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legendary
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However, there are casinos that set their live support with automatic chat for the initial conversation so sometimes this is annoying because you have to go through all the automatic chats before finally connecting directly with the agent, and it cannot be denied that the agent is actually the right one to ask not only when there are problems they must be contacted but also when there are doubts about the T&C and other things at the casino.

I hate that actually. I don't know if there will be a day in the future when an AI agent will be indistinguishable from a human being and therefore able to solve what you want just as well or better, but at the moment these bots are a waste of time and all they do in most cases is waste your time, as you say, until they pass you on to a human.
Most of the chatbots integrated on the big gambling sites are Intercom. Intercom does AI to an extent but it doesn't give a full-fledged army of bots that automate service requests. AI-Agents should go beyond small talk and basic FAQ terms. For instance, an AI agent should be capable of fetching the full bet history of the customer & investigating a bet if that's what the customer is asking for. There is a huge scope of proper AI agents in this space but not all big ChatBot Automation is heavily utilized in the gambling industry.

Also, a chat-bot created to consume leads or escalate queries is not really an AI agent if it can't take actions as a human would. The goal is to have the human chatters replaced with AI Agents which will be more efficient and cost-effective.
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Deposit bonus must reach 100% percentage to be withdrawable, it is so hard to reach 100% with many locked games that cannot be played. I changed my course to spend all my winnings because many slots I wanted to play were not supported in the deposit bonus feature.

Just a pleasure because it turned $70 into $881 but back to zero when it was difficult to reach 100% in the deposit bonus bar.
yeah, you are risking a lot playing slots with a bonus. even if you win a good $$$ like you did, it's hard to clear it.
how early did you turn your deposit into $881? i'm just curious if you would have been better off if you did not take the 100% bonus and instead played raw.
I did it quickly, when my deposit increased with a deposit bonus then I dared to place a Bet of $1.2 on the pragmatic slot and by running the manual spin or spin it brought me luck because in several rounds I immediately got a scatter with a decent payout.

With that I tried to check the deposit profile bar, it turned out to be very far from reaching 100%. That way I quickly raised my bet to be bigger to $4. It didn't feel so fast the balance became zero but it didn't matter because I was just looking for fun at that time, for that I will be more careful or more careful in reading the rules if I want to use the deposit bonus.
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To be honest with you, I don't think we will ever arrive at that stage or time when Ai or Ai agent will be indistinguishable from human beings, and this is because if you take a careful look at things around us today, nothing made by man has been able to meet up to the standard of what God himself made, a man creating something that meets up to the exact standard of what God himself made is a kind of a slap in His face.
you are clearly not keeping up with the current developments, there are already models that have outperformed humans on certain tasks like medical diagnosis.
so, it's already happening, and we are only going to see more advanced ones that are better than humans as time goes on.

Casino and other platforms can always use Ai agent to keep a customer in a chat until a real human comes around to respond and solve the issue, this is the most I think Ai agents can be used for.
false, there are already AI agents that can do more than just hold you until a human comes around. have a look at fin2 from intercom for example.
but obviously, complicated support issues will still need a human to look at it, like deposits, cashouts, account locks, etc...
legendary
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To be honest with you, I don't think we will ever arrive at that stage or time when Ai or Ai agent will be indistinguishable from human beings, and this is because if you take a careful look at things around us today, nothing made by man has been able to meet up to the standard of what God himself made, a man creating something that meets up to the exact standard of what God himself made....

We have a fundamental difference in beliefs, and I respect your beliefs, but I am not going to enter into a debate with you over that fundamental difference.

Moderate automation is okay because customers often ask very basic and stupid questions. Companies should have an automated chat which will answer to basic questions but it should be easily possible to access Live Support. There are some chats that make it very hard to access live support and I personally try to avoid such companies. For me, a good customer support means a lot.

For me too. And I understand what you are saying from the company's perspective, but from the user's perspective, when I want to ask a question, I don't ask something simple, which is what the bot usually answers. 99% of the time I have to go to a human.

By the way I had to ask a question and when I tried Betfury support I found that at first they have a bot but then if you ask any more questions they connect you with a human as btcltcdigger said, so a 10 for BetFury support.
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Oh yes live support is the GOAT nowadays. If i see that the site doesn't have 24/7 live customer service, i find the one that does.
Customer service has become one of the best values a company can offer, even if it's stupid stuff like answering questions

A lot of people don't value costumer support but it is key as you will need that at some point if you run into problems. Finding good support people is not easy (is not a job I would do) but I haven't had any problems with the live support on Betfury. In most cases they know what they are talking about and give you quick and clear answers.
No, not people, people value a good customer support but companies don't value them. Many companies outsource customer support in my country for example and people get bad customer support experience because when they outsource CS, companies don't train them well and their employees are uneducated in the field where they work as customer support. For example, I know a person who works in a company that offers CS outsourcing to companies like Asus and this person doesn't know anything about computers and smartphones. Of course, his CS experience will be terrible for the customer.

I hate that actually. I don't know if there will be a day in the future when an AI agent will be indistinguishable from a human being and therefore able to solve what you want just as well or better, but at the moment these bots are a waste of time and all they do in most cases is waste your time, as you say, until they pass you on to a human.
Moderate automation is okay because customers often ask very basic and stupid questions. Companies should have an automated chat which will answer to basic questions but it should be easily possible to access Live Support. There are some chats that make it very hard to access live support and I personally try to avoid such companies. For me, a good customer support means a lot.
legendary
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However, there are casinos that set their live support with automatic chat for the initial conversation so sometimes this is annoying because you have to go through all the automatic chats before finally connecting directly with the agent, and it cannot be denied that the agent is actually the right one to ask not only when there are problems they must be contacted but also when there are doubts about the T&C and other things at the casino.

I hate that actually. I don't know if there will be a day in the future when an AI agent will be indistinguishable from a human being and therefore able to solve what you want just as well or better, but at the moment these bots are a waste of time and all they do in most cases is waste your time, as you say, until they pass you on to a human.
To be honest with you, I don't think we will ever arrive at that stage or time when Ai or Ai agent will be indistinguishable from human beings, and this is because if you take a careful look at things around us today, nothing made by man has been able to meet up to the standard of what God himself made, a man creating something that meets up to the exact standard of what God himself made is a kind of a slap in His face.

So, for me, Ai agents will continue to exists and surely get improved as technology grows and becomes more sophisticated, but will never match up to human agents, humans will continue to be humans and anything other than a human will for ever remain secondary.
Casino and other platforms can always use Ai agent to keep a customer in a chat until a real human comes around to respond and solve the issue, this is the most I think Ai agents can be used for.
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I agree, no reputed casino will flag/ban your account just because there is a VPN involved

For this one you have to be more careful this is a vague statement, maybe you can say this in this casino because they allow it but don't be on another casino. They firmly said they did not allow to play using VPN, I know some people use VPN in almost all casinos safely but when you win something big then they have a reason to refuse payment, this is a fact and I see it in several casinos and you can't do anything when they show points in T&C so it's better to avoid it than having to get caught up in this situation. By the way, even if the admin in this forum says you can use VPN but not written on T&C then the source looks weak.

Really! Sorry for being vague, let me clarify;
I understand the possible implications of VPN usage, and it is not that I am somehow encouraging users to use VPN (though I should be), but I know for sure that many will ask you to use a robust VPN before visiting any site (specially websites where money is involved) for security reasons. Nowadays, if any website is banning you for just VPN usage it is very bad, and we must try to speak our mind instead of showing a conforming attitude.

legendary
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However, there are casinos that set their live support with automatic chat for the initial conversation so sometimes this is annoying because you have to go through all the automatic chats before finally connecting directly with the agent, and it cannot be denied that the agent is actually the right one to ask not only when there are problems they must be contacted but also when there are doubts about the T&C and other things at the casino.

I hate that actually. I don't know if there will be a day in the future when an AI agent will be indistinguishable from a human being and therefore able to solve what you want just as well or better, but at the moment these bots are a waste of time and all they do in most cases is waste your time, as you say, until they pass you on to a human.
legendary
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Oh yes live support is the GOAT nowadays. If i see that the site doesn't have 24/7 live customer service, i find the one that does.
Customer service has become one of the best values a company can offer, even if it's stupid stuff like answering questions

A lot of people don't value costumer support but it is key as you will need that at some point if you run into problems. Finding good support people is not easy (is not a job I would do) but I haven't had any problems with the live support on Betfury. In most cases they know what they are talking about and give you quick and clear answers.
So far I have never used BetFury live support because I have never experienced any problems at the casino, and usually players will only contact live support when there are problems.
However, there are casinos that set their live support with automatic chat for the initial conversation so sometimes this is annoying because you have to go through all the automatic chats before finally connecting directly with the agent, and it cannot be denied that the agent is actually the right one to ask not only when there are problems they must be contacted but also when there are doubts about the T&C and other things at the casino.
sr. member
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Oh yes live support is the GOAT nowadays. If i see that the site doesn't have 24/7 live customer service, i find the one that does.
Customer service has become one of the best values a company can offer, even if it's stupid stuff like answering questions

A lot of people don't value costumer support but it is key as you will need that at some point if you run into problems. Finding good support people is not easy (is not a job I would do) but I haven't had any problems with the live support on Betfury. In most cases they know what they are talking about and give you quick and clear answers.
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Oh yes live support is the GOAT nowadays. If i see that the site doesn't have 24/7 live customer service, i find the one that does.
Customer service has become one of the best values a company can offer, even if it's stupid stuff like answering questions
sr. member
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The good thing about the Betfury customer care is that it is very responsive, and you can quickly get connected to a live agent that will answer any of your questions beyond doubts. After an inquiry about VPN usage, you could further make inquiries into any potential problems that you could get later on in the future from using VPN even though the platform doesn't frown against it so you can get answers personalized enough for you.

In other casinos, I don't know how responsive their agents are when questions are asked in the live chat, but a responsive customer care can solve a lot.
In my opinion this was also life hack for the gambler,
I mostly do that when I want to make a deposit on a casino for knowing about their casino tos about the deposit fund for withdrawal, just make a short-cut question they will answer you in details, Like I ask a question on a casino live support and get the answer without scrolling their TOS and as far as I also know that betfury have also one of the fastest response live support anyone can use this hacks to the betfury as well.
legendary
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You always need to check the terms and conditions and ask livechat to know what the stance is of the casino for VPN usage. I went into livechat a long time ago and I got the clear message that Betfury is not against the usage of a VPN but as Dwayne mentions, potential problems can always pop up later. I have been using a VPN on Betfury for more than a year now and haven't had any problems.
The good thing about the Betfury customer care is that it is very responsive, and you can quickly get connected to a live agent that will answer any of your questions beyond doubts. After an inquiry about VPN usage, you could further make inquiries into any potential problems that you could get later on in the future from using VPN even though the platform doesn't frown against it so you can get answers personalized enough for you.

In other casinos, I don't know how responsive their agents are when questions are asked in the live chat, but a responsive customer care can solve a lot.
sr. member
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But if they are open and I think there are some people doing it without getting compromised then I guess its fine to use this tool. Since I think you will never get any issue with them especially if you don't have any intention to bypass restriction or that multi account usage to abuse their bonuses or other things they offer to their community.

You always need to check the terms and conditions and ask livechat to know what the stance is of the casino for VPN usage. I went into livechat a long time ago and I got the clear message that Betfury is not against the usage of a VPN but as Dwayne mentions, potential problems can always pop up later. I have been using a VPN on Betfury for more than a year now and haven't had any problems.
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You can use VPN for other purposes though.

But even then, i wouldn't count on other players not using those recycled IPs of some VPN services and not getting flagged for using 2 accounts.
Using VPN always contains risk of having troubles with the platform and your account as well as your fund. If you are not cheater, you can prove it and the platform never judge your account as fraud one as they don't only base on VPN usage and IP addresses for conclusion. There are more factors for their investigation before they can come to a conclusion like this, and take serious action with your account. So mostly if casinos are against you, red flag your account, it's nothing good, and chance to appeal successfully is very small.

Yep, a user has a lot of risks when using a VPN, even though betfury is quite loyal to it. Imho if a user decides to use a VPN to access a gambling platform, then at least he should realize all the negative consequences that could potentially arise. Such a user should hold on to the gambling platform only the amount of assets that is not a pity to lose.
By the way, the situation when the account can be flagged as a multi-account due to VPNs can be easily avoided. It is enough to use a personal VPN and rent a VPS rather than using a public VPN.

Maybe it depends if the casino strongly disallowed its usage since with that people should avoid using it since they already have clear words that this is illegal to use in this casino.

But if they are open and I think there are some people doing it without getting compromised then I guess its fine to use this tool. Since I think you will never get any issue with them especially if you don't have any intention to bypass restriction or that multi account usage to abuse their bonuses or other things they offer to their community.
legendary
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You can use VPN for other purposes though.

But even then, i wouldn't count on other players not using those recycled IPs of some VPN services and not getting flagged for using 2 accounts.
Using VPN always contains risk of having troubles with the platform and your account as well as your fund. If you are not cheater, you can prove it and the platform never judge your account as fraud one as they don't only base on VPN usage and IP addresses for conclusion. There are more factors for their investigation before they can come to a conclusion like this, and take serious action with your account. So mostly if casinos are against you, red flag your account, it's nothing good, and chance to appeal successfully is very small.

Yep, a user has a lot of risks when using a VPN, even though betfury is quite loyal to it. Imho if a user decides to use a VPN to access a gambling platform, then at least he should realize all the negative consequences that could potentially arise. Such a user should hold on to the gambling platform only the amount of assets that is not a pity to lose.
By the way, the situation when the account can be flagged as a multi-account due to VPNs can be easily avoided. It is enough to use a personal VPN and rent a VPS rather than using a public VPN.
legendary
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no reputed casino will flag/ban your account just because there is a VPN involved.

Return here when you win a jackpot and try to withdraw your winnings Cheesy That is the moment when all the underwater stone start to appear, and casino will remember you all your vpn sessions, all your logins from various devices, all your deposits and so on. They will do it not because the are evil and try to scam you, but to be 100% sure you played fair and they give winnings to a fair person.

You have to understand no reputed casino will risk its reputation for few thousand bucks (or in some cases for few hundred thousands) which can cost millions in terms of damages.

That is an interesting moment. There are many situations, where gamblers cheat, play fair or semi-fair, create accusation topics, write article in the internet, but casinos still operate like its nothing. I think you are talking about reputational issues, but do those accusations really work like they had to with popular casinos? Like people were gambling there, like they continue to do that.

legendary
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I agree, no reputed casino will flag/ban your account just because there is a VPN involved

For this one you have to be more careful this is a vague statement, maybe you can say this in this casino because they allow it but don't be on another casino. They firmly said they did not allow to play using VPN, I know some people use VPN in almost all casinos safely but when you win something big then they have a reason to refuse payment, this is a fact and I see it in several casinos and you can't do anything when they show points in T&C so it's better to avoid it than having to get caught up in this situation. By the way, even if the admin in this forum says you can use VPN but not written on T&C then the source looks weak.
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platform never judge your account as fraud one as they don't only base on VPN usage and IP addresses for conclusion. There are more factors for their investigation before they can come to a conclusion like this, and take serious action with your account. So mostly if casinos are against you, red flag your account, it's nothing good, and chance to appeal successfully is very small.
I agree, no reputed casino will flag/ban your account just because there is a VPN involved. Most of the cases it is some short of exploit which player is using to gain an edge over house which leads to such scenarios. Casino also look for similar betting patterns and cookies fingerprint as well as connected wallets before initiating such actions.
You have to understand no reputed casino will risk its reputation for few thousand bucks (or in some cases for few hundred thousands) which can cost millions in terms of damages.
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