was following my bets (betting them in betcoin.ag, and i was also betting those bets there obviously).

After the whole mediation case guy i have much more information now. All that info that myself and fellow forum members have asked betcoin.ag numerous times to show here (and betcoing.ag never did) - I HAVE NOW.

In the coming days i will lay out all the facts and you will see how many times Betcoin.ag HAS LIED (even to the SBR mediator).

I will finally show you all the bets i took (and will ask the other account owner to show his bets also) and you will see that the claims betcoin.ag makes are really laughable.

My reputation and business is on the line and I WILL NOT LET IT GO.

Through a SBR mediator i had a deal with Betcoin.ag that they will return ALL MY MONEY IN FULL and i will close this thread, write a nice message for them to look good, ETC.

And my case was close, i did all i promise.

BUT, SBR or betcoin.ag NEVER even contacted the other person and just confiscated his won money. Now i am to blame for it. My tipping business is to blame for it. Betcoin says i am a scammer and I WILL NOT LET IT GO.


now i of course have an obligation to my 10000+ subscribers to notify them that betting the bets i recommend can lead to the their money stolen. Betcoin.ag has put me in a very bad situation and I FEEL THAT MY DEAL WITH THEM IS OFF.

I have now received the full outstanding balance of my account to my BTC wallet. As far as i am concerned, my case is closed and solved with the help of SBR and betcoin security team



i cant answer this question, as, as i have stated many times before, i have no affiliation with that person (apart from him being a subscriber to my tips service). But, if you are interested, you can follow his case at his thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-scam-confiscated-around-05-btc-from-a-winning-account-5285526


I am closing this thread and changing the name to SOLVED.

you where not updating on the outcome of the case. so it looked like the mediators where not responding to messages. when u involve the community, you should update as messages are received

i am so happy this was resolved to your favor. i will edit my post about them once you confirm you got your withdrawal

i was able to login to my account at betcoin.ag and submit the withdrawal request.
Ill update here once my 1.14 BTC is received ...

Good to see that you have got your fund back and (Betcoin.ag) made professional response from their end. Its a sign that they are providing good service after getting under new ownership. I always suggest people to keep patience which can bring positive results for them. Your post was made on october 26 and now its already been 1 month+.

You can just keep the single word "SOLVED" in your topic title and delete rest of the part.

Thank you for sharing your updates.
 

Well, this is exemplary!

Thank you for the update, zikzik.  It is actually one of the best posts that I have read on this forum in awhile.


If only everyone were so introspective.  :-/

As you understand, there are people who deal with scammers every day.  They are accustomed to being told lies and excuses.  A betting man knows the odds of your story being true.

On the flipside, I understand that playing the odds can lose.  That is why I would never bet on guilt, or presume guilt in one of these cases; and it is why, although I went a bit hard on you in places, I always sincerely emphasized that if you are innocent, I hope that you get your money back!

If an innocent party only looks suspicious due to happenstance, the result can be much frustration on both sides.  Judiciousness is uncommon to human nature.  People tend to lose perspective to their own biases, and thereupon jump to conclusions:  On one side, “This guy is guilty and lying!”  On the other side, “This site is a scam!”

Most notable is your above self-reflection on emotional reactions, and your understanding of the other party’s position.  It is honourable of you.  And meritorious.  Cheers.

Since you asked about “merit” before, I will note:  Because I do not have “merit source” privileges, I must earn 2x as much merit as I can send to others.  I am a bit low right now on sendable merit (sMerit), and trying to conserve it.  I will therefore send you +2 now, your first forum merit—and maybe a bit more after the case is fully concluded with funds in your wallet.  I rarely send more than +1 at a time.

Now that you have at least 1 merit, when the server slowly updates its rankings, you will see your forum rank change from “Newbie” to “Jr. Member” due to ≥30 activity.  It is not important; merit and ranks are excessively important only to people either who have no lives, or who are only here to grub for money with paid signatures and other bounties.  The merit system was introduced in an attempt to reduce forum spam from idiots who only post to show paid advertisements in their signatures, where paid advertising is allowed.  As you will note, I do not have any paid advertisement in my signature beneath this post.  —I just want to let you know how things work here.


I look forward to your update when you have received your funds.

Without knowing the details (and I do not assume you know, either), I wonder if this also means that the other related case will be resolved similarly.

You should know that I have been watching this thread carefully—as, no doubt, have many others.  For my part, if I didn’t always reply to you, it is only because I didn’t want to spam the thread with unnecessarily repetitious posts.  Here’s to a happy conclusion!

So you have received the 1 BTC from your betcoin.ag account?

I am happy to report, that after the mediation process (which was advised by the betcoin.ag representative from the very beginning) by the SBR (https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/) a resolution has been made to this case and my funds are to be released.

As i have stated several times in my original post, this case was very far from easy from the very start. The moment i have signed up on Betcoin.ag website, i have already broke their terms and conditions, which unfortunately i did not read prior.

I have used the VPNs and as such my whole activity of course became suspicious to betcoin.ag security team.

A bit later, when my btc wallet was used to make a deposit to a different account, my activity had to be investigated further. This action by the betcoin.ag security team is of course justifiable, especially since they found out right away that the other account in question had some similar bets with my account (due to me being a tipster - a person, whose bets are followed by other bettors).

So all facts considered, i do understand that the activity of my account was suspicious to betcoin.ag and the investigation to follow was justifiable.

I am just happy that right away (in their initial response to my emails) betcoin.ag advised me to seek the mediation from the SBR.

Being a very emotional person, my first intention was to fight in public before any mediation. Well, it turns out, that all i had to do is wait for the SBR and betcoin.ag to investigate the case further.

Now i am happy that with the help of SBR and betcoin.ag security team we were able to come to an amicable solution where your account balance is released back to me.

I want to thank all the parties involved, and of course the BitCoinTalk community.

sorry man, i really dont understand your point yet ...
why would they want me to wait for the result? and why is it bad for me?

you are actually waiting for the result of this . which is what they want you to do lol