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Quote from: tranthidung on January 09, 2025, 08:15:46 PM

platform never judge your account as fraud one as they don't only base on VPN usage and IP addresses for conclusion. There are more factors for their investigation before they can come to a conclusion like this, and take serious action with your account. So mostly if casinos are against you, red flag your account, it's nothing good, and chance to appeal successfully is very small.

I agree, no reputed casino will flag/ban your account just because there is a VPN involved. Most of the cases it is some short of exploit which player is using to gain an edge over house which leads to such scenarios. Casino also look for similar betting patterns and cookies fingerprint as well as connected wallets before initiating such actions.
You have to understand no reputed casino will risk its reputation for few thousand bucks (or in some cases for few hundred thousands) which can cost millions in terms of damages.

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Quote from: o48o on January 07, 2025, 09:56:14 AM

You aren't supposed to use VPN to hide your citizenship, (which seems to be ongoing trend, and i assuming you are referring to that with "your jurisdiction"). That's against the terms and conditions section 3.3.

If this intention of VPN usage is to hide real nationality and geolocation that are restricted by the platform, it contains very big risk of account termination later. So at the start, don't use VPN for this shady intention is better.

If people who are from restricted areas, it's best to move on and find another platform, rather than try to do unacceptable VNP usage to cheat the platform, break its ToS.

I don't say that user did it for the purpose, but using VPN for this illustrative example is so risky.

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You can use VPN for other purposes though.

But even then, i wouldn't count on other players not using those recycled IPs of some VPN services and not getting flagged for using 2 accounts.

Using VPN always contains risk of having troubles with the platform and your account as well as your fund. If you are not cheater, you can prove it and the platform never judge your account as fraud one as they don't only base on VPN usage and IP addresses for conclusion. There are more factors for their investigation before they can come to a conclusion like this, and take serious action with your account. So mostly if casinos are against you, red flag your account, it's nothing good, and chance to appeal successfully is very small.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2025, 11:32:37 AM

Quote from: memehunter on January 09, 2025, 07:24:48 AM

Yes geo-blocking must be a prominent feature in every online casino. Lots of unnecessary cases in scam accusation section could have been solved very easily if geo-blocking was there by particular casino. I mean why would any one knowingly want to deposit and play from a region which is restricted.

Geo-blocking from the casino's side is one step. However, a player should still go through the terms and conditions to see if the casino hosts games from a software provider that restricts the player's jurisdiction. Many people forget about that. Since the T&C are long, the easiest way to check is just to open the page, and do a search for your country using CTRL+F. If a particular game or the entire catalogue from a specific game provider is restricted, that's where you will find out about it.

That's correct but also a lot of casinos have mirrors that are technically meant to bypass such restrictions using a VPN. That will never be a problem unless the user is abusing the casinos and is determined to check their IP addresses to see if they've breached their TOS. I don't understand the logic behind this but it's slightly a grey area to bypass the GeoBlock's enforced by the IP/Government.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on January 09, 2025, 02:59:39 PM

A lot of times, gamblers don’t do that. They are often in a hurry to play or take advantage of the bonus offers, they don’t even care to know what terms might accompany the bonus offers but, that’s on them.

I believe that gamblers also suffer from assumption, which is that they assume that the terms and conditions from the former casino that they used to play in will be the same terms and conditions on betfury. It turns out wrong.

If you are new on Betfury, going through the T&C will help you understand better how to avoid issues while using the platform.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 09, 2025, 06:01:42 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 09, 2025, 05:36:04 AM

I think that every casino should have a warning for customers who visit their website from a restricted location since many people don't read the terms.

It's worth noting that the Betfury team has taken care of that. If a user's IP address is from a restricted region, the Betfury site almost immediately displays a pop-up window stating that gambling is denied and that the Betfury site is not available in the user's region. In this case, a user will not even be able to log in to the site.

I can confirm that. Sometimes i use VPN for work, and i display to be in one of the "unwanted" countries.
As soon as i open betfury website, i get greeted with a message saying to go away. Then i facepalm, turn off my vpn, refresh cache and login normally.

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Quote from: Zwei on January 09, 2025, 02:23:22 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2025, 11:32:37 AM

Since the T&C are long, the easiest way to check is just to open the page, and do a search for your country using CTRL+F. If a particular game or the entire catalogue from a specific game provider is restricted, that's where you will find out about it.

that's what i do as well. CTRL+F and search for specific keywords like KYC, countries, restricted, VPN, withdrawal, limit, etc... to find the important parts.

I think those are the key aspects to look at on the T&C as they are the ones that can affect you the most. A lot of times, gamblers don’t do that. They are often in a hurry to play or take advantage of the bonus offers, they don’t even care to know what terms might accompany the bonus offers but, that’s on them. The casinos or sportsbook will always be sure to get their fingers on that which is within its T&C.

Reading the entire thing is always a difficult choice but then, having to look at those aspects that could affect you is the main idea here.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on January 08, 2025, 06:14:59 PM

What’s the point in gambling if you can’t withdraw?
There is the fact that, a couple of users gamble for the fun of it but, that fun quickly diminishes if you eventually win and you’re not allowed to withdraw your winnings. It’s a whole different ball game when it’s a loss but, in the event of a win, you would want to be able to withdraw that wins.

That’s where not sticking to T&C comes in. Mind you, the terms is to protect not just the individual but the casino or bookie and its operations as well. If the T&C clearly prohibits gambling within a zone based on jurisdiction, then it’s always best to look for alternatives. There isn’t any need for accessing with VPN if, your interested in withdrawing your wins.

There is no point when you will not able to withdraw from a casino.
And that is why even if you saw in a casino that they were VPN's friendly you should must check their terms and conditions before making any deposit in their website. Like here we know betfury is an VPN friendly casino but they also some restrictions for some country.

So that I highly suggest to for in every cases must check the TOS and if we were lazy and then we can just go through with the shortcut like Zwei mentions that press CTRL+F and search for specific keywords.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2025, 11:32:37 AM

Since the T&C are long, the easiest way to check is just to open the page, and do a search for your country using CTRL+F. If a particular game or the entire catalogue from a specific game provider is restricted, that's where you will find out about it.

that's what i do as well. CTRL+F and search for specific keywords like KYC, countries, restricted, VPN, withdrawal, limit, etc... to find the important parts.
but every player should 100% read through the full terms if they plan to deposit and play regularly at any casino, since saying "i didn't know" won't help if you violate a term you were not aware of.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 08, 2025, 04:39:35 AM

There is a question that I cant get rid off, dont you guys think that x40 wagering on bonus is way to much?

There are always 2 point of views about wagering requirement, first is from player pov and the second one is ofc from the casino pov.
For player, x40 wagering requirement is so high wagering requirement although for the casino, it can be said as the standard wagering requirement for bonus.
Most bonuses comes with 30-50x wagering requirement so basically 40x can be said as so-so because it is in the middle of the range of standard wagering requirement.
The most important thing is that once we take bonus, we are ready for all the terms so we wont complain later.

I agree, while a x40 wagering requirement is high, it is pretty standard for most casinos nowadays. Lowering the wagering requirement would be nice but even wagering x30 is only possible with a lot of luck. Most of the times, I get only around x8 or x10 if I do bonuses like this.

I've done completing wagering requirement of bonuses few times in my whole gambling journey (more than 10 years) but in overall statistic is like 1 to 10 or even more so the luck is the main factor.
Early big win after taking bonus will make us easier to complete wagering requirement because we have more balance to do more bets/spins till we complete the wagering requirement.
In some cases, players are not even making profit after they completed the wagering requirement so there is no guarantee of profit even after we can complete the wagering requirement.

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Quote from: memehunter on January 09, 2025, 07:24:48 AM

Yes geo-blocking must be a prominent feature in every online casino. Lots of unnecessary cases in scam accusation section could have been solved very easily if geo-blocking was there by particular casino. I mean why would any one knowingly want to deposit and play from a region which is restricted.

Geo-blocking from the casino's side is one step. However, a player should still go through the terms and conditions to see if the casino hosts games from a software provider that restricts the player's jurisdiction. Many people forget about that. Since the T&C are long, the easiest way to check is just to open the page, and do a search for your country using CTRL+F. If a particular game or the entire catalogue from a specific game provider is restricted, that's where you will find out about it.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 09, 2025, 06:01:42 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 09, 2025, 05:36:04 AM

I think that every casino should have a warning for customers who visit their website from a restricted location since many people don't read the terms.

It's worth noting that the Betfury team has taken care of that. If a user's IP address is from a restricted region, the Betfury site almost immediately displays a pop-up window stating that gambling is denied and that the Betfury site is not available in the user's region. In this case, a user will not even be able to log in to the site.

But we know that people are still curious with the prohibition from the site. They can use many ways to visit the site and even they will use VPN but that should not necessary because somehow, Betfury will know that they are come from restricted region.

They should not force themselves to visit Betfury if that is happen to them. They just invite the problem to them and they will regret if something bad happen to them because of their mistake. They should know that the restricted region list is to prevent a user to abuse the system so they will not get a problem. But we can not hold them if they still insist to use Betfury but they must responsible for anything that can happen.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 09, 2025, 06:01:42 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 09, 2025, 05:36:04 AM

I think that every casino should have a warning for customers who visit their website from a restricted location since many people don't read the terms.

It's worth noting that the Betfury team has taken care of that. If a user's IP address is from a restricted region, the Betfury site almost immediately displays a pop-up window stating that gambling is denied and that the Betfury site is not available in the user's region. In this case, a user will not even be able to log in to the site.

Yes geo-blocking must be a prominent feature in every online casino. Lots of unnecessary cases in scam accusation section could have been solved very easily if geo-blocking was there by particular casino. I mean why would any one knowingly want to deposit and play from a region which is restricted.
Having said hat I also understand there are few bad actors as well on both sides.
Good to know that BetFury has such features of a credible online casino. It also shows their sincerity towards players unlike majority of other casinos who just treat their players as money bag and look for every possible exploit to avoid cash outs.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2025, 04:14:48 AM

Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

I never understood it either. It's not just an issue when a player from a restricted jurisdiction creates an account, trying to trick the casino about where they are from, but there are also players who return to casinos they were previously banned from who want to play there again with alt accounts. The most logical and easiest assumption is bonus abuse. They like their chances of getting free money and hope the casinos won't notice. Except bonuses, they might also like certain features that are not available in that form elsewhere.

Maybe because they feel comfortable on the casino which they usually play and they already familiarized the platform that's why they like to stay. The problem is they are already got an issue their and once the management find out that these people still there provably that they might compromised again. That's why its better not to push their selves to gamble back on the platform which they know they are restricted to access for whatever reason since they might really get a big issue there.

This is why its important to read the rules so that they know what things need to do and avoid so this kind of issue will never happen. Bonus abuse is forbidden and people should not think about doing it since they cannot trick the casino for long time since everything abuse they do will be busted then their funds might get compromise. Better not to do anything against on their rule so that people could gamble without getting any problems.

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Quote from: shield132 on January 09, 2025, 05:36:04 AM

I think that every casino should have a warning for customers who visit their website from a restricted location since many people don't read the terms.

It's worth noting that the Betfury team has taken care of that. If a user's IP address is from a restricted region, the Betfury site almost immediately displays a pop-up window stating that gambling is denied and that the Betfury site is not available in the user's region. In this case, a user will not even be able to log in to the site.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Quote from: |MINER| on January 08, 2025, 03:37:46 PM

I will also not deny your concern here. Suppose you are a citizen of those countries where betfury restricted their service and that case if user try to use VPN for registering on betfury and once for any kind of reason betfury also have the right to asking him kyc verification and on that time may be that user can in trouble with his money, IMO. Roll Eyes

But I guess if there is small amount shouldn't have to face the issues Tongue

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

Many people don't read the terms and conditions, they register on any casino that appears in their search engine or see a good advertisement on the website. They later discover that casinos are banned in their country. I think that every casino should have a warning for customers who visit their website from a restricted location since many people don't read the terms.
Some people intentionally register at a casino. They know that they might get banned but they still want to gamble and risk it anyway. They either succeed or they'll get caught. Btw when you are from a restricted location but gamble with a small amount of money, you don't attract their attention but you manage to successfully fulfil your gambling habit. It becomes a problem when you win a jackpot or start gambling with a big amount of money. Btw I know many people who use their friend's ID and VPN from that location to gamble without problems, in this case, there isn't much that casinos can do.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

I never understood it either. It's not just an issue when a player from a restricted jurisdiction creates an account, trying to trick the casino about where they are from, but there are also players who return to casinos they were previously banned from who want to play there again with alt accounts. The most logical and easiest assumption is bonus abuse. They like their chances of getting free money and hope the casinos won't notice. Except bonuses, they might also like certain features that are not available in that form elsewhere.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on January 08, 2025, 06:14:59 PM

Quote from: |MINER| on January 08, 2025, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

Yeap, that's also a point, No one will forcefully use a service but it can be possible people get attracted. Like somethings gamblers also get attracted to their promotions & bonuses and on that can it can also be happened that the person mistakenly missed the terms & conditions but only saw that word VPN friendly then they could take the step and also face the issues.

Although, in general view, no one could blame to a casino for that.

What’s the point in gambling if you can’t withdraw?

In the case of BetFury you cannot bet without lying, because in order to bet you have to fill in your full name and where you live, and if you live in a country from where it is forbidden to bet you only have two options, either to lie or not to fill in the data. So in this case you can't come in as surprised if you are caught trying to withdraw and you can't because you live in a restricted country.

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Quote from: |MINER| on January 08, 2025, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

Yeap, that's also a point, No one will forcefully use a service but it can be possible people get attracted. Like somethings gamblers also get attracted to their promotions & bonuses and on that can it can also be happened that the person mistakenly missed the terms & conditions but only saw that word VPN friendly then they could take the step and also face the issues.

Although, in general view, no one could blame to a casino for that.

What’s the point in gambling if you can’t withdraw?
There is the fact that, a couple of users gamble for the fun of it but, that fun quickly diminishes if you eventually win and you’re not allowed to withdraw your winnings. It’s a whole different ball game when it’s a loss but, in the event of a win, you would want to be able to withdraw that wins.

That’s where not sticking to T&C comes in. Mind you, the terms is to protect not just the individual but the casino or bookie and its operations as well. If the T&C clearly prohibits gambling within a zone based on jurisdiction, then it’s always best to look for alternatives. There isn’t any need for accessing with VPN if, your interested in withdrawing your wins.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 08, 2025, 04:41:21 PM

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

Yeap, that's also a point, No one will forcefully use a service but it can be possible people get attracted. Like somethings gamblers also get attracted to their promotions & bonuses and on that can it can also be happened that the person mistakenly missed the terms & conditions but only saw that word VPN friendly then they could take the step and also face the issues.

Although, in general view, no one could blame to a casino for that.

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Quote from: |MINER| on January 08, 2025, 03:37:46 PM

I will also not deny your concern here. Suppose you are a citizen of those countries where betfury restricted their service and that case if user try to use VPN for registering on betfury and once for any kind of reason betfury also have the right to asking him kyc verification and on that time may be that user can in trouble with his money, IMO. Roll Eyes

But I guess if there is small amount shouldn't have to face the issues Tongue

Why would anyone forcefully use a service (register and deposit) even the service clearly states that they do not need citizens from a certain Jurisdiction. It clearly makes no sense and I would not blame the service or casino for blocking their account including the winnings.

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